Early returns on 2024 Draft is awful

[SectionC3]

8 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

Sure looks like he got picked naturally when the wr switched, then the wr beat him inside and then hamlin cuts him off when he dives to make an attempt at the tackle.

 

 

Joe A. didn't exactly help him out, but I'm not sure that Joe A. wasn't supposed to follow the eyes there. 

[billsfan89]

4 hours ago, bigK14094 said:

Bishop was the pick over DeJean....McD wanted DeJean......I think this one is at Beans desk.

 

They would have had to trade up for DeJean or take him 33rd overall. DeJean was taken 40th Bishop was 60th. 

[Delete_Delete_Delete]

Beane’s just not that good at drafting. He’s not the worst, but he’s also very far from the best. He basically lucked into Josh, and most of his other picks have been alright at best.  

[JohnNord]

9 hours ago, Ben said:

It seems like Carter was looking pretty good last year prior to his injury. Hopefully he gets back to at least solid rotational guy. But bishop needs to show something fast

I have never been impressed with Carter.

 

Watch his reps against lineman that will be cut in a few weeks.  He was blown off the ball a few times.  Now compare Carter to another prospect like Deone Walker.  He too was blown off the ball vs. the run.  However he did show several flashes getting after the QB.  He’s not ready to start but you can find a role for him.  
 

I can’t say the same thing about Carter,  I'm not sure he is in the roster beyond week 8.   

21 minutes ago, Delete_Delete_Delete said:

Beane’s just not that good at drafting. He’s not the worst, but he’s also very far from the best. He basically lucked into Josh, and most of his other picks have been alright at best.  

That’s not really true.  With a few exceptions, he’s been solid.  There’s a lot of B’s and a few B+’s.  
 

His problem continues to be that beyond Josh, he doesn’t really have an A or A+ pick on the roster.  His defense is that Buffalo has been picking toward the bottom of the draft over the past 5 seasons.  This is a factor.  But at some point he needs to really find 1-2 All Pro players.  This is what is lacking on his resume IMO

[Delete_Delete_Delete]

4 hours ago, JohnNord said:

 

That’s not really true.  With a few exceptions, he’s been solid.  There’s a lot of B’s and a few B+’s.  
 

His problem continues to be that beyond Josh, he doesn’t really have an A or A+ pick on the roster.  His defense is that Buffalo has been picking toward the bottom of the draft over the past 5 seasons.  This is a factor.  But at some point he needs to really find 1-2 All Pro players.  This is what is lacking on his resume IMO

 

Groot is solid, but no OC’s are game planning for him like a top tier DE, but I’d give him a B.

James Cook is legit…

After that, excluding Josh, his resume for the first few rounds is less than stellar.

 

Edmunds

Oliver, who given his top 10 draft status has underperformed.

Elam

Kincaid who is running the risk of venturing into bust category without a breakout year

AJ Mehpenesa

Cody Ford 

Boogie Basham

 

That’s a lot of high end draft capital, and as the OP mentioned, last years class isn’t look so hot at this point. You’d like to give them the benefit of the doubt, but this teams track record of developing its day 1/2 picks doesn’t leave me feeling to optimistic for Carter or Bishop, I still think Keon can contribute, but would’ve rather had Worthy, Ladd or traded up for BTJ, Coleman was not a guy I was keen on but I can think Josh can get the most out of him. 

 

[mannc]

11 hours ago, finn said:

I didn't say he was. I said he was dropped out of the first round, meaning that Beane could have moved up to pick him after he took Coleman. In hindsight, giving up the third to move up would have worked out, since Carter has disappointed so far. I would trade Bishop and Carter right now for DeJean, wouldn't you? 

How do you know Beane could have traded up to get DeJean?  How do you know he will be end up being better than Bishop?

[syhuang]

5 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Joe A. didn't exactly help him out, but I'm not sure that Joe A. wasn't supposed to follow the eyes there. 

 

 

[VW82]

I agree. It's still early, but one season plus most of a second off season and preseason is enough to form an opinion. 

 

Keon looks improved but he's going to take time to learn all the nuances one needs to win without speed. Bishop and Carter are behind the eight ball. Ray Davis is ok. SVPG is TBD. Ulofoshio looks like a bust. Solomon struggles vs. the run and isn't getting as much pressure as one would hope for a one trick pony. Grable is super interesting but hurt. I like our 2025 class much better, or at least have more hope.

Edited August 19 by VW82

[Pete]

4 hours ago, syhuang said:

 

 

3) The tape speaks for itself on the tackle attempt downfield

Edited August 19 by Pete

[finn]

5 hours ago, mannc said:

How do you know Beane could have traded up to get DeJean?  How do you know he will be end up being better than Bishop?

The inherent ambiguities of English are at play here. I meant "could have" to mean "might have been able to," while you read "could have" to mean "able to." As for being better than Bishop, I don't know for sure, just as I don't know Elam won't end up being better than McDuffie. 

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, finn said:

The inherent ambiguities of English are at play here. I meant "could have" to mean "might have been able to," while you read "could have" to mean "able to." As for being better than Bishop, I don't know for sure, just as I don't know Elam won't end up being better than McDuffie. 

 

I think DeJean was a totally different tier of prospect to Bishop personally. I had a first round grade on DeJean and a 3rd round grade on Bishop. They both went in round 2 in reality but I don't think that makes them comparable in that sense. 

 

The question with DeJean is whether he is really a safety. He played nickel for the Eagles last year and I think the reason he slid to day 2 was because some teams struggled to pigeon hole him positionally. 

[Da webster guy]

Carter hasnt been healthy enough but flashed some talent his rookie season.   
 

No mention of ray davis or solomon?   Cmon bro.   Way too early to judge a class, although Bishop looks lost right now and in a redraft we dont take the guy.  

[DCofNC]

Let’s not forget, they traded down out of the first round, missing on other options to “get back” the third they wasted on Cooper.  Which all stemmed from not being able to draft well in the early rounds since Allen was picked.  I hate to break it to everyone, but the evaluation of talent is atrocious for this team.  Take away Allen and this regime is gone 4 years ago.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Let’s not forget, they traded down out of the first round, missing on other options to “get back” the third they wasted on Cooper.  Which all stemmed from not being able to draft well in the early rounds since Allen was picked.  I hate to break it to everyone, but the evaluation of talent is atrocious for this team.  Take away Allen and this regime is gone 4 years ago.

 

Nope. They traded down out of the first round to get back the third they spent on Douglas. They traded their 2025 third for Cooper. 

[JGMcD2]

10 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Let’s not forget, they traded down out of the first round, missing on other options to “get back” the third they wasted on Cooper.  Which all stemmed from not being able to draft well in the early rounds since Allen was picked.  I hate to break it to everyone, but the evaluation of talent is atrocious for this team.  Take away Allen and this regime is gone 4 years ago.

You're not breaking anything to anyone, you're just plain wrong. 

Beane misses less than his peers, it's that simple. You want to argue about finding elite talent, that's fine. Suggesting they haven't found above average talent is just dishonest. 

[DCofNC]

21 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Nope. They traded down out of the first round to get back the third they spent on Douglas. They traded their 2025 third for Cooper. 

Correct, my bad.  Still the consequences of having no talent at a position they wasted a first round pick on.

[YattaOkasan]

8 hours ago, Delete_Delete_Delete said:

 

Groot is solid, but no OC’s are game planning for him like a top tier DE, but I’d give him a B.

James Cook is legit…

After that, excluding Josh, his resume for the first few rounds is less than stellar.

 

Edmunds

Oliver, who given his top 10 draft status has underperformed.

Elam

Kincaid who is running the risk of venturing into bust category without a breakout year

AJ Mehpenesa

Cody Ford 

Boogie Basham

 

That’s a lot of high end draft capital, and as the OP mentioned, last years class isn’t look so hot at this point. You’d like to give them the benefit of the doubt, but this teams track record of developing its day 1/2 picks doesn’t leave me feeling to optimistic for Carter or Bishop, I still think Keon can contribute, but would’ve rather had Worthy, Ladd or traded up for BTJ, Coleman was not a guy I was keen on but I can think Josh can get the most out of him. 

 

Now do the rest of day 2 since you brought it up.  

Spencer Brown (top 5 at position)

Devin Singeltary (Average Starter)

Dawson Knox (Above Average Starter)

Zack Moss (Above Average Backup)

Terrel Bernard (Above average Green Dot Starter)

Dorian Williams (Above Average Backup, likely starter next year)

Dewayne Carter (Below Average Backup > still time)

Landon Jackson (way too early to tell)

 

Doing pretty good in this round with a top 5 player and multiple starters.  I also wish he would do better in round 1 and 2 but the reality is he hit at the most important position on a bet that was universally panned.  Combined with very good day 3 drafting results in Beane being one of the top 5 drafters in the league (as documented by multiple metrics). 

7 hours ago, syhuang said:

 

 

Pretty much what I said in the other thread lol.  Ive been watching too much cover 1.

[thenorthremembers]

Holy hell can the season start already.   Talk to me about the 2024 draft in 2027.  

[DCofNC]

14 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

You're not breaking anything to anyone, you're just plain wrong. 

Beane misses less than his peers, it's that simple. You want to argue about finding elite talent, that's fine. Suggesting they haven't found above average talent is just dishonest. 

No, you are the definition of a fan.  You are blind to the fact this team is filled with average talent that is elevated by Allen.   Beane has whiffed consistently on the top end of the draft.   You can beat the “more players in the league than others” drum all you want, the facts are the facts.  Yet, there is next to zero top level talent on this team that Beane brought in, especially if you consider the number of swings he’s taken at positions and consistently missed.  
 

His ONLY claims to fame are Benford, who was a nice 6th round pick, but that’s not so exciting when you wasted a 1st round pick in the same draft on a CB that essentially never saw the field in the Bills uniform and Cook, who was his 3rd swing at RB with zero hits there too. 

 

This team is full of “good” players and no difference makers.  The reason this team get bounced, year after year by more talented teams is THEY ARE LESS TALENTED.   The reason this team is LAST in available cap space and has exactly 3 guys anyone outside of Buffalo might know on the roster (and that’s actually debatable as most don’t know OL) is piss poor drafting of elite talent.  They keep trying to sign their own talent, which only perpetuates the cycle of mediocre talent.   Who’s else is super pumped to have top 10 pick, definition of mediocre, Ed Oliver locked up? Or Mr. Glass with 2/3 of a season of above average production on tape at off the ball LB, locked up?  
 

Believe what you want, until this team gets real talent in the draft, they will continue to be a brides maid.  Beane’s blind eye at WR, DE, S, CB and DT will again be the reason this team will be bounced before the SB, because Allen can only carry two sub par talented sides of the ball so far. 

[DCofNC]

5 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

Now do the rest of day 2 since you brought it up.  

Spencer Brown (top 5 at position)

Devin Singeltary (Average Starter)

Dawson Knox (Above Average Starter)

Zack Moss (Above Average Backup)

Terrel Bernard (Above average Green Dot Starter)

Dorian Williams (Above Average Backup, likely starter next year)

Dewayne Carter (Below Average Backup > still time)

Landon Jackson (way too early to tell)

 

Doing pretty good in this round with a top 5 player and multiple starters.  I also wish he would do better in round 1 and 2 but the reality is he hit at the most important position on a bet that was universally panned.  Combined with very good day 3 drafting results in Beane being one of the top 5 drafters in the league (as documented by multiple metrics). 

Pretty much what I said in the other thread lol.  Ive been watching too much cover 1.

You have your Bills fan glasses on.

 

Singletary is below average as a starter.

 

Knox is barely average and certainly not above average as a starter and is massively overpaid.

 

Zack Moss, you are really arguing the “success” of spending a 3rd round pick on a guy that’s on what, his 4th team?  He’s a nice story for a guy who grinds it out, but was a complete bust here and that’s really all that matters.

 

Bernard is average.  There is nothing above average about him, especially with all the injuries.

 

Dorian Williams is not above average as a back up and is not going to be starting ( or we might as well mail the season in), I like the guy, but let’s just be real, great athlete, but can’t take a job on one of the worst LB depth charts in the league.

 

DeWayne Carter is going to be lucky to be in the league by the end of camp.