WGR Discussing McD's job security

[machine gun kelly]

3 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Rich Kotite wants one more chance at redemption. 

Matt Patricia would love to get another chance. 

Ray Handley is tired of retirement, doing nothing but sitting around his living room watching football on TV.  

Kay Stephenson has a lot more experience than his 1st coaching stint with the Bills.  

Hue Jackson wants just one more chance. 

 

Exactly.

3 hours ago, I Am The Liquor said:

You must be drinking your title.  I lived through Gruden since the Bucs SB.  Sure he took Dungy’s team to the SB, and he did make Monte Kiffin the highest paid DC, but then had a roller coaster for the next 7 years.  Losing season to a winning season like a freakin yoyo.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

For all the critics, who are you hiring to get over the top?  Specifically a name.  When approached, no one ever seems to have the answer.

Would have loved Ben Johnson, but we're not allowed to have nice things.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

4 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Rich Kotite wants one more chance at redemption. 

Matt Patricia would love to get another chance. 

Ray Handley is tired of retirement, doing nothing but sitting around his living room watching football on TV.  

Kay Stephenson has a lot more experience than his 1st coaching stint with the Bills.  

Hue Jackson wants just one more chance. 

 

Matt Patricia is only a couple of millimetres higher on the scale than Nathaniel Hackett. 🤨
Kotite is too busy wondering about what flavour pudding cup is being served with his dinner tray in the retirement home.

Hue Jackson could take Mayfield's place as groundskeeper, but only if they get him an ATV.  And groundskeepers to do the actual work. 🤨

Edited August 9 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[PromoTheRobot]

10 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

"Elite players"

 

The offense is Josh Allen and a bunch of guys. Maybe you could throw cook in there, but the rest? Elite? Come on man, let's be real.

How about you be real?

[Dr.Sack]

McDermott is on very stable ground so long as Allen his a top level QB. Sure Beane has missed on a good number of picks and the defense philosophy has flaws but a constant 13 or 11 win season keeps you your job.

[muppy]

On 8/8/2025 at 8:55 AM, Virgil said:

  I know McD would get hired almost immediately by another team that is looking to recreate the Buffalo success and we would be taking a chance on anyone else.  But I also believe we would have our choice of HC candidates.  

 

To me the WHO to replace Coach McDermott would be the crux of the matter. 

You KNOW that guy will have even a shorter leash  to succeed.

It he could  that would would of course be great.

Or it fails and then the "we should have never fired McDermott" teeth gnashing will be loud and be insufferable

and begins a coaching change Merry go round.

 

there are no guarantees no matter how badly we want one.

 

 

Edited August 9 by muppy

[PromoTheRobot]

 

4 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Would have loved Ben Johnson, but we're not allowed to have nice things.

 

God, were spoiled. Maybe a 50-year playoff drought is needed to restore some humility.

[LABILLBACKER]

7 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

The great thing is Allen. And if he can't win it by his 10th season, Josh's 9th)  then yeah he needs to go.  Again he said he recognized changes needed to be made and I believe he will try. I mean hell he just added bigger DL which is a change.

 

But Allen and this fan base need note than another Lewis or Schottenheimer.

So you would have 15 years of "good" and no shot at a superbowl for Allen and this fanbase?  

I am 100% convinced that a majority of our fanbase would be more than content sticking it out with McD. Even if it meant the likelihood of ever getting to a SB being slim to none.  That’s sad but true.  When we made no effort to go after Ben Johnson,  that validated this theory. 

[Slack_in_MA]

On 8/8/2025 at 12:50 PM, Einstein said:

I like McDermott. A lot. I truly believe he is a great person.

But if we lose to KC againnnnn this playoffs. How can the players ever honestly believe we will overcome it without change?

OK. Let’s pretend the Bills lose to KC again on a few key plays that players made obvious mistakes — Josh throws a pick six… James Cook fumbles the ball on the 3 yard line… Christian Benford gets beat one on one for a TD. 
 

Are those coaching mistakes or player mistakes? Do you fire the coach for them?

 

The decision depends on context, imho.

[SoonerBillsFan]

45 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I am 100% convinced that a majority of our fanbase would be more than content sticking it out with McD. Even if it meant the likelihood of ever getting to a SB being slim to none.  That’s sad but true.  When we made no effort to go after Ben Johnson,  that validated this theory. 

Agree.  Many are willing to sit at "good" out of fear.

[Goin Breakdown]

After what we saw today!!!!! Fire him now!!!!  

[808]

I dont think mcdermott is a bad coach. But i also dont think he is that great. 
how many of those wins are josh masking poor drafts and bad coaching?

he has shown the ability to get out coached by the same dude over and over again. 
and for a guy who is always preaching about fundamentals and discipline. His defense lacks those things. Or they are sticking to scheme soo well that other teams clown them. 
 

hearing players after the last of the chiefs losses in the playoffs say they never saw the chiefs doing the things they did on tape before. But was shown on everynetwork of them doing those exact things all year says they arent prepared or coached well. 
like i said i dont think mcdermott sucks. But he isnt that good either. 
josh is saving a bunch of people jobs

[SoTier]

13 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Coach McDermotthas a higher winning percentage than Harbaugh, McVay, Carroll, Tomlin, Reid, and Payton at .656.  By the way, that’s crushes Coach Levy’s winning record of .562.

 

Guys, I’ll restate what I’ve said before in that it’s a short memory from 17 years of misery.  I was on this board when we were perennial mediocre.  I’m not willing to throw out the baby with the bath water.  I’m just as frustrated as all of you with the championship and divisional losses.  It rips my heart out, but affects more than just the coach.

 

I'm 75, and I've been a Bills fan since 1963, so my time to see the Bills win a Lombardi is much more limited than most fans.  I agree with everything you wrote, and if the Bills never win a Lombardi in my lifetime, it won't change the fact that McDermott's tenure as HC has been the best era of Bills football ever.  Nothing is guaranteed in life, no matter how much someone wants something.  Instead of being in perpetual angst about the Bills' lack of SB wins, some Bills fans need to apply the idea that "life is a journey, not a destination" to their fandom and enjoy the ride.  It's the best one Bills have ever had so far.

 

3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I am 100% convinced that a majority of our fanbase would be more than content sticking it out with McD. Even if it meant the likelihood of ever getting to a SB being slim to none.  That’s sad but true.  When we made no effort to go after Ben Johnson,  that validated this theory. 

 

The last time I looked, Ben Johnson has won as many NFL games as a HC as you and I and the rest of the TSW members.   

 

Edited August 10 by SoTier

[major]

I really like McD. He reminds me of Tom Landry. It took Landry 12 years with the cowboys before he won the Super Bowl. He had a painful steak of losing big games in the playoffs before he finally won it all. 

[Sojourner]

5 hours ago, muppy said:

To me the WHO to replace Coach McDermott would be the crux of the matter. 

You KNOW that guy will have even a shorter leash  to succeed.

It he could  that would would of course be great.

Or it fails and then the "we should have never fired McDermott" teeth gnashing will be loud and be insufferable

and begins a coaching change Merry go round.

 

there are no guarantees no matter how badly we want one.

 

 

Well said Muppy. I agree completely. Very similar to the situation in Pittsburgh with Tomlin. 
 

He has his warts but for the most part the team is very successful with the rosters/teams they put out each year. Might get a guy who makes the super bowls consistently but might be in and out. 
 

The real question about a coaching change should come if we still can’t get to the Super Bowl and the Pats and Jets improve within these next two seasons to be contending for division champs. 
 

The leash is getting shorter for McD and realistically it needs to but in the bigger picture with the way coaching changes work out, we may end up worse off in the course of Josh’s final 7-10 years. 

[Mikie2times]

5 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

 

God, were spoiled. Maybe a 50-year playoff drought is needed to restore some humility.

We need more fear of failure with a HOF QB. If we never leave our houses we can’t get hurt. 

[twoandfourteen]

2 hours ago, major said:

I really like McD. He reminds me of Tom Landry. It took Landry 12 years with the cowboys before he won the Super Bowl. He had a painful steak of losing big games in the playoffs before he finally won it all. 

 

1 hour ago, Sojourner said:

Well said Muppy. I agree completely. Very similar to the situation in Pittsburgh with Tomlin. 
 

He has his warts but for the most part the team is very successful with the rosters/teams they put out each year. Might get a guy who makes the super bowls consistently but might be in and out. 
 

The real question about a coaching change should come if we still can’t get to the Super Bowl and the Pats and Jets improve within these next two seasons to be contending for division champs. 
 

The leash is getting shorter for McD and realistically it needs to but in the bigger picture with the way coaching changes work out, we may end up worse off in the course of Josh’s final 7-10 years. 

 

Um, realistically Josh Allen has three “prime” seasons left after this year. 

 

Without Allen at QB, Beane would be back as the Director of Pro Scouting in Carolina and McDermott would be the DC in Jacksonville. 

 

McDermott has been a tire fire in the playoffs and Beane’s drafting - especially in the first two rounds - has been abysmal. 

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

11 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

 

God, were spoiled. Maybe a 50-year playoff drought is needed to restore some humility.

"Eat your Brussels sprouts. There's starving kids in Africa"

 

Man it's ok to want MORE. I promise.

 

 

11 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

How about you be real?

Name em. All the "elite" players. We'll see who you think are "elite."

[muppy]

7 hours ago, Sojourner said:

Well said Muppy. I agree completely. Very similar to the situation in Pittsburgh with Tomlin. 
 

He has his warts but for the most part the team is very successful with the rosters/teams they put out each year. Might get a guy who makes the super bowls consistently but might be in and out. 
 

The real question about a coaching change should come if we still can’t get to the Super Bowl and the Pats and Jets improve within these next two seasons to be contending for division champs. 
 

The leash is getting shorter for McD and realistically it needs to but in the bigger picture with the way coaching changes work out, we may end up worse off in the course of Josh’s final 7-10 years. 

I think if Josh Allen believes and trusts in McDermott , he stays

 

If for whatever reason #17 thinks a change is in order he will be fired.

 

I cannot believe the Bills would act contrary to Josh Allens  wishes in the matter.

 

It's obvious really. Who wants to upset #17? How would he handle a coaching change? With class and dignity of course.  UNLESS he wasn't in favor of it

 

I think it's up to #17. I could be  wrong.

6 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

We need more fear of failure with a HOF QB. If we never leave our houses we can’t get hurt. 

dude u know this IS the year right? Then all this talk of a coaching change will be MOOT

 

Lombardi 2025  or bust. Just saying 

 

PS: COVID rampant all over San Diego be aware. Its no joke.

 

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[stuvian]

The Belichick era has caused us to see coaches as some kind of mythical guru. 

I think McDermott is a better coach than Sirianni, McCarthy, Switzer, Gruden and Arians. He's good enough to get it done and we are better off with him than without him.