If you are cutting Hamlin, do it now...

[FormerLV-BILLS]

It's OK, as long as the Bills have 400 rotational, and average, defensive lineman, with another 240 rotational, and below average, defensive lineman on the practice squad......well.......that'll fix everythng.  Apparently that fixes one of the most mediocre WR corps in the league as well.  As asked by Pam Oliver last night.

 

If Josh Allen isn't on this team, it's 3-4 win team.

 

I fear we are going to get the same exact result as every other year.  Same failing blueprint when you have a guy like Allen as your QB.

 

 

Edited August 18 by FormerLV-BILLS

[BillsFooteball]

The issue is nobody else is stepping up. Safety is by far the largest concern going into season. I said it a couple times now, when starters are in I’m used to Hamlin being weakest link however, he is one of the worse players on field last night even when it was bears backups. He should not be starting but the concern is who at safety has performed even average? Not looking for all pro, average would be nice. 

[Brand J]

10 minutes ago, FormerLV-BILLS said:

If Josh Allen isn't on this team, it's 3-4 win team.

This is only true if our starting QB is Shane Buechele. The roster isn’t devoid of talent, not to mention we play in the weak AFC LEast.

[JP51]

9 hours ago, Joe Marino said:

I’ll say this about him. He does not contribute to winning.

I would go further... our secondary is just terrible (including our LBs in coverage) he is part of the problem. 

[Bruffalo]

The truth of it is probably somewhere in the middle.

Hamlin is just good enough to be a viable in our scheme. That being said, if the defensive front isn't generating pressure then Hamlin is going to get exposed, hard.

 

It used to be that our safeties and secondary helped hide all the problems we had with our defensive line. Now we need it to be the opposite.

 

Whether or not it's going to work remains to be seen.

[boyst]

57 minutes ago, T master said:

I'd think they are looking at every aspect of the D and if what you say is true than why in some games last year did the D come up pretty big in somme games and not others ?

 

As the players such as Josh & others have said, the other guy get paid too to stop them and are very good at what they do . I hope that the younger guys get the D down by mid season to dominate throughout the rest of the season .

the matchup of our defense against the offense; especially certain QB's. Tua, Jackson, and others cannot process our defense like others or teams better run on offense lie the Rams, Chiefs, and yesterdays Bears.

[billsfan89]

Hamlin by all accounts is a solid Special Teams player and as a backup he's a solid player if you gotta plug him in for injury. He's a cheap good backup who adds value on Special Teams. Not sure who is that much better off the bench? Are we really that thrilled with Forest or the rookie or Lewis? 

[sullim4]

7 minutes ago, Brand J said:

This is only true if our starting QB is Shane Buechele. The roster isn’t devoid of talent, not to mention we play in the weak AFC LEast.

 

I tend to agree - this is a purgatory team similar to the Fitz-era Bills without Allen.  6 to 9 wins, showing up "in the hunt" towards the end of the season.

 

Note how the media said the Cook signing was all about taking the pressure off of Allen.  The problem all along has been a travesty of a defense in the playoffs giving up 30+ points a game.  That has always been the problem with Allen feeling the need to put on the cape, and you'd think someone - anyone - would notice this and call them out about it.

 

Sadly, we are where we are and you can expect more of the same this year.

[FormerLV-BILLS]

6 minutes ago, Brand J said:

This is only true if our starting QB is Shane Buechele. The roster isn’t devoid of talent, not to mention we play in the weak AFC LEast.

It's 100% true. 

 

Trubisky has proven to be awful throughout his career.  Mike White was already that crappy AFC East QB, and would quickly shift to the worst in the division.  And yeah, Buechele blows.  He's camp fodder.

 

3-4 wins without Allen.  The Bills have one stud on this team.  To me, that's mind boggling 8 years into a regime.

 

They get credit for Allen for sure.  But geez, otherwise, it's a collection of medicore talent all over the field.  I mean, really, with all of the WR injuries that the Bills have had, does it really matter which three are left out there starting?  They have like 12 WR's on the roster, it seems, and all of them are mediocre.   And really, none look better than Shavers. 

 

To me, it's just as frustrating not equipping Allen with talent than it is not making the playoffs for almost 2 decades.  Just my opinion.

 

The same result is coming again from the same exact blueprint we've tried for the last 7 years. 

[bigduke6]

imagine at some point we wont have to worry about Hamlin not playing well.  Rapp will most likely take him out in a friendly fire hit with the rest of our defensive backfield.  ive never been more convinced that this team isnt going anyplace before a season starts.  the safeties are brutal.  i want Po and Hyde from 4 years ago to show up ready to play.  

 

this team is going to waste a MVP/future HoF QB.  the story will be sadder than Marino's.  five years from now when Josh isnt MVP caliber anymore,  the fans will look back and wonder why the defense wasnt better.  why the front office didnt or couldnt go get that game wrecker that the D has always needed.  

[BananaB]

Hamlin should have never been resigned, same can be said about Dane Jackson. Both not very good and you should be looking to upgrade even if it’s only depth players. They are a liability and always have been. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

40 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

Hamlin by all accounts is a solid Special Teams player and as a backup he's a solid player if you gotta plug him in for injury. He's a cheap good backup who adds value on Special Teams. Not sure who is that much better off the bench? Are we really that thrilled with Forest or the rookie or Lewis? 

Honestly, last night I thought Hancock looked solid. I would be tempted to see him in there against a first team offense. 

[BearNorth]

Is Micah Hyde at this point worse than any of our rostered safeties not named Rapp.

[Captain Hindsight]

41 minutes ago, FormerLV-BILLS said:

It's 100% true. 

 

Trubisky has proven to be awful throughout his career.  Mike White was already that crappy AFC East QB, and would quickly shift to the worst in the division.  And yeah, Buechele blows.  He's camp fodder.

 

3-4 wins without Allen.  The Bills have one stud on this team.  To me, that's mind boggling 8 years into a regime.

 

They get credit for Allen for sure.  But geez, otherwise, it's a collection of medicore talent all over the field.  I mean, really, with all of the WR injuries that the Bills have had, does it really matter which three are left out there starting?  They have like 12 WR's on the roster, it seems, and all of them are mediocre.   And really, none look better than Shavers. 

 

To me, it's just as frustrating not equipping Allen with talent than it is not making the playoffs for almost 2 decades.  Just my opinion.

 

The same result is coming again from the same exact blueprint we've tried for the last 7 years. 

If you take away the teams best player, they will probably suck

 

Hot take there 

1 minute ago, BearNorth said:

Is Micah Hyde at this point worse than any of our rostered safeties not named Rapp.

Since he’s retired and has a bad neck, yeah, he’s not of value on a football field 

[billsfan89]

9 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Honestly, last night I thought Hancock looked solid. I would be tempted to see him in there against a first team offense. 

 

I won't put too much stock into pre-season against backups but I wouldn't hate seeing what the rookie has in game 3. It's pre-season so why not take a risk? I doubt they will start him but I also think Hamlin being a decent backup and good ST player is valuable enough for a depth safety spot. Fans acting like for 2 million salary the Bills had so many better options. 

[SCBills]

Guys like Damar Hamlin and Joe Andreesen are a problem for this team.

 

They value reliable guys like this for depth, which isn’t a terrible idea.. but these guys are depth for starters that have lengthy injury histories. 
 

We need more upside in those areas and I wish McDermott/Beane would take some risks and go with a Hancock over a Hamlin when given the chance. 

[Yobogoya!]

3 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

Yep. And bring back Doug Whaley or Buddy Nix and cut his a**

 

People on this forum like to s--- on Whaley, but he had an eye for talent. Particularly in pro personnel. 

[Buffalo03]

1 hour ago, uticaclub said:

Poyer & Hyde were signed under Whaley. 

Yes, but those were moreso a McDermott signings. Just like I believe that draft was more a McDermott draft than a Whaley draft. Whaley sucked every free agency and draft he was here but in 2017 he just managed to nail it all around right before he left? Lol. I don't think so

[uticaclub]

1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:

Yes, but those were moreso a McDermott signings. Just like I believe that draft was more a McDermott draft than a Whaley draft. Whaley sucked every free agency and draft he was here but in 2017 he just managed to nail it all around right before he left? Lol. I don't think so

Whaley missed on EJ and doubled down on Watkins. That was his downfall. Whaley did a much better job in free agency, but Beane found the QB.

[Buffalo03]

3 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

 

People on this forum like to s--- on Whaley, but he had an eye for talent. Particularly in pro personnel. 

And did what with it in the 4 years he was here? What about Donahoe? He brought in some great talent to. What happened?

Just now, uticaclub said:

Whaley missed on EJ and doubled down on Watkins. That was his downfall. Whaley did a much better job in free agency, but Beane found the QB.

Beane has done more than fined the QB. He has nailed mid to late round draft picks nearly every season. He made a trade for Diggs which was huge in Allen's development. Like come on, really?