Game week thread - Ravens at Bills SNF

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, FranchiseSavior said:

I thought this was a message board.  I haven't called anyone names but I've neen called names.  I haven't said a bad thing about any member of the Bills but I've had names called at the Ravens and specifically Lamar.  I see you guys don't want to talk ball with anyone other then those that share your same opinion.  This will be my last post.  Good luck Sunday.

 

You're from Baltimore, right? Have you ever been to Room 40?

[Herc11]

7 hours ago, FranchiseSavior said:

By your level of thinking Trent Dilfer has to be talked about as one of the better QBs and Dan Marino shouldn't.  Gotta question for you.  Who's the better QB Trent Dilfer or Jim Kelly? 

 

I agree with your comment here. In the past 15 years or so the narrative has become "if you don't have a ring you suck and are a choker"

 

Prior to that people still recognized a great QB as a great QB. Marino was an all-time passer, Kelly ran one of the most potent offenses of his era, Manning was considered great before he got his trophy. 

 

Dilfer is a perfect example that I use. He was good enough to not lose the game. The defense won that SB. However, in today's thinking he has a ring and is better than Allen, Lamar, Burrow, and so on. And we all know that isn't even close to being true.

It's quite ridiculous really. 

Edited Friday at 05:28 AM by Herc11

[Herc11]

8 hours ago, Special K said:

If the Bills win:

 

Talking heads will make every excuse possible and blame everything and everybody other than Lamar Jackson for why the Ravens lost, while simultaneously not mentioning Josh Allen at all.

 

If the Bills lose:

 

Talking heads: "Lamar is the greatest QB ever!!!!!!!"

 

 

 

 

This is the exact crap I can't stand.

 

Lamar wins MVP in '23 and it's all about how great he is. 

 

Josh wins in '24 and it's a "ahhh just give it to him" trophy when they both won in the same exact manner

8 hours ago, Special K said:

If the Bills win:

 

Talking heads will make every excuse possible and blame everything and everybody other than Lamar Jackson for why the Ravens lost, while simultaneously not mentioning Josh Allen at all.

 

If the Bills lose:

 

Talking heads: "Lamar is the greatest QB ever!!!!!!!"

 

 

 

 

This is the exact crap I can't stand.

 

Lamar wins MVP in '23 and it's all about how great he is. 

 

Josh wins in '24 and it's a "ahhh just give it to him trophy" when they both won in the same exact manner

Edited Friday at 05:47 AM by Herc11

[BigDingus]

1 hour ago, Herc11 said:

 

I agree with your comment here. In the past 15 years or so the narrative has become "if you don't have a ring you suck and are a choker"

 

Prior to that people still recognized a great QB as a great QB. Marino was an all-time passer, Kelly ran one of the most potent offenses of his era, Manning was considered great before he got his trophy. 

 

Dilfer is a perfect example that I use. He was good enough to not lose the game. The defense won that SB. However, in today's thinking he has a ring and is better than Allen, Lamar, Burrow, and so on. And we all know that isn't even close to being true.

It's quite ridiculous really. 

 

You could even use a more recent example like Peyton Manning's final season. He was even almost as bad as Dilfer, arguably worse so in some areas, but the Broncos defense was good enough to carry them.

 

In Peyton's last season his stats were:

 

Regular Season - 59.8% comp / 224 ypg / 9 TDs / 17 INTs / 67.9 passer rating

Post Season - 55.4% comp / 180 ypg / 2 TDs / 1 INT / 75.4 passer rating

 

Compare that to Trent Dilfer: 

 

Regular Season - 59.3% comp / 136 ypg / 12 TDs / 11 INTs / 76.6 passer rating

Post Season - 47.9% comp / 147.5 ypg / 3 TDs / 1 INT / 83.7 passer rating

 

Manning played in 10 games that season, while Dilfer played in 11. Manning had a slightly better comp% & more pass yards, but he was also more turnover prone & had less TDs. 

 

But because Manning had a great career, this Super Bowl just gets grouped in with his overall greatness. "Manning won 2 x Super Bowls!" is all people remember. They don't really think of him as Trent Dilfer 2.0 & playing terribly that final year.

[RoscoeParrish]

2 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 

You could even use a more recent example like Peyton Manning's final season. He was even almost as bad as Dilfer, arguably worse so in some areas, but the Broncos defense was good enough to carry them.

 

In Peyton's last season his stats were:

 

Regular Season - 59.8% comp / 224 ypg / 9 TDs / 17 INTs / 67.9 passer rating

Post Season - 55.4% comp / 180 ypg / 2 TDs / 1 INT / 75.4 passer rating

 

Compare that to Trent Dilfer: 

 

Regular Season - 59.3% comp / 136 ypg / 12 TDs / 11 INTs / 76.6 passer rating

Post Season - 47.9% comp / 147.5 ypg / 3 TDs / 1 INT / 83.7 passer rating

 

Manning played in 10 games that season, while Dilfer played in 11. Manning had a slightly better comp% & more pass yards, but he was also more turnover prone & had less TDs. 

 

But because Manning had a great career, this Super Bowl just gets grouped in with his overall greatness. "Manning won 2 x Super Bowls!" is all people remember. They don't really think of him as Trent Dilfer 2.0 & playing terribly that final year.

That’s because Peyton felt good enough to get 2.

 

It’s the same way Marino gets top 5 mentions. 
 

He was good enough to win a handful of Super Bowls, he just didn’t. 

4 hours ago, Herc11 said:

 

I agree with your comment here. In the past 15 years or so the narrative has become "if you don't have a ring you suck and are a choker"

 

Prior to that people still recognized a great QB as a great QB. Marino was an all-time passer, Kelly ran one of the most potent offenses of his era, Manning was considered great before he got his trophy. 

 

Dilfer is a perfect example that I use. He was good enough to not lose the game. The defense won that SB. However, in today's thinking he has a ring and is better than Allen, Lamar, Burrow, and so on. And we all know that isn't even close to being true.

It's quite ridiculous really. 

Nobody serious thinks Trent Dilfer is better than Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, or Joe Burrow. Exactly zero.

[eball]

8 hours ago, FranchiseSavior said:

This will be my last post.

 

Couldn’t have come soon enough!  Bye!

 

[SirAndrew]

3 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 

You could even use a more recent example like Peyton Manning's final season. He was even almost as bad as Dilfer, arguably worse so in some areas, but the Broncos defense was good enough to carry them.

 

In Peyton's last season his stats were:

 

Regular Season - 59.8% comp / 224 ypg / 9 TDs / 17 INTs / 67.9 passer rating

Post Season - 55.4% comp / 180 ypg / 2 TDs / 1 INT / 75.4 passer rating

 

Compare that to Trent Dilfer: 

 

Regular Season - 59.3% comp / 136 ypg / 12 TDs / 11 INTs / 76.6 passer rating

Post Season - 47.9% comp / 147.5 ypg / 3 TDs / 1 INT / 83.7 passer rating

 

Manning played in 10 games that season, while Dilfer played in 11. Manning had a slightly better comp% & more pass yards, but he was also more turnover prone & had less TDs. 

 

But because Manning had a great career, this Super Bowl just gets grouped in with his overall greatness. "Manning won 2 x Super Bowls!" is all people remember. They don't really think of him as Trent Dilfer 2.0 & playing terribly that final year.

Manning was even benched at one point that season. It would have been an embarrassing season if not for the Super Bowl win. 

Edited Friday at 10:40 AM by SirAndrew

[AverageAllensSuspensor]

Likely and Ricard out. Two of Lamars/Ravens most important weapons. We have no excuses if we don't win. Still expect a tight game. Time for Allen to show he is the top QB. He will get us the win! 28-20.

[NewEra]

28 minutes ago, AverageAllensSuspensor said:

Likely and Ricard out. Two of Lamars/Ravens most important weapons. We have no excuses if we don't win. Still expect a tight game. Time for Allen to show he is the top QB. He will get us the win! 28-20.

If we win 28-20, I think the defense will get us the win.

[boyst]

10 hours ago, FranchiseSavior said:

And this is all I'm saying.  If Lamar's  a choker because he hasn't won it all when they both have run u0 against the same team and had the exact same outcome then what are you really saying about your own QB.

I thought this was a message board.  I haven't called anyone names but I've neen called names.  I haven't said a bad thing about any member of the Bills but I've had names called at the Ravens and specifically Lamar.  I see you guys don't want to talk ball with anyone other then those that share your same opinion.  This will be my last post.  Good luck Sunday.

No it won't. You'll be back.

[Bruffalo]

It all kind of hinges on the D-Line and if it's really improved or not.  Pressure and run-stuffing from the front 4 combined with the return of Milano / Bernard as a LB pairing should make up for any problems in the secondary, assuming Benford can play.

 

I wish this game was week 4 or 5. I think being week 1 makes it a really tough win for the Bills, who almost always look very wonky the first game of the season.

 

It'll probably be a 28-31 type game, I just have no idea who is who in that scenario.

Edited Friday at 12:50 PM by Bruffalo

[boyst]

6 minutes ago, NewEra said:

If we win 28-20, I think the defense will get us the win.

I will draw out more of what I've mentioned before...

 

If I am Baltimore I run pass routes early and often, quick no huddle, throw the fire at the Bills defense. Especially if the young rookies get in at DL and/or we don't have white and Benford out together. Get them confused with high tempo. This could bite Baltimore only if the rookies play instinctively and their instincts turn out to be good with young athleticism and they avoid thinking. However, id gamble on it not and quick 3-5 yard passes over and over again with some opportunities deep as they hope to wind and drain our safeties. Let someone get open over the top. As we are falling for the rope a dope fast punches to reel us in on a big hit to hopefully get a score they can draw this out until the 2Q. Oof course, based on our offense, they can then begin using Henry to roll back the quick passing attack and go conservative to send us to halftime with some hard hitting runs. Coming out in the second half with a balanced approach, and in their goal should be 2-3 scores on the board regardless of what we score.

 

Harbaugh has to trust his defense to stop the Bills offense and put all his chips in on offense to set the tone. This game is critical for them, they have more to lose in their division than we do and a conference win against us sets up a chance for a #1 seed.

 

If I'm Harbaugh I think I have a solid game plan on this right here. 

[billsbackto81]

7 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

You're from Baltimore, right? Have you ever been to Room 40?

I hear Josh speaks highly about it. 🤭

[boco357]

Is this boat rally something that has been done before or something forced by NBC?

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

What's the over/under on Harbaugh whining to the referees? I put it at 10 but could be low! Whiniest coach in the NFL

[eball]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

I will draw out more of what I've mentioned before...

 

If I am Baltimore I run pass routes early and often, quick no huddle, throw the fire at the Bills defense. Especially if the young rookies get in at DL and/or we don't have white and Benford out together. Get them confused with high tempo. This could bite Baltimore only if the rookies play instinctively and their instincts turn out to be good with young athleticism and they avoid thinking. However, id gamble on it not and quick 3-5 yard passes over and over again with some opportunities deep as they hope to wind and drain our safeties. Let someone get open over the top. As we are falling for the rope a dope fast punches to reel us in on a big hit to hopefully get a score they can draw this out until the 2Q. Oof course, based on our offense, they can then begin using Henry to roll back the quick passing attack and go conservative to send us to halftime with some hard hitting runs. Coming out in the second half with a balanced approach, and in their goal should be 2-3 scores on the board regardless of what we score.

 

Harbaugh has to trust his defense to stop the Bills offense and put all his chips in on offense to set the tone. This game is critical for them, they have more to lose in their division than we do and a conference win against us sets up a chance for a #1 seed.

 

If I'm Harbaugh I think I have a solid game plan on this right here. 

 

Has Baltimore ever run "quick tempo" with Lamar?  Serious question; I don't watch their games except for when they're playing the Bills.

 

[BuffaloBaumer]

Sal was on this morning going over injury report and did not say anything about Coleman. I suppose that is good news?

[Einstein]

12 hours ago, FranchiseSavior said:

And this is all I'm saying.  If Lamar's  a choker because he hasn't won it all when they both have run u0 against the same team and had the exact same outcome then what are you really saying about your own QB.

 

Not sure what’s so hard to understand. One teams QB balls out in the playoffs and loses despite his great performances. The other teams QB craps the bed in every playoffs and loses because of his performances.

There is a difference.

[boyst]

11 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Has Baltimore ever run "quick tempo" with Lamar?  Serious question; I don't watch their games except for when they're playing the Bills.

 

Not intentionally. Lamar speeds the game up by his legs. If they could get a quick tempo no huddle itd be a game changing opportunity. No one could keep up. I have a sense that they avoid this to keep him calm and to get focus on their plays. They seem to run a fairly complex scheme where they use play calls to create opportunities. Not that they are complex but the scheme is to get everyone to an open field point of possible. 

 

We need to play man coverage a lot. 

[Mango]

2 hours ago, AverageAllensSuspensor said:

Likely and Ricard out. Two of Lamars/Ravens most important weapons. We have no excuses if we don't win. Still expect a tight game. Time for Allen to show he is the top QB. He will get us the win! 28-20.

 

Part of me loves opening the season in primetime v the Ravens. It is an exciting game, and the Ravens very next meaningful game after losing at the Ralph. 

But part of me hates it. I think this one gets won by whichever team has the most early season wrinkles ironed out first. I have a sneaky suspicion that this one won't be close no matter who wins. The score will be meaningless, but it will drive the losing teams narrative for the rest of the year.