Dwayne Carter Out for the Season

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

I was thinking about the past three years and see it different. 
 

2025

Hairston is hurt and who knows when he will contribute. Sanders and Jackson may get rotational snaps. 
2024

Coleman and Bishop are both fringe starters. They don’t progress this year and both could be upgraded next season. Carter is out for the year and was fighting to see the field anyway. 
2023 

Torrence is the best pick of these years in terms of being a legit starter. Kincaid has not been anywhere close to what he was expected to be. Williams is just a jag. 
 

My point was this is a Super Bowl favorite and not one of these picks from the last three years has been a home run or even a triple. Mostly single and doubles. Maybe Kincaid or Coleman break out this year. A legit start would be make this team that much more scary. 

We need at least 1 HR and 1 triple. Preferably on defense. Not every 1-3 round pick by Beane has been bad. But if Coleman and Kincaid don't improve this year, you're going to see some legitimate complaints against Brandon. 

[JaCrispy]

Now entering bust status

[uticaclub]

1 hour ago, bearstobills said:

You hold him in higher regard.  I believe ESPN just ranked Burrow as the #1 QB in the NFL.  I think he'd be just fine with Coleman and Kincaid.  You speak as if both Coleman and Kincaid are bad players.  I have high hopes for both.

Not bad players but also not Chase & Higgins

[mannc]

1 hour ago, bearstobills said:

ngbills was talking about the first 3 rounds.  Beane  has to be one of the best day 3 drafters out there.  That's where he got Taron Johnson, Christian Benford, Khalil Shakir, Ray Davis, Tylan Grabel, Wyatt Teller, SVP, Javon Solomon, Gabe Davis.  And look out for Hancock, Deone Walker, Dorian Strong, Jackson Hawes, etc.

 

In no way am I arguing that he doesn't have his misses.  He does.  But, and this is a tough one to grasp, two things can be true simultaneously.  1.) Beane has continually displayed a good eye for talent across the draft, free agency, and in trades.  AND 2.) He's made some missteps along the way that he'd like to have back.

 

But there's one thing we can't argue; The Bills have a top 3 record in the NFL since he took over.  And don't give me the "It's all Josh Allen" crap.  If that were the case Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert would be in the playoffs every year.  And both of those teams struggle.  

I used to think this was an average or below roster bolstered by a superstar QB, but I no longer think that.  There might not be a lot of stars outside of Josh Allen, but it’s a very solid roster.  The offensive line is probably the best the Bills have ever had, top to bottom, and I suspect even if Josh missed 5 or 6 games, the team could easily go .500 or better.  Key defensive injuries every year have prevented us from getting to the Super Bowl…

Edited September 1 by mannc

[oldmanfan]

1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

I think we know what he was - a bust. He failed to even flash potential.

He was hurt last year.  Now hurt again this year.  Injuries deflect from performance.

[dcinmuncie]

This makes the Jordan Phillips signing make sense 

 

they clearly knew a few days ago 

 

 

edit; sorry it seems I was wrong 

 

the injury was Wednesday after the signing it appears 

Edited September 1 by dcinmuncie

[Beck Water]

21 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Hmmm. Odd timing. He is meh anyway. Way not to cut him?

 

You can't cut an injured player. I'm pretty sure you know this.

At best, you release him with an injury settlement, and since the RTP for an Achilles tear is 9 to 12 months, no player is going to accept a settlement less than the entire season.  You get the roster spot whether he's IR or released, and you owe the full salary, so why not go for the better optics and keep him?

My guess would be he was working through something and that's why he looked so bad in pre-season, and either it got worse, or after long enough of not getting better they told him he had to get more tests.

Wishing him the best and a good recovery.

 

 

[NoSaint]

4 hours ago, ngbills said:

I was thinking about the past three years and see it different. 
 

2025

Hairston is hurt and who knows when he will contribute. Sanders and Jackson may get rotational snaps. 
2024

Coleman and Bishop are both fringe starters. They don’t progress this year and both could be upgraded next season. Carter is out for the year and was fighting to see the field anyway. 
2023 

Torrence is the best pick of these years in terms of being a legit starter. Kincaid has not been anywhere close to what he was expected to be. Williams is just a jag. 
 

My point was this is a Super Bowl favorite and not one of these picks from the last three years has been a home run or even a triple. Mostly single and doubles. Maybe Kincaid or Coleman break out this year. A legit start would be make this team that much more scary. 

yea, we are all hoping for a step forward but I’ll add that bishop and Coleman are currently fringe starters in position groups desperately lacking starting talent nonetheless. They likely wouldn’t start in many many buildings 

 

[twoandfourteen]

8 hours ago, bearstobills said:

First 3 Rounds only

The 2021 class yielded 2 key starters (Rousseau and Spencer Brown) and a miss in Boogie.

The 2022 class yielded 2 key starter (Cook and T. Bernard) and a miss (Elam)-which was accounted for with a 6th round hit (Benford) 

The 2023 class yielded 2 starters (Kincaid, Cybo) and a key rotational player (Dorian Williams)

The 2024 class is your this year's starting wide receiver and safety (Coleman and Bishop) and your DL5 who we'll call a miss.

 

That's 8 starters out of 12 picks and Dorian Williams (one of my favorites).  

We pick near the last of each round. Round 3 picks are near #100.

 

But narratives are fun and don't require facts.    

 

 

 

None of those guys are legitimate “blue chip” players — that’s the problem. 

 

They’re starters because the rest of the roster is full of JAGs. 

 

How many of your “elite eight” would start on the Ravens, Chiefs, or Bengals?

 

Not many. 

[twoandfourteen]

7 hours ago, bearstobills said:

Just so you know the big bad Chiefs in that same period;

2021: Traded a 1rst round pick for average Orlando Brown who is no longer on the team

2022: Drafted Sky Moore in the 2nd round

2023: Drafted Feliz-Anduike-I NEVER PLAY in the first round and Wanya Morris in the 3rd

2024: Drafted Kingsley Suamataia (barely saw the field last year)  in the 2nd round

And that's not to mention Claude Edwards Helaire in the first round the year before.

 

As for home runs and triples, like the Chiefs, we have our hits.  If Spencer Brown isn't a triple in the 3rd, and Cook isn't a triple in the 2nd, I don't know what to tell you. 

 

Unless you find the next Saquon Barkley, drafting a RB in the second round is without a doubt a wasted pick. It’s the most easily replaceable position in sports. 

 

ESPECIALLY since Beane wasted two high picks previously on Devin Singletary and Zack Moss. 

 

On this current track, time will ultimately reveal Brandon Beane to be a very mediocre (at best) GM who wasted the prime years of Josh Allen’s career on JAG defensive linemen, defensive backs, and running backs. 

[bearstobills]

4 hours ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

None of those guys are legitimate “blue chip” players — that’s the problem. 

 

They’re starters because the rest of the roster is full of JAGs. 

 

How many of your “elite eight” would start on the Ravens, Chiefs, or Bengals?

 

Not many. 

I'll keep it short and sweet.  The Bengals haven't been in the playoffs the last two seasons.  The Bills are 2-0 against the Ravens in the playoffs.  So our roster "full of JAGS" and lacking in Blue Chip Players seems to be doing just fine.  Your take on Brandon Beane being a mediocre GM wasting the prime years of the guy he drafted belongs to you and not to any semblance of the truth.  You can keep it.  And please remember it when this team ultimately climbs the mountain (which I'm guessing will upset you)

[GunnerBill]

15 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

You can't cut an injured player. I'm pretty sure you know this.

At best, you release him with an injury settlement, and since the RTP for an Achilles tear is 9 to 12 months, no player is going to accept a settlement less than the entire season.  You get the roster spot whether he's IR or released, and you owe the full salary, so why not go for the better optics and keep him?

My guess would be he was working through something and that's why he looked so bad in pre-season, and either it got worse, or after long enough of not getting better they told him he had to get more tests.

Wishing him the best and a good recovery.

 

 

Of course I didn't mean it was literally "shall we IR him or shall we cut him" I just mean when they were making their final roster decisions they are balancing a lot of variables, especially now you have the two IR to return slots. I do think leaving aside how he performed for a second the fact he was out there with the 3s and even the 4s (in game 2) in pre-season says something about where the coaching staff see him right now. Of course for Beane especially the better optics that allowing him to spend a year on IR offer was the preferrable choice. 

 

It's a big blow for the player. I think he really needed to show something this year. The chances are that with Daquan done after this year the Bills will try again to add another 1T type next offseason (probably a vet.... watch for Harrison Phillips if he is cut by the Jets after the year). So Carter will come into next year at best 5th on the depth chart again.

[nosejob]

On 9/1/2025 at 1:15 AM, Dablitzkrieg said:

He was the only D lineman with a pulse in the playoffs against the Chiefs. He actually single handedly stopped the drive, sniffing out the screen and then bullrushing the center into Mahomes for a sack.  He actually decides to show up in big games. I have zero problem with him

Hopefully we'll see him and Walker on run downs Sunday. JP is 6'6 330?

[BillsFanForever19]

I'm surprised we haven't heard of any transactions yet like Carter being moved to IR, who's coming up from the PS, and who's being added to the PS to replace them.

 

Guess we'll probably hear on Wednesday when they're at Practice.

[The Jokeman]

13 hours ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

None of those guys are legitimate “blue chip” players — that’s the problem. 

 

They’re starters because the rest of the roster is full of JAGs. 

 

How many of your “elite eight” would start on the Ravens, Chiefs, or Bengals?

 

Not many. 

Outside of Mahomes, Jones and maybe McDuffie who would you call blue chip on the Chiefs? How about 2023 1st Rounder DE Felix Anudike-Uzomah?

30 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

I'm surprised we haven't heard of any transactions yet like Carter being moved to IR, who's coming up from the PS, and who's being added to the PS to replace them.

 

Guess we'll probably hear on Wednesday when they're at Practice.

I found it odd too unless we're assessing what we need more? Another CB possibly a Kicker or another DT? 

[MJS]

19 hours ago, mannc said:

I used to think this was an average or below roster bolstered by a superstar QB, but I no longer think that.  There might not be a lot of stars outside of Josh Allen, but it’s a very solid roster.  The offensive line is probably the best the Bills have ever had, top to bottom, and I suspect even if Josh missed 5 or 6 games, the team could easily go .500 or better.  Key defensive injuries every year have prevented us from getting to the Super Bowl…

Agreed, and it has been like this for awhile. The Bills have a great roster. The only thing we don't have is the one or two elite playmakers at key positions like receiver or pass rusher. I've always said that you need three elite difference makers to win a superbowl, and one of them has to be the QB. We have Josh Allen. Maybe Cook can get into that territory. Benford is an elite corner. But we really need an elite pass rusher.

[dorquemada]

6 hours ago, MJS said:

Agreed, and it has been like this for awhile. The Bills have a great roster. The only thing we don't have is the one or two elite playmakers at key positions like receiver or pass rusher. I've always said that you need three elite difference makers to win a superbowl, and one of them has to be the QB. We have Josh Allen. Maybe Cook can get into that territory. Benford is an elite corner. But we really need an elite pass rusher.

 

If they would only draft some

[BillsFanForever19]

10 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

I found it odd too unless we're assessing what we need more? Another CB possibly a Kicker or another DT? 

 

Or maybe a Wide Receiver? Lol

 

The interesting thing about the Gabe move is he's a vet and we're at our limit there for the PS. Leads me to believe that maybe Jordan Phillips is coming up for Dewayne Carter instead of Zion Logue.

 

Or maybe it's even more moves than originally thought. As Zion Logue coming up for Carter would mean they'd have to release one from the field of Kendrick Green, Dan Feeny, Jordan Phillips, Dane Jackson, Jordan Poyer, and Sam Franklin to allow Gabe Davis on and then we'd sign on another 1st or 2nd year player to take Logue's place.

Edited September 2 by BillsFanForever19

[Buddy Hix]

Talented? Okay.

 

Hope he recovers quickly and this doesn’t cost him a shot to improve and continue his career.

[twoandfourteen]

On 9/2/2025 at 12:22 AM, bearstobills said:

I'll keep it short and sweet.  The Bengals haven't been in the playoffs the last two seasons.  The Bills are 2-0 against the Ravens in the playoffs.  So our roster "full of JAGS" and lacking in Blue Chip Players seems to be doing just fine.  Your take on Brandon Beane being a mediocre GM wasting the prime years of the guy he drafted belongs to you and not to any semblance of the truth.  You can keep it.  And please remember it when this team ultimately climbs the mountain (which I'm guessing will upset you)

 

I guess time will tell. 

 

And nothing would make me happier than to be proven wrong. However, I’ve wanted Beane and McDermott replaced for at least four seasons now, so until they appear in a Super Bowl — I’m absolutely right. 

 

Maybe when you see a washed-up, 36-year-old Josh Allen wearing an LA Rams uniform and raising his first Lombardi trophy you’ll admit… “I guess Beane and McDermott weren’t so great…"

Edited September 3 by twoandfourteen