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43 minutes ago, Blank Stare said:

 

IMO a trade like this cripples your team.

 

Bills would need to give up probably Oliver or Rousseau plus 2 #1 picks, then make the cap work which might involve moving someone else.

 

Huge upgrade at DE, but you downgrade big time at DT, you have cap issues and no #1 picks for 2 years with a lot of highly paid players.

 

It just never makes sense. 

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Completely with you. I’m kind of astonished that there isn’t more criticism of what Green Bay did. Maybe some of that is just how much people hate Jones and want this to backfire? I think he may have bumbled into a win. 

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6 minutes ago, FloridaSnow said:

Completely with you. I’m kind of astonished that there isn’t more criticism of what Green Bay did. Maybe some of that is just how much people hate Jones and want this to backfire? I think he may have bumbled into a win. 

 

Media making more of it because it never happens and they'd like to see more teams give up a ton..cash, picks, player because it gives them business 

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9 minutes ago, FloridaSnow said:

Completely with you. I’m kind of astonished that there isn’t more criticism of what Green Bay did. Maybe some of that is just how much people hate Jones and want this to backfire? I think he may have bumbled into a win. 

I think Green Bay will regret the trade.  
 

Parsons is already injured.  The $47 million cap space Parsons takes up will severely limit GB’s options in the next few years.  And just when they need to fill out the roster with cost-controlled talent, they’ll be without a first round pick for the next two years.  I also don’t think Parsons is as much of a dominant, game-changing talent as people think.  He gets a lot of garbage-time sacks.  For example, he was absolutely invisible when the Bills dismantled Dallas two years ago.

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3 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

IMO a trade like this cripples your team.

 

Bills would need to give up probably Oliver or Rousseau plus 2 #1 picks, then make the cap work which might involve moving someone else.

 

Huge upgrade at DE, but you downgrade big time at DT, you have cap issues and no #1 picks for 2 years with a lot of highly paid players.

 

It just never makes sense. 

If this didn’t involve Jerry jones I think the nfl community would’ve had a more honest discussion about the trade. I really do understand it for both teams but the cowboys continue to get dunked on for it haha 

 

they were more than a Micah parsons away and while I think Jerry exaggerated a bit there’s def truth to the whole ‘paying a DE not great against the run almost 50 million is a little nuts’ line of thinking.  we completely took their pass rush out of the game by just running the ball straight down their throats two years ago and I don’t think you’re gonna win anything with that issue ongoing 

 

there’s a good chance Jerry blows those two picks haha but that’s kinda a separate issue 😂

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10 hours ago, Blank Stare said:

 

Not surprising. Beane calls on everything. Even if he knows it isn't something doable. Bc you don't want to be the team looking back saying "sheesh - that's all it took? I would have done that". 

 

But as is the case most of the time and was clearly the case here, it was probably a "what are you looking for and what's he looking for?" and then an "okay, let me know if that changes, thanks for your time".

 

Even if we could come up with that kind of money to take on Parsons' current deal and then signed him to the deal Green Bay did (which would take some Olympic level cap gymnastics) - we still would have had to beat their offer of 2 1sts (when their picks are thought to be marginally better than ours) and Kenny Clark (who is probably worth more to the Cowboys than Ed Oliver).

 

Then if we were able to do all that, we'd be *so* up against the cap, we'd need to rely on our Draft Picks for replacements - which after this year includes 19 of our 53, 7 of which starters. And we wouldn't be picking before around Pick 60 the next two seasons.

 

It just wasn't feasible. And that's why it was only "explored".

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11 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

IMO a trade like this cripples your team.

 

Bills would need to give up probably Oliver or Rousseau plus 2 #1 picks, then make the cap work which might involve moving someone else.

 

Huge upgrade at DE, but you downgrade big time at DT, you have cap issues and no #1 picks for 2 years with a lot of highly paid players.

 

It just never makes sense. 

Agree. Add that Parsons has injury history with his back 

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In terms of skill set and ability, Parsons suits Green Bay about as much as a player can suit a team.  He's exactly what they need, even more than Garrett was what we needed this off-season.

 

But the cost of this was so insane I still think it won't work out for Green Bay.  If they do get over and win a chip this year, then it's all worth it, but w Detroit and Minnesota in their divisions, and the rams, Washington and Philly ia d the Rams n their conference, and the monsters in the AFC, GB could be every part of a chip team this season and still not won it, and then they have no picks and guys start walking and they are in cap jail.

 

To me, the formula that works best is the one the rams Philly and KC have, where you start w a great coach and top level QB (hurts stretches that, but they had wentz and a recent chip and still went for hurts, so they realized there was a min level of QB) and you add stars in important places around them, but that can only be done sustainability w some really good drafting.

 

Dicky j was right, it is hard to win in the NFL 

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On 9/6/2025 at 1:36 PM, TheFunPolice said:

 

IMO a trade like this cripples your team.

 

Bills would need to give up probably Oliver or Rousseau plus 2 #1 picks, then make the cap work which might involve moving someone else.

 

Huge upgrade at DE, but you downgrade big time at DT, you have cap issues and no #1 picks for 2 years with a lot of highly paid players.

 

It just never makes sense. 

Are the Packers still looking crippled after beating 2 of the best offenses on their schedule?

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Many were devaluing Parsons, saying “bUT He CaNt dEfeNd the RuN!” and citing his one game against the Bills, but it’s the amount of plays he disrupts that makes him such a valuable defensive piece. He would’ve been a great get for Buffalo - but I too would’ve shuddered at $47M/yr. There was no need to even go that high with the next closest edge rusher millions under that. 

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On 9/6/2025 at 12:56 PM, jcamm1966 said:

We really can't talk look at the Von deal

Ive said it a million times, injury bug bit us.  Von was not some guy known to miss games at all, and was a fluke thing on the worst field (at the time) in the league.  You know that Detroit and NYJ/NYJ field had (det-replaced it) & has (jets/giants till use) like a 20x rate of ACL injuries??  S*** bit us 2 times in like 3 weeks; thanksgiving and then Tre during a game we shouldnt have even been on that field, was moved because of a storm.

 

Anywho, Beane assembled a SB caliber team, and that was the best we've ever seen the defense.  Being afraid of random injuries is useless.  Do you refuse to date a girl because she could get in a car accident and die?  Do you walk to work everyday because cars can kill people?

 

That was a good move/signing that likely delivers a Lombardi if a fluke injury or two doesnt happen.  Winning a Chip  absolutely has some luck involved.  Some things you cant help... doesnt mean you throw away the dice and stop playing. You do what you can to increase your odds, and pray for the best.  Defense was monstrous before that G*D* field in Detroit dry dogged our season in 2 games.  Thank God its gone, and the NFL should shame Jets/Giants into getting rid of that field.

 

Its like hosting a Ferrari race on a gravel track... except their are billions at stake, not hundreds of K's!  Band together and refuse to play on it till fixed!!! Quit being cheap short term, at the expense of crazy long term consequences!!!  NFLPA should weigh in too.  State theyre all refusing to play on it.

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18 minutes ago, Brand J said:

Many were devaluing Parsons, saying “bUT He CaNt dEfeNd the RuN!” and citing his one game against the Bills, but it’s the amount of plays he disrupts that makes him such a valuable defensive piece. He would’ve been a great get for Buffalo - but I too would’ve shuddered at $47M/yr. There was no need to even go that high with the next closest edge rusher millions under that. 

what will that look like in 2 years by comparison?  What will the NFL salary cap look like next year?  Or in 2 years?

 

Its been 10+ years of Fan community getting sticker price shock, anytime somebody at any position, who is top 5, signs a new deal.  

 

1.  You need a QB

2. You need to protect a QB (more than LT) // You need to disrupt passing game.

 

To me DE > LT, because one player can have much more effect than the other.  Have a nasty LT? Pass rush LB can go to other side.  Elite pass rush makes your DB's lives so much easier. DE is by far the 2nd most important position in the NFL.  Salary cup is always going up.  Next man up at a position is almost always going to reset the market.

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6 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

what will that look like in 2 years by comparison?  What will the NFL salary cap look like next year?  Or in 2 years?

I think Parsons will still comfortably be ahead of any edge players in 2 years time. His closest peers - Garrett and Watt - just re-signed for far less. My point was that $5-$6M more than the next highest paid player at that position didn’t seem necessary. Usually when these deals get done, there’s a one-upmanship. Money that comes in just over the last player’s amount. Maybe it’s a $1M more, maybe it offers a little more guaranteed money, etc. but Parsons’ agent blew the doors off the DE market and the Pack allowed it. 

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15 hours ago, FireChans said:

Are the Packers still looking crippled after beating 2 of the best offenses on their schedule?

 

I must say that I'm notoriously awful at football predictions! Lol 

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On 9/6/2025 at 12:36 PM, TheFunPolice said:

 

IMO a trade like this cripples your team.

 

Bills would need to give up probably Oliver or Rousseau plus 2 #1 picks, then make the cap work which might involve moving someone else.

 

Huge upgrade at DE, but you downgrade big time at DT, you have cap issues and no #1 picks for 2 years with a lot of highly paid players.

 

It just never makes sense. 

 

I'd easily give up Rousseau + 2 picks for Parsons. 

 

Given who this team has used 1st round picks on, I wouldn't miss those picks anyway. Rather take my chances with a guaranteed young superstar. You know, an asset of which we have very few of on this team.

 

Name one superstar, elite talent on the Bills besides Josh. We have none. If you have a chance to get the next Von Miller, the next Bruce Smith, the next Reggie White, who cares if you give up 2 x 1st round picks? 

 

Right now, no picks involved at all, would you do these trades:

 

1) Ed Oliver & Groot for Parsons

2) Groot & Kincaid for Parsons

3) Coleman & Groot for Parsons

4) Hairston & Kincaid for Parsons

5) Elam & Edmunds for Parsons... oh wait.

 

And yes, I know Coleman was just the top of the 2nd round, but he was the result of multiple trade backs out of the 1st round.

 

I would take ALL of those for Parsons. That's what we've spent our 1st round picks on. Maybe Hairston or Kincaid become elite, but Parsons is already a top 2 or 3 player at his position, only 26 years old, gets constant pressure on the QB (sack or not) and commands a QB-level contract due to how good he is.

 

We already have cap issues. We basically paid tens of millions of dollars to offload Stefon Diggs & save money in the future, yet we've still got the least cap space in the NFL & no elite talent to show for it. We paid Von Miller a boatload of money years ago when he was already 33 & got 9 good games out of him.

 

Green Bay is already paying a big QB contract, is extremely young, has a great defense AND managed to swing Micah Parsons. 

 

I'm sure they won't be regretting anything if their team is as successful as they look like they're going to be. Remember when many on this board said we shouldn't try to trade for CMC because he needed a "real" every down back? Then he goes to the 49ers & lights it up. Pretty sure he would've been insane on this team. Even when Derek Henry was available people weren't that interested. We had Cook after all. 

 

But as much as I like Cook, he's no Derek Henry.

 

At this point, if any superstar players becomes available, the Bills should try to get them. They need play makers that opponents have to gameplan specifically for. That's where I'm at at this point.

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13 hours ago, billsfanmiamioh said:

All it takes is one ACL (see Von) and yes. 

May as well trade Josh then. If he blows out his knee, we are cooked. Let’s get rid of him.

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56 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

 

I'd easily give up Rousseau + 2 picks for Parsons. 

 

Given who this team has used 1st round picks on, I wouldn't miss those picks anyway. Rather take my chances with a guaranteed young superstar. You know, an asset of which we have very few of on this team.

 

Name one superstar, elite talent on the Bills besides Josh. We have none. If you have a chance to get the next Von Miller, the next Bruce Smith, the next Reggie White, who cares if you give up 2 x 1st round picks? 

 

Right now, no picks involved at all, would you do these trades:

 

1) Ed Oliver & Groot for Parsons

2) Groot & Kincaid for Parsons

3) Coleman & Groot for Parsons

4) Hairston & Kincaid for Parsons

5) Elam & Edmunds for Parsons... oh wait.

 

And yes, I know Coleman was just the top of the 2nd round, but he was the result of multiple trade backs out of the 1st round.

 

I would take ALL of those for Parsons. That's what we've spent our 1st round picks on. Maybe Hairston or Kincaid become elite, but Parsons is already a top 2 or 3 player at his position, only 26 years old, gets constant pressure on the QB (sack or not) and commands a QB-level contract due to how good he is.

 

We already have cap issues. We basically paid tens of millions of dollars to offload Stefon Diggs & save money in the future, yet we've still got the least cap space in the NFL & no elite talent to show for it. We paid Von Miller a boatload of money years ago when he was already 33 & got 9 good games out of him.

 

Green Bay is already paying a big QB contract, is extremely young, has a great defense AND managed to swing Micah Parsons. 

 

I'm sure they won't be regretting anything if their team is as successful as they look like they're going to be. Remember when many on this board said we shouldn't try to trade for CMC because he needed a "real" every down back? Then he goes to the 49ers & lights it up. Pretty sure he would've been insane on this team. Even when Derek Henry was available people weren't that interested. We had Cook after all. 

 

But as much as I like Cook, he's no Derek Henry.

 

At this point, if any superstar players becomes available, the Bills should try to get them. They need play makers that opponents have to gameplan specifically for. That's where I'm at at this point.

 

Rousseau as part of a Parsons trade package makes plenty of sense, except for all the deal money he'd incur. But on the field, sure. I've grown disillusioned with Groot. Hopefully he proves me wrong starting this week.

 

The problem with that trade package is that the "+2 picks" would be at least the next 2 1sts, which hurts (major loss of cap-controlled talent). Unless you want to be super cynical about Beane's 1st round drafting, in which case, then I guess an argument can be made. 

 

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