The Bills Have a Shavers Problem?

[SoonerBillsFan]

22 hours ago, Pete said:

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/curtis-samuel-s-12-yard-touchdown-reception-gives-bills-nine-point-lead-bills-vs-chiefs

4.31 speed.  He is great friends with Josh and Brady loves him.  

That’s Curtis beating Surtain, and Curtis 2 Playoff TDs

I don't care if Josh "Loves him". Samuel's ass needs to be on the field consistently and be dependable. So far he is the opposite of that.

[hondo in seattle]

4 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Back when Rice played noone said he ran 4.71.  It was always around 4.55 from what I remember.  And I watched his entire career.  It has been a while.  But the way he played WR will never be duplicated.  Whatever he ran in the 40, he never looked slow running on the field.  I will say that.

 

Its funny but three guys who were as fast as any WR's of any era that I saw were Isaac Curtis-Bengals, Roger Carr-Colts and Cliff Branch-Raiders.  All 3 could just burn!!  And they all played in the 1970's.

 

Rice once said that he never trained for the 40 like modern football players do.  So I'm guessing he didn't have a good start when timed. 

 

But when I watched him play, if I remember correctly, he had good acceleration and enough top-end speed that he was rarely caught from behind. 

 

And Pete is right, there's an art to route running.  Sure, you need the quickness in and out of cuts, good footwork and speed.  But some receivers seem to have superior vision and a better understanding of what their CB is doing, when he's turning, where the other DBs are doing, etc. - and use all that to their advantage.  Jerry was good at the athletic part but really shone at the other part.

[billsfan89]

3 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Rice once said that he never trained for the 40 like modern football players do.  So I'm guessing he didn't have a good start when timed. 

 

But when I watched him play, if I remember correctly, he had good acceleration and enough top-end speed that he was rarely caught from behind. 

 

And Pete is right, there's an art to route running.  Sure, you need the quickness in and out of cuts, good footwork and speed.  But some receivers seem to have superior vision and a better understanding of what their CB is doing, when he's turning, where the other DBs are doing, etc. - and use all that to their advantage.  Jerry was good at the athletic part but really shone at the other part.

 

Rice also wore opponents down. I can't tell you how many defenders in documentaries about Rice/49ers say how the key to Jerry Rice's success was that he ran at the same speed and with the same precision on snap 1 as he did on the final snaps of the game. When he retired he had 36 4th quarter TD catches the most ever by most estimates. He didn't have the tremendous physical tools in terms of speed but he had a good athletic profile that he made up for in so many other ways.

[Pete]

Rice trained running up a long, steep, mountain.  Many NFL athletes tried to run that hill with Jerry, and no one could sprint up that hill.

 

Respect to Tre’davius for running that hill on his way for ice cream.  Running steep hills is intense.  It will get you in quickest shape

2 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I don't care if Josh "Loves him". Samuel's ass needs to be on the field consistently and be dependable. So far he is the opposite of that.

Bills need players to step up in the playoffs.  Curtis caught a TD in both playoff games in 2024.  Curtis shows up for playoffs, that’s what counts 

[Dillenger4]

7 minutes ago, Pete said:

Rice trained running up a long, steep, mountain.  Many NFL athletes tried to run that hill with Jerry, and no one could sprint up that hill.

 

Respect to Tre’davius for running that hill on his way for ice cream.  Running steep hills is intense.  It will get you in quickest shape

Bills need players to step up in the playoffs.  Curtis caught a TD in both playoff games in 2024.  Curtis shows up for playoffs, that’s what counts 

Cool - he can run up hills all he wants to. He can't cover worth a darn. Or tackle.

[Warriorspikes51]

Shavers is like Robert Foster except better and could really take off this year if given WR4 opportunities...or more 

[Aussie Joe]

 

[Warriorspikes51]

He made it!  Congrats Shavers 

should be on the field on gameday a fair amount.  Has earned it 

[Taro Nimbus]

2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

We really had to post this in 4 different threads huh?   😂

[NewEra]

I can’t believe we kept that LOSER Shavers!!!

[HappyDays]

Glad he made it, he earned it over Moore. I wonder if we are going to keep 6 WRs though, hasn't been this regime's MO but maybe they decide Moore is a better player than like Chase Lundt.

[LEBills]

Just now, HappyDays said:

Glad he made it, he earned it over Moore. I wonder if we are going to keep 6 WRs though, hasn't been this regime's MO but maybe they decide Moore is a better player than like Chase Lundt.

With Shakir and Samuel being injured for so long, I think Moore makes it. Sounds like Grable to IR so Lundt probably makes it too

[Paup 1995MVP]

2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Rice once said that he never trained for the 40 like modern football players do.  So I'm guessing he didn't have a good start when timed. 

 

But when I watched him play, if I remember correctly, he had good acceleration and enough top-end speed that he was rarely caught from behind. 

 

And Pete is right, there's an art to route running.  Sure, you need the quickness in and out of cuts, good footwork and speed.  But some receivers seem to have superior vision and a better understanding of what their CB is doing, when he's turning, where the other DBs are doing, etc. - and use all that to their advantage.  Jerry was good at the athletic part but really shone at the other part.

And he had great hands.  There are real good players in every sport in every era.  And there are the all timers.  Jerry Rice is a Mt Rushmore type.    

[Warriorspikes51]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Glad he made it, he earned it over Moore. I wonder if we are going to keep 6 WRs though, hasn't been this regime's MO but maybe they decide Moore is a better player than like Chase Lundt.

5 WR's should be active on gameday  and rotate a bit  IMO 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

21 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I can’t believe we kept that LOSER Shavers!!!

I haven't seen MWK for a while.  Should someone check on him / her? 🤔

[Don Otreply]

3 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I don't care if Josh "Loves him". Samuel's ass needs to be on the field consistently and be dependable. So far he is the opposite of that.

 

you’ve gone down the rabbit hole as of late my friend, the echos are likely mind numbing in there, come on outta there, and join us in reality, nuthin but luv, 😁👍

[McMuffin]

3 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I don't care if Josh "Loves him". Samuel's ass needs to be on the field consistently and be dependable. So far he is the opposite of that.

Joe Marino said that Samuel only missed 4 games in 3 seasons.  To be fair he did play hurt a lot which limited his effectiveness.

[PrimeTime101]

29 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Glad he made it, he earned it over Moore. I wonder if we are going to keep 6 WRs though, hasn't been this regime's MO but maybe they decide Moore is a better player than like Chase Lundt.

ive talked to several people on this topic. many think 6.

1 minute ago, McMuffin said:

Joe Marino said that Samuel only missed 4 games in 3 seasons.  To be fair he did play hurt a lot which limited his effectiveness.

of course he just quoted 3 years cause the 4th year ago he only played 5 games. 

 

and in the 4 years prior to that,  he missed 11 games. 

 

Content matters. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

31 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

 

you’ve gone down the rabbit hole as of late my friend, the echos are likely mind numbing in there, come on outta there, and join us in reality, nuthin but luv, 😁👍

[Fleezoid]

7 hours ago, Pete said:

Jerry Rice's fastest 40-yard dash time is reported to be 4.71 seconds. While this time is considered relatively slow for a wide receiver, especially when compared to other players in his position, it's important to note that his on-field speed and performance were exceptional, demonstrating that football speed isn't solely determined by a 40-yard dash time, according to NFL Buzz on Facebook. 

Here's a more detailed breakdown: 

Reported time:

4.71 seconds. 

Comparison to other WRs:

Many wide receivers in the NFL run the 40-yard dash in the 4.4-4.5 second range, making Rice's time slower than average for his position. 

Football speed vs. 40 time:

NFL Buzz on Facebook explains that football speed is about more than just the 40-yard dash. Rice's ability to accelerate, change direction, and maintain speed throughout a play, along with his route running and ability to catch passes, made him a dominant receiver despite his 40-yard dash time. 

Bill Walsh's perspective:

Former 49ers coach Bill Walsh, who coached Rice, mentioned that while Rice's 40 time was slower than some receivers, his game film showed exceptional agility, route running, and finishing ability. 

 

 

This exactly!  WR speed, while nice to have, is overblown. Route running, cutting ability, and just plaining selling the DB on a shoulder or head deke is so much more. We all saw how good Diggs was at that. I was always told you don't run routes at full speed. 90 percent, so you have that extra 10 percent burst to cover for a slightly overthrown ball.