WGR Discussing McD's job security

[FLFan]

There is no more secure coach in the NFL than McDermott. Pegula is not firing him.  

[Doc Brown]

I know Pegula won't do it but this was finally the year where I'm on board with firing McDermott if the offense is great while the defense melts in a playoff loss again.  The sample size is big enough now.  The last five playoff losses Mahomes and Burrow shredded this defense and the offense was superb in at least three of those five games.  Fair or not, he's a former defensive coordinator and he's been out coached on the offensive side of the ball by Reid at least three of the four losses.  That Divisional game in '24 where they were picking on AJ Klein I'll forgive for injuries.  

 

I guess the question then becomes who?  I'd prefer someone with a background in offense.  Do we promote Brady if he has another strong year to ensure Allen has the same system the next few years?  Do we look for an offensive minded former head coach?  An up and coming offensive coordinator from another team?  The college ranks?  Do we dare go the defensive route like Dan Quinn?  I guess you don't fire him unless you already know who you're going to hire imo. 

[Bruffalo]

The only way he loses his job in the immediate future (2ish seasons) is if he and Allen have some kind of major falling out. I can't see any other realistic situation where he's replaced.

 

Maybe if he went on another 9/11 tirade in the middle of a press conference or something.

 

I don't even really love McD as a coach but I don't Pegula doing anything bold.  

 

 

Edited August 8 by Bruffalo

[Logic]

I'm curious:

How many Bills playoff losses do most Bills fans think the Bills "should have" won?

For me, I think it's two. The 13 seconds game and the 2024 AFCCG.

Every other playoff exit was justified, in my opinion. Meaning I feel the Bills simply weren't as good as the other team and/or didn't "deserve" to win.

But that's at least one, and potentially two Super Bowl appearances right there. Fumbling away one or two Super Bowl opportunities is a serious issue.

Is two the consensus for number of playoff losses the Bills should've won?

Edited August 8 by Logic

[Dillenger4]

5 minutes ago, BillytheKid said:

If he doesn’t get to the Super Biwl this year he will get fired. People can not like it all they want but it’s the reality. 
 

You can’t keep doing the same things over and over again and keep getting the same result and think things will change. You have to do something different eventually. They aren’t going to get rid of Josh obviously so they will go with a different head coach. 
 

It happens all the time in sports to good coaches when they keep taking their teams far but never get over the hump, they let the coach go eventually and hire someone else they feel will get them over that hump.

 

Mcdermott has been a great coach in most aspects but if there is same thing happens in the playoffs this year then they will need to make a change somewhere and they have already tried multiple OC’s and DC’s now. So he is the next in line. 
 

No matter how good you do if you don’t get where you need to get to at some point every one needs a new change of scenery and to try something different. 
 

You can’t keep getting to the ACF championship and losing and not doing something different.

 

Josh Allen is the only QB in history to win 7 playoff games and NOT play in a Super Bowl. 
 

Mcdermott and Chuck Knox are the only 2 head coaches to win 7 playoff games and not play in a Super Bowl. 
 

Also no head coaching and QB duo has ever not won a Super Bowl with in the first 5 years playing and coaching together ever. 
 

So the only people not liking this or putting a red X on peoples takes are people who don’t know sports or football. 

Not so sure about this take.

Sad part is the sport is also a business and business be gooooood.

 

McD ain't going anywhere anytime soon.

 

1 minute ago, Logic said:

I'm curious:

How many Bills playoff losses do most Bills fans think the Bills "should have" won?

For me, I think it's two. The 13 seconds game and the 2024 AFCCG.

Every other playoff exit was justified, in my opinion. Meaning I feel the Bills simply weren't as good as the other team and/or didn't "deserve" to win.

Is two the consensus?

whos on first?

[BigAl2526]

The odds of finding a better head coach than McDermott on the first try are not good, so unless there is a clear and compelling reason to can him, it would be stupid to do so.  Continuity is always a better option until it isn't.

[Bruffalo]

1 minute ago, Logic said:

I'm curious:

How many Bills playoff losses do most Bills fans think the Bills "should have" won?

For me, I think it's two. The 13 seconds game and the 2024 AFCCG.

Every other playoff exit was justified, in my opinion. Meaning I feel the Bills simply weren't as good as the other team and/or didn't "deserve" to win.

Is two the consensus?

Two is fair.

 

You might argue the divisional game against the Chiefs was winnable if Diggs gets that big catch but honestly the defense was such trash that who knows if it would have mattered.

 

The only constant in all of those games is that Allen has been great to phenomenal.

[BillytheKid]

10 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Does the rest of the post matter when the first sentence misses this badly? Regardless of what side you're on with such an outcome, I would bet my life he will not get fired even if he loses in the wild card round. 

We can agree to disagree. What I will say is if he is still here after they lose in the playoffs again then the Bills won’t be winning a Super Bowl ever with him as the coach. So hopefully he can somehow beat history this year an get it done. 
 

Otherwise I think he is gone. My opinion. Maybe I should phrase it more as he should be fired. Maybe he won’t be because the owner doesn’t have enough balls to do it. 

Edited August 8 by BillytheKid

[That's No Moon]

Just now, BigAl2526 said:

The odds of finding a better head coach than McDermott on the first try are not good, so unless there is a clear and compelling reason to can him, it would be stupid to do so.  Continuity is always a better option until it isn't.

It's important to remember. Terry has absolutely NO IDEA what he's doing on that front and he 100% lucked into the arrangement he has.  Asking him to replicate that in any way is unlikely.

[Chandler#81]

1 hour ago, ChevyVanMiller said:

It would have been far more interesting if they had McDermott and Beane on to talk about Schoop and Bulldog's job security.

Best response!

 

McD will likely achieve his 100th win this season, and will for sure by next year. 100 wins in 10 or less seasons is HOF level. 
This attempt at a rabble-rousing thread is rightly floundering

[T master]

1 hour ago, Virgil said:

Was listening to WGR yesterday and someone called into ask what Schoop and Bulldog would need to see happen for McD to get fired after this season.  There answer and reasoning honestly surprised me, and also seemed like a course correction from prior years from them.

 

They both stated that the Bills switching to the new stadium next year should prevent McD from being fired under most circumstances, even missing the playoffs.  They both stated that a catastrophic PR issue or the entire team falling off a cliff could change things, but that's about it.

 

I know we have a thread about McD every year,  and even I've been thinking about this more since last years playoff exit.  To me, if we get knocked out of the playoffs again and the defense is the main reason why (giving up 25+ points again), then I think it's time to move on from McD.  I'm not a McD hater by any means.  I will always be grateful for the culture he's brought to this team and the winning we've since pulling us from the drought.  However, if our D (his specialty) fails us again, then I feel very confident to say that McD has taken us as far as he can as a coach.  It doesn't mean he's a bad coach, just means he's not a Superbowl caliber coach.  I know McD would get hired almost immediately by another team that is looking to recreate the Buffalo success and we would be taking a chance on anyone else.  But I also believe we would have our choice of HC candidates.  

 

I guess I'm just at the point where these playoffs losses haven't been talent related so much as they've been outcoached and outschemed.  We put so much focus on the defensive roster over the years, especially this year, that it's time to put up or shut up.  If not, then we are just defining insanity by running it back.

Haters are just going to hate ! McD is a huge part of the reason why this team and region is getting a brand new stadium because he has the team winning every year and are 1 of only 2 teams that for the last 5 + years have made the play offs and they want to talk about firing the guy or what would it take REALLY ?? 

 

That's just foolish ! That's like saying Josh can't get it done and can't beat the Chiefs so get rid of him . Or if he has a bad season trade him because he can't win or can't win the big game ...

 

Every one but the Buffalo haters realize how good McD is, just yesterday they had Nate Burleson on 1 Bills Live and he said McD is the real deal !! You can't never make a hater happy if McD wins the big game they would still complain about something he did, sometimes you just can't please them all !! 

[Doc Brown]

4 minutes ago, Logic said:

I'm curious:

How many Bills playoff losses do most Bills fans think the Bills "should have" won?

For me, I think it's two. The 13 seconds game and the 2024 AFCCG.

Every other playoff exit was justified, in my opinion. Meaning I feel the Bills simply weren't as good as the other team and/or didn't "deserve" to win.

But that's at least one, and potentially two Super Bowl appearances right there. Fumbling away one or two Super Bowl opportunities is a serious issue.

Is two the consensus for number of playoff losses the Bills should've won?

Yeah.  Win one of those and he wouldn't be anywhere near the "public" hot seat (at least by the vast majority of fans).  

[Buffalo Ballin]

11 minutes ago, BillytheKid said:

If he doesn’t get to the Super Biwl this year he will get fired. People can not like it all they want but it’s the reality. 
 

You can’t keep doing the same things over and over again and keep getting the same result and think things will change. You have to do something different eventually. They aren’t going to get rid of Josh obviously so they will go with a different head coach. 
 

It happens all the time in sports to good coaches when they keep taking their teams far but never get over the hump, they let the coach go eventually and hire someone else they feel will get them over that hump.

 

Mcdermott has been a great coach in most aspects but if there is same thing happens in the playoffs this year then they will need to make a change somewhere and they have already tried multiple OC’s and DC’s now. So he is the next in line. 
 

No matter how good you do if you don’t get where you need to get to at some point every one needs a new change of scenery and to try something different. 
 

You can’t keep getting to the ACF championship and losing and not doing something different.

 

Josh Allen is the only QB in history to win 7 playoff games and NOT play in a Super Bowl. 
 

Mcdermott and Chuck Knox are the only 2 head coaches to win 7 playoff games and not play in a Super Bowl. 
 

Also no head coaching and QB duo has ever not won a Super Bowl with in the first 5 years playing and coaching together ever. 
 

So the only people not liking this or putting a red X on peoples takes are people who don’t know sports or football. 

Good coaches get canned ALL the time. If not, somehow they leave no matter what. Bills Mafia still don't understand that for some odd reason.

 

A healthy Josh Allen and a good o-line are the MAJOR reasons why we're here.

[Dillenger4]

1 minute ago, That's No Moon said:

It's important to remember. Terry has absolutely NO IDEA what he's doing on that front and he 100% lucked into the arrangement he has.  Asking him to replicate that in any way is unlikely.

This holds very true!

[lookylookyherecomescookie]

3 minutes ago, Rousseauisnoschmo said:

Cant say you're wrong about Terry's hiring skills but if you're constantly falling short you have nothing to lose. Guys would be lining up for this job if McDermott got canned. It would be pretty hard to screw that up. Not impossible but pretty darn difficult.

  Please check out the Bill's history.  We are living in a golden age, you just don't screw with it.

[Logic]

The issue to me isn't just losing playoff games. It's the WAY the Bills keep losing playoff games. It's the fact that it's groundhog's day every single year.

Stop me if you've heard this one before:

Josh Allen has an All-World year, but the Bills choke away a couple winnable in-season games and narrowly miss out on the 1-seed. They travel to Kansas City, Josh and the offense play well, but the defense is a MASH unit and can't stop a nosebleed. A key starter (or two or three) are out and their replacements are picked on by Mahomes over and over again. In the last minutes of a very winnable shootout, the Bills commit some sort of brain fart or coaching blunder or fail to make the needed play, and ultimately wind up losing by one score.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

It's not just the fact that they keep losing in the playoffs. It's the WAY they keep doing so. It's the very repetitive nature of these losses that is so vexing.

I'll admit that McDermott has grown in lots of ways as a coach. But when it gets to the biggest moment of the year, it's deja vu all over again.

[folz]

I often hear that Reid continuously "out-coaches" McDermott, i.e., that McD is the problem.

 

But, that is really hard for me to totally buy when their head-to-head record is 5-5 and three of McD's losses were in OT, by 3 points, and by 3 points (that's a few plays away from an 8-5 record vs. Reid and probably a couple of SB appearances). And that isn't even taking into account how much the refs helped the Chiefs in both AFC Championship games (2020 and 2024). And do you know what the total points for each team is across those 10 matchups? It is Buffalo 258 points and Kansas City 253 points. I mean that is about as even as you can get (vs. now one of the NFL's top dynasties and greatest coach/QB duos). Is there another coach that has fared better against Reid over the last eight years? (yes, I know McD has Josh---but Reid has Mahomes; why is it to some that Reid is a great coach regardless of his QB, but McD is only a good coach because of his QB? Seems like a double standard to me.)

 

I tried to look for Reid's record versus all other coaches from 2017 until now (to see if anyone has fared as well as McD has vs. Reid), but I couldn't find anything that kind of summarized it all. And I wasn't going to take the time to look it all up. But suffice to say, McD has probably had more success vs. Reid in this current era than any other coach. So, again, who are we going to get to replace McD that would automatically be able to come in and "outcoach" Reid or whatever?

 

I did find an article about Andy Reid versus his former assistants:

Sean McDermott: 5-5

All other Reid assistants: 5-19 (John Harbaugh, Steve Spagnuolo, Doug Peterson, Ron Rivera, Matt Nagy, Pat Shumur, Todd Bowles, Brad Childress, and Leslie Frasier).

 

At this point, Sean has bought himself at least two more seasons minimum...but I would say his seat isn't even luke-warm. People act as if building a culture like we currently have with Sean and Brandon is easy. How many coaches did we see try to change the losing culture during the drought era (or how many coaches have tried in Cleveland, with the Jets, etc.). It is no small feat what this current regime has done for this team: culture, stability, winning, family atmosphere, perennial SB contender, a team that FAs want to come to, that former players want to return to, a team that is fun to root for and that your kids can look up to, etc., etc. And I don't think that is as easily replaceable as some people think.

 

For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

 

 

[khlax3]

Every time one of these threads pops up its is so stupid. HE IS NOT GOING TO BE FIRED. Not happening

Just some of the reasons:

-The bills have had their most successful run in 30 years. 

-The culture he established

-Players trust and like him

-He has a good relationship with the coach/GM

-who could you hire that is proven they are better. 
 

Firing McDermott would be like the eagles firing Andy Reid. 
 

McDermott = Mike Tomlin as long as he wins consistently and doesn’t lose the locker room he will be the coach of the bills

 

 

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, folz said:

I often hear that Reid continuously "out-coaches" McDermott, i.e., that McD is the problem.

 

But, that is really hard for me to totally buy when their head-to-head record is 5-5 and three of McD's losses were in OT, by 3 points, and by 3 points (that's a few plays away from an 8-5 record vs. Reid and probably a couple of SB appearances). And that isn't even taking into account how much the refs helped the Chiefs in both AFC Championship games (2020 and 2024). And do you know what the total points for each team is across those 10 matchups? It is Buffalo 258 points and Kansas City 253 points. I mean that is about as even as you can get (vs. now one of the NFL's top dynasties and greatest coach/QB duos). Is there another coach that has fared better against Reid over the last eight years? (yes, I know McD has Josh---but Reid has Mahomes; why is it to some that Reid is a great coach regardless of his QB, but McD is only a good coach because of his QB? Seems like a double standard to me.)

 

I tried to look for Reid's record versus all other coaches from 2017 until now (to see if anyone has fared as well as McD has vs. Reid), but I couldn't find anything that kind of summarized it all. And I wasn't going to take the time to look it all up. But suffice to say, McD has probably had more success vs. Reid in this current era than any other coach. So, again, who are we going to get to replace McD that would automatically be able to come in and "outcoach" Reid or whatever?

 

I did find an article about Andy Reid versus his former assistants:

Sean McDermott: 5-5

All other Reid assistants: 5-19 (John Harbaugh, Steve Spagnuolo, Doug Peterson, Ron Rivera, Matt Nagy, Pat Shumur, Todd Bowles, Brad Childress, and Leslie Frasier).

 

At this point, Sean has bought himself at least two more seasons minimum...but I would say his seat isn't even luke-warm. People act as if building a culture like we currently have with Sean and Brandon is easy. How many coaches did we see try to change the losing culture during the drought era (or how many coaches have tried in Cleveland, with the Jets, etc.). It is no small feat what this current regime has done for this team: culture, stability, winning, family atmosphere, perennial SB contender, a team that FAs want to come to, that former players want to return to, a team that is fun to root for and that your kids can look up to, etc., etc. And I don't think that is as easily replaceable as some people think.

 

For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

 

 

Coaches are going to play the biggest role in close outcomes.

[bigduke6]

starting to get Marty Schottenheimer vibes from McD.  ive always stood up for him but something isnt working with his side of the ball.  we cannot waste JA17 in his prime with terrible playoff defenses.  yes theres been injuries,  yes theres been unbelievable bad luck at times  at some point the defense has to hold playoff teams to under 20.  im not sure what the problem is tbh.  all i know is that most teams who win,  years later we find out that they had special inside knowledge of what the other team wanted to do.  nobody ever gets in trouble for it,  so why arent we looking for that same edge?  mbe we are and just never find it.  its troubling.  im not suggesting cheating btw,  theres a fine line,  a grey zone between being the good guys,  and being winners.