Tre White carted off

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, Lionel Hutz said:

Mahomes had one of his worst seasons last year and they still got the #1 seed.

Patrick mahomes having a bad statistical season is not equal to white or trubisky playing lol

 

I'm going to bed now that is the craziest comparison ever

 

He's still universally considered a top quarterback if not the best quarterback in the world by pundits 

 

Trubisky isn't in the top 40... Andy Reid isn't winning eight games with trubisky

Edited Friday at 02:23 AM by Buffalo716

[Mikie2times]

36 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

That's literally horse**** seeing as we went to the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor

 

Sean McDermott has the most top five defenses in NFL history for creating turnovers in his first 16 years as a defensive coordinator or head coach 

 

he does a lot with what he has to work with and the difference between us winning and losing a super bowl has been luck recently 

 

It takes as much luck as skill to win it.. Tom Brady's helmet catch says hello and wide right says hi 

 

 the bills 100% have enough talent to beat any team in the NFL it's going to come down to how healthy we are and who gets the bounces 

 

 

From 2015-2017, Taylor had 65 TD's and 14 INT's. He was limited sure, but lets not act like a guy like Taylor was some huge liability. He gave McD what he wanted which was clean football and yes, McD is the the the best +/- guy in football. He would raise the floor of most teams to .500 football and getting guys like Taylor to the playoffs, possibly even more often than he doesn't. But at that point he would get bounced. As much as McD raises a teams floor he lowers the ceiling. 

 

Luck is very overrated, 10 of the last 14 years the Patriots or Chiefs have won the AFC Championship. These team just execute better. They're more talented and better prepared. Which are all qualities "luck" tends to favor. Its rarely this random thing blowing in the wind. 

Edited Friday at 02:31 AM by Mikie2times

[NeverOutNick]

9 minutes ago, Lionel Hutz said:

Mahomes had one of his worst seasons last year and they still got the #1 seed.

Andy Reid ✅

Spags ✅

Refs ✅

[Buffalo716]

10 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

From 2015-2017, Taylor had 65 TD's and 14 INT's. He was limited sure, but lets not act like a guy like Taylor was some huge liability. He gave McD what he wanted which was clean football and yes, McD is the the the best +/- guy in football. He would raise the floor of most teams to .500 football and getting guys like Taylor to the playoffs, possibly even more often than he doesn't. But at that point he would get bounced. As much as McD raises a teams floor he lowers the ceiling. 

 

Luck is very overrated, 10 of the last 14 years the Patriots or Chiefs have won the AFC Championship. These team just execute better. They're more talented and better prepared. 

Those teams absolutely have plenty of luck lol

 

Sorry the Chiefs literally got the worst spot in NFL history on 4th down with Josh Allen's QB sneak 

 

And that's not the only time they've benefited from bad spots or questionable calls 

 

There are 15 minutes highlight videos of them benefiting from what could be considered luck or questionable calls 

 

Tom Brady had the Tuck rule , Tom Brady had Adam vinatieri kicking three or four big time winning kicks in the super bowl or AFC championship game... 

 

Tom Brady is Adam vinatieri having The yips to not winning his first couple super bowls... Vinatieri misses in the snow in the championship game versus the raiders, he misses one of his two super bowl winning kicks Tom Brady might not be a seven-time super bowl champion 

 

 Norwood misses it vinatieri makes it... A tiny Gap that changes history 

 

Tom Brady getting the tuck rule was luck that altered history 

 

 the Buffalo Bills are 100% good enough to beat the Chiefs and good enough to win a super bowl... Just because it didn't happen doesn't mean we're not good enough 

 

Only one team wins it every year and we absolutely have enough talent to win it... Hence health and luck is massive in the playoffs because the margin of error is nil.. when it's that small it takes things like luck and health

 

13 players on the injury report versus 4 for the Chiefs...

 

You're not going into Arrowhead and winning that hurt.. especially when you're not getting spots that a high school ref should make... 

 

The margin of error is already so small ... You're not beating bad spots while being very banged up 

 

Let's see the chiefs with 13 injuries on their report and get them in the playoffs.. they lost two players in their secondary and gabe Davis looked like Jerry Rice

 

We're missing two or three starters every single time we're playing them and other depth players... And the margin of error is too small to go on the road and make that up.. and we're still only losing barely... 

 

If we get the Chiefs without their starting corner, starting middle linebacker, and a safety we will trounce them

 

 

Edited Friday at 02:41 AM by Buffalo716

[Lionel Hutz]

9 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

As much as McD raises a teams floor he lowers the ceiling. 

Well said. Probably the best description of McD I've ever heard. 

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Those teams absolutely have plenty of luck lol

 

Sorry the Chiefs literally got the worst spot in NFL history on 4th down with Josh Allen's QB sneak 

 

And that's not the only time they've benefited from bad spots or questionable calls 

 

There are 15 minutes highlight videos of them benefiting from what could be considered luck or questionable calls 

 

Tom Brady had the Tuck rule , Tom Brady had Adam vinatieri kicking three or four big time winning kicks in the super bowl or AFC championship game... 

 

Tom Brady is Adam vinatieri having The yips to not winning his first couple super bowls... Vinatieri misses in the snow in the championship game versus the raiders, he misses one of his two super bowl winning kicks Tom Brady might not be a seven-time super bowl champion 

 

 Norwood misses it vinatieri makes it... A tiny Gap that changes history 

 

Tom Brady getting the tuck rule was luck that altered history 

 

 the Buffalo Bills are 100% good enough to beat the Chiefs and good enough to win a super bowl... Just because it didn't happen doesn't mean we're not good enough 

 

Only one team wins it every year and we absolutely have enough talent to win it... Hence health and luck is massive in the playoffs because the margin of error is nil.. when it's that small it takes things like luck and health

I mean, the things you're talking about contributed to a couple seasons, in a dynasty. If your logic is to look at something like the tuck rule and say, SEE! It's luck the Patriots had a dynasty. That just doesn't seem to be rational. Even further off the boat is playing the hypothetical game with what Vinatieri and Norwood. Norwood missed because he usually missed that kick on grass from that distance. As we watched later, Vinatieri ended up being the most clutch kicker in NFL history. What happened in those situations is the better player executed. That simple. 

[Buffalo716]

13 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I mean, the things you're talking about contributed to a couple seasons, in a dynasty. If your logic is to look at something like the tuck rule and say, SEE! It's luck the Patriots had a dynasty. That just doesn't seem to be rational. Even further off the boat is playing the hypothetical game with what Vinatieri and Norwood. Norwood missed because he usually missed that kick on grass from that distance. As we watched later, Vinatieri ended up being the most clutch kicker in NFL history. What happened in those situations is the better player executed. That simple. 

Adam vinatieri's kick in the snow storm versus the raiders was absolutely not something that gets made every single kick lol that took a little bit of Lady luck even if he's one of the best ever 

 

Like I said we've literally played the Chiefs in the playoffs without Bernard and Benford and rapp , and davis..with taron Johnson  nursing a concussion, and Rasul Douglas banged up lol and we had to play AJ Klein out of retirement covering Travis Kelce

 

Let's get the Chiefs without three key contributors on defense and a bunch banged up and we will route them by 10 plus...  we lost by a field goal while getting terrible spots

 

They are not head and shoulders better than us if they were they would have beaten our injured team off the field.. we literally clawed tooth and nail and lost by three... We get them with fresh injuries and we are routing them

Edited Friday at 02:52 AM by Buffalo716

[Mikie2times]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Adam vinatieri's kick in the snow storm versus the raiders was absolutely not something that gets made every single kick lol that took a little bit of Lady luck even if he's one of the best ever 

 

Like I said we've literally played the Chiefs in the playoffs without Bernard and Benford and rapp , and davis..with taron Johnson  nursing a concussion, and Rasul Douglas banged up lol and we had to play AJ Klein out of retirement covering Travis Kelce

 

Let's get the Chiefs without three key contributors on defense and a bunch banged up and we will route them by 10 plus...  we lost by a field goal while getting terrible spots

 

 

When Milano or Bernard or Benford or Rapp or Bosa or Tre White get hurt its not bad luck. We have injury prone players and we keep extending these players. That isn't bad luck.

Edited Friday at 02:55 AM by Mikie2times

[Buffalo716]

9 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

When Milano or Bernard or Benford or Rapp or Bosa or Tre White get hurt its not bad luck. We have injury prone players and we keep extending these players. That isn't bad luck.

 von Miller ripping his ACL apart on a terrible turf field is bad luck not anything that made him injury prone

 

Matt Milano getting bent backwards and snapping his leg in half is not injury prone it's bad luck... Matt Milano tearing his bicep off the bone is not injury prone it is bad luck 

 

It has nothing to do with his training or his technique... It was wrong place wrong time which is in fact luck...

 

Injury prone would be Matt Milano meets a guy in the hole and never gets up all the time... That's not what happens 

 

Tre white yes at this point his lower body seems to be an injury waiting... Milanos and Vons injuries and Benfords are not a case of injury prone 

 

It's bad timing and it's why football is a violent game...

 

But if we get them without their middle linebacker corner and safety we will trounce them.. they barely beat us

 

 

 

Edited Friday at 03:05 AM by Buffalo716

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Lionel Hutz said:

The Tyrod team needed a miracle from the Bungles to get that playoff spot in the last week of the season. We also scored 3 points in that playoff game. 

 

Serious question, do you think this current roster would make the playoffs playing 17 games with Trubisky or White at QB?

 

Also, if McD is such a great defense coach why is it that his defense is the reason we have lost in the playoffs the last 4 seasons?

I don’t think the eagles, chiefs or ravens would either.  Do you?

Edited Friday at 03:18 AM by NewEra

[Captain Caveman]

28 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

When Milano or Bernard or Benford or Rapp or Bosa or Tre White get hurt its not bad luck. We have injury prone players and we keep extending these players. That isn't bad luck.

 

In the NFL, (almost) any player who plays long enough will be injury prone.

[Buffalo716]

28 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I don’t think the eagles, chiefs or ravens would either.  Do you?

Exactly the eagles Chiefs or Ravens with Mike White are winning five six games

 

7 if they're extremely lucky

Edited Friday at 03:46 AM by Buffalo716

[uticaclub]

2 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

Wouldn’t it be ugly right now if Josh retired tomorrow? The NFL QB is somehow even more important than most realize. 

If the Saints and Bills traded coaches, not much changes; if they traded QBs NOLA is talking Super Bowl & Buffalo is talking Arch Manning

[Richard Noggin]

We look backwards at what HAS happened already, analyzing, ideally, the quantitative results and trends and patterns, and then we use all that (hopefully) to form (or often solely to justify) our qualitative/subjective assessments and comparisons and rankings and such. 

 

The thing many sports fans (and moreover, many people in general) get wrong, is that old legal and financial services TV commercial disclaimer: "Past performance does not guarantee future results." 

 

Thus, oftentimes, we erroneously qualify/judge/label some players as injury prone, while others are simply unlucky. As though the physics of football and all its millions of compounding variables are somehow controllable and/or evidence of something concretely knowable and pre-determined, some fixed quality or flaw in particular players that is more influential than the sheer magnitude of math involved. 

[QCity]

There was a lot of wishful thinking going on with Tre this offseason. It's a nice feel-good story, but he was done 2 seasons ago.

[Mango]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

You just made my point that it takes as much luck as skill .. we got in on luck just as other teams have won in the playoffs with it... The Giants backed in at 9 and 7 got hot and got all the breaks on their way to a super bowl... We haven't had luck since that Bengals 4th down attempt

 

The Chiefs wouldn't make the playoffs with white or trubisky and neither would the eagles 

 

You 100% need breaks going your way to win a super bowl throughout the postseason... In a game of inches where the talent margin is razor thin all it takes is a couple of bad breaks 

 

You're not going on the road with a more banged up roster, getting bad spots, and the ball's not bouncing your way... You're not going to win 

 

 it takes as much luck as skill to win a super bowl

 

Not exactly taking a side in this in regards to McBeane/Allen, I just find it a fun thought exercise.

 

But I think the Eagles make the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor. Their roster is stacked since Hurts contract hasn't hit the cap yet. In fact I'm fairly confident of it.

 

The Chiefs are interesting because I think they miss, but maybe only because of Nix/Payton and Herbert/Harbaugh in the division.

 

I think they're lock if they're in the AFCS and a maybe in the AFCE (a lot depends on Vrabel and Co).

 

 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

5 hours ago, Success said:

 

No idea where that's coming from. The Chicago preseason game?

 

They invested heavily in the D this offseason.  I think this could be one of our strongest D's in awhile.

 

 

I hope so...but it's frustrating to know there's zero accountability if it's horrible in January once again

[YattaOkasan]

3 hours ago, dayman said:

Tre didn’t walk on the leg. Without Tre we need another player. Perhaps for many many weeks to start the season. Something something Rasul

Did you listen to the Sal clip?  Said he walked up the tunnel to the locker room and then back to practice. After that he got in the front seat of the cart to get a ride to the field house.  Hoping this is a nothing major based on him walking around on it (particularly after the locker room). 

Edited Friday at 04:36 AM by YattaOkasan

[Special K]

43 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

Did you listen to the Sal clip?  Said he walked up the tunnel to the locker room and then back to practice. After that he got in the front seat of the cart to get a ride to the field house.  Hoping this is a nothing major based on him walking around on it (particularly after the locker room). 

 

Exactly......I don't understand why everyone has to freak out while only having partial information. The same thing happened with the "season-ending" injury to Hairston....until we hear otherwise, let's all calm down and hope he will be ready to go in two weeks vs. the Ravens.

[Bad Things]

2 hours ago, Special K said:

 

Exactly......I don't understand why everyone has to freak out while only having partial information. The same thing happened with the "season-ending" injury to Hairston....until we hear otherwise, let's all calm down and hope he will be ready to go in two weeks vs. the Ravens.

It's because there's a bunch of spineless morons on this site nowadays.