WGR Discussing McD's job security

[SoTier]

12 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:

It’s definitely not easy, and I can see how it’s tiring.

 

imo, it’s only gonna get worse and crescendo more until the monkey IS off his back. 
 

No one was talking about firing McD 4ish years ago.

 

It's only going to get worse among those Bills fans who frequent sports talk radio and Bills message boards.   

 

Thousands of Bills fans attend SJF training camp.  Thousands attend the Return of the Blue and Red practice.  Bills jerseys and merchandise are everywhere.  The stadium is always full.  As long as the Bills continue to make the playoffs and win playoff games, McDermott isn't going anywhere.  Short of McDermott having some kind of health issue or somehow running afoul of Pegula, Beane or Allen, he's going to be Bills HC until/unless he decides to leave, whether he wins a Super Bowl or not.

 

11 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

What's the definition of insanity?  McDs defense overall in the playoffs is bad.  If we lose before the superbowl again he should go, assuming there is a stud coach we can bring in.  

 

 

I'll take the insanity of winning the division, making the playoffs, and winning playoff games over and over.  It beats the crap out of going 0-20 against the Dolphins between 1970 and 1979, going 12-36 against the Patriots between 2000 and 2016, and missing the playoffs for 17 straight seasons.

 

BTW, any "stud coach" who would be available would either have been fired from his previous gig, a collegiate HC looking for a bigger pay day or be an unproven coordinator.

 

[machine gun kelly]

Coach McDermotthas a higher winning percentage than Harbaugh, McVay, Carroll, Tomlin, Reid, and Payton at .656.  By the way, that’s crushes Coach Levy’s winning record of .562.

 

Guys, I’ll restate what I’ve said before in that it’s a short memory from 17 years of misery.  I was on this board when we were perennial mediocre.  I’m not willing to throw out the baby with the bath water.  I’m just as frustrated as all of you with the championship and divisional losses.  It rips my heart out, but affects more than just the coach.

[Buffalo Boy]

2 hours ago, Avisan said:

immediate emotional gratifications we deserve.

After five plus years the immediacy and novelty has worn off.

Ad Hominem BS 

The same thing has been repeating itself for half a decade or more importantly close to half a HOF QB’s prime.

 

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

Don’t give me that crap (bolded). He broke the drought and went to the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor as QB. He’s a very good coach who has yet to win a Super Bowl. Part of me is starting to hope he wins a bunch of rings….somewhere else. We have a certain crowd who deserve to see that. 

ALL of me and EVERY other BILLS fan hopes he wins a bunch of rings. 
Squeaking in on a Dalton miracle pass to break the drought is a pretty low bar. 

[brianthomas]

The McD conundrum to me gets simplified by this: What is the purpose of having a defensively minded HC?

I get he's the coach for the entire team but why does a team favor an offensive minded coach versus a defensive one?

 

So what happens when the side of the ball your coach is supposed to be an expert in, fails you consistently? Whats the point in having a defensive coach if your defenses fail the team at critical moments in games? I would think you'd want a defensive HC so that it doesnt fail you in the big game. But that is indeed what's been going on.

 

We have the MVP in all of the NFL, playing lights out in the biggest games, playing as close to perfect as can be & we still cant win the big game because our defense cant make the stop when it counts? And i know nothing is ever as simple as that, but im generalizing the situation. Now I'll always credit McD for his role in changing the culture here. But the culture is changed, job well done there. Now its about getting to the SB & winning it. If we keep failing because our D can't make the big play when it counts, then we need to do something to fix that.

At some point you have to make a change, something has to change, for Allen's sake & for all our sakes.

[T.E.]

20 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Squeaking in on a Dalton miracle pass to break the drought is a pretty low bar. 

I love how people act like that 9-7 season was some Lombardi-esque coaching job. Mularkey and Marrone both went 9-7 too (and those teams were markedly better than the 2017 squad) but just didn't luck out with seeding.

Edited August 9 by T.E.

[machine gun kelly]

For all the critics, who are you hiring to get over the top?  Specifically a name.  When approached, no one ever seems to have the answer.

[RoscoeParrish]

1 minute ago, machine gun kelly said:

For all the critics, who are you hiring to get over the top?  Specifically a name.  When approached, no one ever seems to have the answer.

I would find Shanahan intriguing.

 

He has made multiple Superbowls with much worse QBs.

 

He reminds me of a younger Andy Reid who will probably never get it done in his first stop without a truly gifted QB, but is an unequivocally great offensive coach. And paired with an elite QB, has dynastic potential. 

[machine gun kelly]

5 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

I would find Shanahan intriguing.

 

He has made multiple Superbowls with much worse QBs.

 

He reminds me of a younger Andy Reid who will probably never get it done in his first stop without a truly gifted QB, but is an unequivocally great offensive coach. And paired with an elite QB, has dynastic potential. 

Roscoe.  The problem is he already has a job in SF, and not going anywhere.  Lynch would never be dumb enough to fire him.  Most good teams wouldn’t, hint hint.

[Albany,n.y.]

19 hours ago, Búfalo Blanco said:

He should've been gone years ago... The Reid's and McVay's of the league always outcoach him when it counts. He'll lose again, unless Allen somehow puts the entire team on his shoulders and produces a miracle...

 

Absolute tragedy, since we could have an offensive genius at the helm.

The Reids & McVays will outcoach just about any other coach in the league.  You just don't pick up the phone & get a HOF coach.  KC got extremely lucky that Reid was available after Philly fired him.  

[Albany,n.y.]

19 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

For all the critics, who are you hiring to get over the top?  Specifically a name.  When approached, no one ever seems to have the answer.

Rich Kotite wants one more chance at redemption. 

Matt Patricia would love to get another chance. 

Ray Handley is tired of retirement, doing nothing but sitting around his living room watching football on TV.  

Kay Stephenson has a lot more experience than his 1st coaching stint with the Bills.  

Hue Jackson wants just one more chance. 

 

[T.E.]

4 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

The Reids & McVays will outcoach just about any other coach in the league.  You just don't pick up the phone & get a HOF coach.  KC got extremely lucky that Reid was available after Philly fired him.  

McDermott got outcoached by Mike McDaniel in a playoff game at home where the other team was starting a third-string QB. McDermott got outcoached by Doug Marrone and Bill O'Brien in playoff games as well. It's not like he only struggles against all-time greats.

 

At the end of the day, he is a defensive-minded coach who has lost to the same team in the postseason four out of five years because his defense that is tailored exactly how he wants it is giving up over five TDs a game against that team. I don't know how much more we need to see here.

[RoscoeParrish]

18 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Roscoe.  The problem is he already has a job in SF, and not going anywhere.  Lynch would never be dumb enough to fire him.  Most good teams wouldn’t, hint hint.

I don’t know if any of that is true. 

First of all, Lynch isn’t really Shanny’s boss if I recall correctly. Shanny recommended Lynch and they both came on together in SF. I think they are much like Beane and McD.

 

They all hitched their wagon to the Brock Purdy experience. They missed the playoffs last year. If they are terrible and missed terribly on paying Purdy, I think they are all on the hotseat. They already have that whiff on Trey Lance on their resume.

Edited August 9 by RoscoeParrish

[BuffaloBillyG]

33 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

For all the critics, who are you hiring to get over the top?  Specifically a name.  When approached, no one ever seems to have the answer.

Forget the critics. A fair number of them would have promoted Daboll. 

[I Am The Liquor]

41 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

For all the critics, who are you hiring to get over the top?  Specifically a name.  When approached, no one ever seems to have the answer.

[blacklabel]

It really feels like some of youse wanna get back into a new coach/GM every 2-3 years cycle. No thanks. 

[GaryPinC]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Don’t give me that crap (bolded). He broke the drought and went to the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor as QB. He’s a very good coach who has yet to win a Super Bowl. Part of me is starting to hope he wins a bunch of rings….somewhere else. We have a certain crowd who deserve to see that. 

I've got my fingers crossed he's learned some lessons from last year.  But allowing Mahomes to run that sweep right on critical downs in the playoffs with no adjustment?  Given how much we play KC, it's simply poor coaching mentality.  Over 8 years in and he over-relies on his vaunted defensive system and it fails him in the playoffs against the top talent and coaching.   

 

How long do we wait for him to realize his defense and defensive decision making is good enough for the regular season but not the playoffs?  It's gone on long enough that you can't blame the players for every failed year.  I really don't want to see Josh Allen get Dan Marino-ed.

[Augie]

1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:

For all the critics, who are you hiring to get over the top?  Specifically a name.  When approached, no one ever seems to have the answer.

 

They will give you names like Shanahan, who in my opinion is a bad fit for Josh. His system (get it out on time, to the right place) calls for the exact opposite of Josh’s strengths, but we can just pay that no attention at all, because we have an agenda and that is best ignored because it doesn’t fit our narrative.

 

If we complain about 13 seconds in the AFCCG, how do you think Falcons fans like blowing a 28-3 lead in the second half of the Super Bowl because you were too stupid and/or arrogant to burn some clock. It’s funny how that stuff is forgiven when it happens somewhere else. But sure, let’s ignore that because it makes it harder to have our temper tantrum. 

 

There is only a hope and a prayer that we do better than McD, who would be instantly offered the best NFL opening available. 

[L Ron Burgundy]

17 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Two types of people:

1. Takes chances to better themself understanding the risk of failure is there. Can live with failing but can’t live with not trying. 
2. Quietly molder with the status quo while talking themselves into liking it* because it’s safe.

 

talking themselves into liking it:

All sorts of excuses, same ones over and over, each year.

 

Go back to the threads after 13 seconds and see the same excuses

or after Bengals, or any KC playoff loss.

 

Some coaches are really good but will never be great. McD is one such coach.

 
Wasting Josh’s prime on him is a fools errand 

Yeah this sums up my greatest fear with this team.  I just don't think he's creative enough.   I know on TV he'll get his balls washed by announcers about being a defensive genius but push comes to shove the great offensive minds in the playoffs toy with him.  

 

It's a lot for Josh to overcome.  

[L Ron Burgundy]

1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:

For all the critics, who are you hiring to get over the top?  Specifically a name.  When approached, no one ever seems to have the answer.

For me, I only make the move if someone great is available.   I'm sure some would roast this but 2 I would have likely made change for are Belichik and Ben Johnson.  

 

I think Josh is the best NFL qb.  Not winning a sb would be a travesty. mcd is a good coach.  But on the strategy side he is lacking.  A defensive coach whose defense costs us almost every year.  

[SoonerBillsFan]

5 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

you realize of course that the entire coaching staff goes as well.  you're not just unplugging one guy you don't like.   you are willing to ditch Brady, Kromer, et al in the process and start all over again with new schemes, mismatched scheme/players and all the restart that goes with that?? 

 

This board cracks me up.   Give em a good, even a great thing and they trash it anyway.  

The great thing is Allen. And if he can't win it by his 10th season, Josh's 9th)  then yeah he needs to go.  Again he said he recognized changes needed to be made and I believe he will try. I mean hell he just added bigger DL which is a change.

 

But Allen and this fan base need note than another Lewis or Schottenheimer.

1 hour ago, blacklabel said:

It really feels like some of youse wanna get back into a new coach/GM every 2-3 years cycle. No thanks. 

So you would have 15 years of "good" and no shot at a superbowl for Allen and this fanbase?