H2o Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago I guess it wouldn't be the first time that the NFL colluded, but I don't know if I buy this one. If a guy is a potential Franchise QB, a guy who changes the course of your organization, then they would tell the League Office to kick rocks. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/eric-dickerson-claims-nfl-teams-were-told-not-to-draft-shedeur-sanders Quote “I tell you this much, what I heard from someone that’s in the NFL, that the NFL told [teams] don’t draft him, do not draft him,” Dickerson said on the Roggin and Rodney Show, via Christian Arnold of the New York Post. “We’re going to make an example out of him. And this came from a very good source, a very good source.” 1 1 Quote
Brand J Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago “Make an example out of him.” What did he do besides carry himself with inflated arrogance? The league will humble you whoever you are so that persona wasn’t really a concern. It’s not like he was accused of rape, or murder. 2 5 Quote
Lost Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 5 minutes ago, H2o said: “We’re going to make an example out of him" Make an example of him for what? 6 1 Quote
Roundybout Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago I don’t buy this. There have been a million players with “attitude” issues in the last decade or so and they got drafted fine. Sanders had a lot of question marks out of Colorado and was overhyped by his last name. 2 12 1 Quote
Augie Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago I’m not buying it. If I think he may be our next QB, I’m drafting the guy. Exactly how does the NFL go about telling teams not to draft him? Who says what to whom? I think teams can figure out stuff like this on their own. He got drafted about where he deserved to be drafted, and the speeding ticket kind of reinforced that. Was he drafted below his talent level? Maybe, but you draft based on the whole package, the player and the person (and the baggage). Act like an arrogant jerk and there just may be ramifications. Shocking! 1 2 Quote
Logic Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 8 minutes ago, Brand J said: “Make an example out of him.” What did he do besides carry himself with inflated arrogance? The league will humble you whoever you are so that persona wasn’t really a concern. It’s not like he was accused of rape, or murder. 7 minutes ago, Lost said: Make an example of him for what? From the posted article: "Consider this. Sanders fell (we were told after the draft) because he viewed the pre-draft process as he was being recruited, not as he was being interviewed. He was essentially pushing back against the “honor and a privilege” nonsense. If his approach had been ratified by a high selection in the draft, others may have done the same. And the NFL does not want the cyborgs to become self-aware. So it’s not crazy. In the hidden (until it wasn’t) collusion ruling, the arbitrator found that the NFL’s Management Council, with the blessing of the Commissioner, encouraged teams as a result of the Watson contract to resist fully-guaranteed contracts. Would it be nuts to think that the league, which has made the draft into a massive offseason tentpole event by perpetuating the notion that it’s a Harry Potter sorting-hat ceremony, will react negatively to any player who doesn’t play along? “It’s a job interview.” We hear it every year. Players get poked and prodded and interrogated and scrutinized. For the system to work, the players need to submit. If they ever realize the power that comes from saying, “It’s an honor and a privilege for you to be able to employ us,” the whole thing could fall apart. It’s all about power. It’s all about showing those who don’t have the power that there are consequences to not yielding to the power." 1 2 1 1 Quote
Mikie2times Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Logic said: From the posted article: "Consider this. Sanders fell (we were told after the draft) because he viewed the pre-draft process as he was being recruited, not as he was being interviewed. He was essentially pushing back against the “honor and a privilege” nonsense. If his approach had been ratified by a high selection in the draft, others may have done the same. And the NFL does not want the cyborgs to become self-aware. So it’s not crazy. In the hidden (until it wasn’t) collusion ruling, the arbitrator found that the NFL’s Management Council, with the blessing of the Commissioner, encouraged teams as a result of the Watson contract to resist fully-guaranteed contracts. Would it be nuts to think that the league, which has made the draft into a massive offseason tentpole event by perpetuating the notion that it’s a Harry Potter sorting-hat ceremony, will react negatively to any player who doesn’t play along? “It’s a job interview.” We hear it every year. Players get poked and prodded and interrogated and scrutinized. For the system to work, the players need to submit. If they ever realize the power that comes from saying, “It’s an honor and a privilege for you to be able to employ us,” the whole thing could fall apart. It’s all about power. It’s all about showing those who don’t have the power that there are consequences to not yielding to the power." It's a really interesting concept to just have all the players say, ya, I'm not participating in your crap. 1 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 14 minutes ago, H2o said: I guess it wouldn't be the first time that the NFL colluded, but I don't know if I buy this one. If a guy is a potential Franchise QB, a guy who changes the course of your organization, then they would tell the League Office to kick rocks. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/eric-dickerson-claims-nfl-teams-were-told-not-to-draft-shedeur-sanders I'm not sure I buy Eric Dickerson as the guy to put faith in for breaking news. It makes zero sense also. What exactly are they making an example of? Arrogance? Being born the son of Sanders? And yeah, even if the NFL said that, if someone wanted him they would have drafted him way before the 5th. Sounds more like Dickerson trying to help his friends son save face. I do find it funny that he was drafted by the most blah team in the NFL after they drafted another QB. 3 2 2 Quote
Bob in STL Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago Prior to draft day it was his interviews with teams that turned off many of the teams that needed QBs. He will get a chance to prove them wrong, or not. 3 Quote
Logic Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: It's a really interesting concept to just have all the players say, ya, I'm not participating in your crap. It has already started to happen, little by little, with the scouting combine (which I think will be more or less obsolete within a decade as more and more prominent players refuse to participate in it). If they ALSO start to decline the pre-draft interview rat race or, at the very least, to steer it more in the direction of "you're recruiting ME, I'm not interviewing for a job"...could be interesting. Granted, all of this mostly applies to the 1st and 2nd round, top talent guys. I don't imagine mid round to UDFA caliber guys are gonna be pulling these power plays any time soon. 1 Quote
Gisele Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago Do any of you guys remember how bad Eric was at sideline reporting? Dude was great at football but I'm pretty sure he isn't very bright. 1 Quote
Nephilim17 Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 21 minutes ago, Brand J said: “Make an example out of him.” What did he do besides carry himself with inflated arrogance? The league will humble you whoever you are so that persona wasn’t really a concern. It’s not like he was accused of rape, or murder. He apparently deliberately tanked interviews with certain teams so as not to get drafted by them. Deion said the year before his sons won't be playing for certain teams, and it would be an Eli Manning-like situation if certain teams drafted them. 1 Quote
Doc Brown Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 7 minutes ago, Logic said: Would it be nuts to think that the league, which has made the draft into a massive offseason tentpole event by perpetuating the notion that it’s a Harry Potter sorting-hat ceremony, will react negatively to any player who doesn’t play along? No because too many jobs are on the line when you swing for your franchise QB. If, for instance, the Giants, Steelers, or Colts thought he was their franchise guy then they would've pulled the trigger and drafted him in round 1. Once the QB needy teams decided he wasn't their franchise guy he fell because no team's want that much baggage with a backup. I won't parse words. Dickerson was lying. 1 1 Quote
DaVinci Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago Never liked his father and the apple doesn't fall to far from the tree. 5 Quote
Logic Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago For those saying this seems far-fetched, I'll just say... The NFL has been caught in the act of collusion already. The Kaepernick stuff didn't happen that long ago. I don't know whether Dickerson is telling the truth here or not. But I don't find it AT ALL hard to believe that a company worth as much as the NFL and whose continuous supply of willing labor balances so precariously on a teeter-totter of precedence and tradition would engage in collusion to ensure their continued success. PARTICULARLY given that they've already been found guilty of collusion in the past. 2 Quote
HomeskillitMoorman Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: No because too many jobs are on the line when you swing for your franchise QB. If, for instance, the Giants, Steelers, or Colts thought he was their franchise guy then they would've pulled the trigger and drafted him in round 1. Once the QB needy teams decided he wasn't their franchise guy he fell because no team's want that much baggage with a backup. I won't parse words. Dickerson was lying. I agree, I can't see how when most of the teams who don't have a franchise QB have coaches on thin ice that may never get a head coaching job ever again would pass up him up if they thought he was a possible franchise QB or even just a good one because the NFL wanted to make an example out of him. Especially in like the 3rd or 4th round. 2 Quote
wppete Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago Sounds like fake news to me. Dickerson is a strange guy for sure. 2 Quote
HomeskillitMoorman Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago Just now, Logic said: For those saying this seems far-fetched, I'll just say... The NFL has been caught in the act of collusion already. The Kaepernick stuff didn't happen that long ago. I don't know whether Dickerson is telling the truth here or not. But I don't find it AT ALL hard to believe that a company worth as much as the NFL and whose continuous supply of willing labor balances so precariously on a teeter-totter of precedence and tradition would engage in collusion to ensure their continued success. PARTICULARLY given that they've already been found guilty of collusion in the past. Sure, I wouldn't put it past the NFL to attempt something like that. But I don't think teams would go along with it if they really thought Sanders was going to be really good. I could be wrong but it's hard to see GMs and coaches with jobs on the line pass up what they think is a good QB in round 3 or 4. Kaepernick had a couple years where he struggled which I think helped that collusion. But it's a fair point, they're not above doing it. 1 Quote
BillsShredder83 Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 43 minutes ago, H2o said: I guess it wouldn't be the first time that the NFL colluded, but I don't know if I buy this one. If a guy is a potential Franchise QB, a guy who changes the course of your organization, then they would tell the League Office to kick rocks. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/eric-dickerson-claims-nfl-teams-were-told-not-to-draft-shedeur-sanders LOL ok Grampa Dickerson Quote
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