Rams extend RB Kyren Williams - 3-year, $33 million

[Ethan in Cleveland]

4 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Everyone saying Cook is better... how?

 

Williams has the better, more proven rushing production.

 

Cook had less than 100 more receiving yards last year 

 

Williams played 888 (87%) of the team's offensive snaps. Cook didn't do half that. 

So Cook had almost the same rush yards and more recieving yards on half the snaps. 

And you are asking how we think Cook is better? I mean its kind of basic math right?

 

 

[HamptonBillsfan]

1 hour ago, <bills4life> said:

Yeah and the two years previous he averaged 800 yds and 2 tds per season.  Cook had 1 great season.  Let’s not act like he is a bonafide superstar.  While Davis may not have the home run capability, as a full time starter he would easily replicate cook’s first two seasons.  Especially with this line. 

If a RB improves every season and more importantly stays healthy, why would you want to dump him to replicate his first season as a  pro. His first 3 years compares favorably to McCafrey, Saquon and any other back from the standpoint of health, production and team success. Who’s a bonafide superstar in your estimation? Saquon and Henry qualify but they’re both 6 years older and with a ton of tread on their tires. These guys have a ton of carries which usually translate to injuries in their 30s. Why are you denigrating our best back since Thurman? Josh wants Cook and knows how crucial he is to our SB chances.

1 hour ago, RochesterLifer said:

Not that there's anything wrong with that. I spend my whole life frivolously muttering. It's a self-medicating sanity tool. "Grumble, grumble, brumble, burgerflickle..."

It’s a trait that makes you more endearing.  Thanks for your input.

[3rdand12]

Whoops there it is

Your move Jimmy C

[TheyCallMeAndy]

11 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

So Cook had almost the same rush yards and more recieving yards on half the snaps. 

And you are asking how we think Cook is better? I mean its kind of basic math right?

 

 

Yes and no. 
 

They didn't have almost the same yardage, Cook had 290 less rushing yards. He averaged 63 rushing yards a game, it would have taken him nearly 5 games to catch that total up. Williams has the higher snap count because he can be trusted in more situations. 
 

A RB who has more rushing production, more established rushing production, and is trusted in more situations is likely a better RB. 
 

If Williams is getting 11 AAV, Cook really doesn't have much ground to stand on to get 15m. 11m for a guy who plays 48-52% of your snaps is also a lot. 
 

I like Cook, but I feel like his contract will age like milk. 

[GoBills808]

22 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

So Cook had almost the same rush yards and more recieving yards on half the snaps. 

And you are asking how we think Cook is better? I mean its kind of basic math right?

 

 

'almost the same rush yards'😂😂

[3rdand12]

Lets hope James' agent takes his foot off the pedal here after this contract announcement. Equal value but different players

If he wants more money? Then hang on and prove it again this year.

 If he wants to be reasonable ?

 Ask for guaranteed monies and a shorter contract

 and agin

 Prove it to the League. Then he will get paid either way

[HappyDays]

56 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

best argument for paying him ive seen thus far

 

That's been my stance all along. In a vacuum I don't like the idea of giving a big multi-year extension to a RB. But the opportunity cost just isn't that bad for us. If for example we had traded for DK Metcalf and extended him I would have accepted losing Cook as a necessary consequence. Since this regime clearly just isn't going to go that route... I'm left wanting to make sure we at least have some manner of explosive offense and easy button TDs, because like last year I don't expect the on schedule passing game to be a consistent source of those plays. It's mostly going to be Allen improvisation and Cook explosive runs. I accept that Cook is not a down in down out back like Kyren Williams but I actually value his skill set more for this team the way it is currently constructed.

[PoundingDog]

2 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Lets hope James' agent takes his foot off the pedal here after this contract announcement. Equal value but different players

If he wants more money? Then hang on and prove it again this year.

 If he wants to be reasonable ?

 Ask for guaranteed monies and a shorter contract

 and agin

 Prove it to the League. Then he will get paid either way

The bold part is the key. And Beane alluded to it.

 

I read some where that Matthew Leist (actually a Syracuse grad), representing James Cook, represented his brother as well and no one else (up to a year ago) and orchestrated a successful hold out for Dalvin James against the Vikings. Who knows maybe this guys wants to show the world he can get "you a contract above the market value."

[DrDawkinstein]

34 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Yes and no. 
 

They didn't have almost the same yardage, Cook had 290 less rushing yards. He averaged 63 rushing yards a game, it would have taken him nearly 5 games to catch that total up. Williams has the higher snap count because he can be trusted in more situations. 
 

A RB who has more rushing production, more established rushing production, and is trusted in more situations is likely a better RB. 
 

If Williams is getting 11 AAV, Cook really doesn't have much ground to stand on to get 15m. 11m for a guy who plays 48-52% of your snaps is also a lot. 
 

I like Cook, but I feel like his contract will age like milk. 

 

50% of snaps but touches the ball more than anyone (outside of QB and Center).

 

Since we're talking about snaps, touches, and production...

 

Cook had 207 carries and 32 receptions. He had the ball 239 times. He accounted for 1267 yards and 18 TDs.

Shakir, who just got $15M/yr, and just had his best year yet, had 78 total touches, 825 yds, and 4 TDs.

Roughly 1/3 Cook's total production depending how you want to look at it.

Rousseau, who just got $20M/yr is on a regular rotation.

 

Different positions, sure. But Shakir doesnt contribute even HALF of what Cook does to the offense. So if we're justifying numbers based on snaps, touches, and productivity, Cook should be the 2nd highest paid on Offense.

[<bills4life>]

51 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

If a RB improves every season and more importantly stays healthy, why would you want to dump him to replicate his first season as a  pro. His first 3 years compares favorably to McCafrey, Saquon and any other back from the standpoint of health, production and team success. Who’s a bonafide superstar in your estimation? Saquon and Henry qualify but they’re both 6 years older and with a ton of tread on their tires. These guys have a ton of carries which usually translate to injuries in their 30s. Why are you denigrating our best back since Thurman? Josh wants Cook and knows how crucial he is to our SB chances.

It’s a trait that makes you more endearing.  Thanks for your input.

Im not advocating to dump him.  However he is not a top 3 rb and should not be paid as such.  Another couple of seasons with last years production is a different matter. But the body of work is simply not there yet.  I’m sure beane is not happy with his antics either.  If he continues on this path and the bills offer a similar contract commensurate to Williams, and he refuses a fair offer, I would not be shocked if he is moved.  I would take a prime Fred Jackson, marshawn lynch, or lesean McCoy over him.  But that’s just me.  

[SoonerBillsFan]

11 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

50% of snaps but touches the ball more than anyone (outside of QB and Center).

 

Since we're talking about snaps, touches, and production...

 

Cook had 207 carries and 32 receptions. He had the ball 239 times. He accounted for 1267 yards and 18 TDs.

Shakir, who just got $15M/yr, and just had his best year yet, had 78 total touches, 825 yds, and 4 TDs.

Roughly 1/3 Cook's total production depending how you want to look at it.

Rousseau, who just got $20M/yr is on a regular rotation.

 

Different positions, sure. But Shakir doesnt contribute even HALF of what Cook does to the offense. So if we're justifying numbers based on snaps, touches, and productivity, Cook should be the 2nd highest paid on Offense.

Not how it works, in the real world.  Madden maybe.

[ColoradoBills]

I almost never drop to the end of a thread I haven't read but I just want to say what I have been saying.

 

$13M per year is what James Cook is worth and what I think Brandon Beane is willing to sign.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

48 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

50% of snaps but touches the ball more than anyone (outside of QB and Center).

 

Since we're talking about snaps, touches, and production...

 

Cook had 207 carries and 32 receptions. He had the ball 239 times. He accounted for 1267 yards and 18 TDs.

Shakir, who just got $15M/yr, and just had his best year yet, had 78 total touches, 825 yds, and 4 TDs.

Roughly 1/3 Cook's total production depending how you want to look at it.

Rousseau, who just got $20M/yr is on a regular rotation.

 

Different positions, sure. But Shakir doesnt contribute even HALF of what Cook does to the offense. So if we're justifying numbers based on snaps, touches, and productivity, Cook should be the 2nd highest paid on Offense.

I get the argument you're trying to make, but it isn't what they can do... it's what they are trusted to do.

 

Both players trusted in high leverage situations. They are on the field when it matters. Cook rarely plays on 3rd and 4th down because he can't block to save his life (or Allens) 
 

 

 

 

[SoonerBillsFan]

55 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

I almost never drop to the end of a thread I haven't read but I just want to say what I have been saying.

 

$13M per year is what James Cook is worth and what I think Brandon Beane is willing to sign.

He and Williams are interchangeable.  That said I proposed 11.5 average per year and guarantee 24 mill.  It gives him a bigger contract than Williams.

 

Several media folks said that these two contracts would essentially be the same, it was just who's got done first.  

 

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

Lets hope James' agent takes his foot off the pedal here after this contract announcement. Equal value but different players

If he wants more money? Then hang on and prove it again this year.

 If he wants to be reasonable ?

 Ask for guaranteed monies and a shorter contract

 and agin

 Prove it to the League. Then he will get paid either way

im not expecting it but this could be the proverbial off ramp for him to slow down and save face at a number like 12m

[BobbyC81]

10 hours ago, eball said:

Similar stats...if the Bills could reach agreement with Cook at 11M per season I don't think any of us would be too upset.

 

Especially since it’s not our money.

[SoonerBillsFan]

58 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

im not expecting it but this could be the proverbial off ramp for him to slow down and save face at a number like 12m

11.575,not a penny more!

 

😁

[GoBills!]

Id be fine with a 2 years 23-24 million all guaranteed that way he can go get the bag again. That puts us at 3 years with him by then we will know what we have in Ray and company. 

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Yes and no. 
 

They didn't have almost the same yardage, Cook had 290 less rushing yards. He averaged 63 rushing yards a game, it would have taken him nearly 5 games to catch that total up. Williams has the higher snap count because he can be trusted in more situations. 
 

A RB who has more rushing production, more established rushing production, and is trusted in more situations is likely a better RB. 
 

If Williams is getting 11 AAV, Cook really doesn't have much ground to stand on to get 15m. 11m for a guy who plays 48-52% of your snaps is also a lot. 
 

I like Cook, but I feel like his contract will age like milk. 

But he’ll get more money than Kyren.  Because he hits home runs and offers a different dimension as a RB.  Cook is a bigger threat in all aspects of the offense except for pass blocking.  He’s more dynamic with the ball in his hands.  Watch.  Use your eyeballs to watch them play rather than looking at numbers. 
 

Kyren is a very good back.  Cook puts a lot more pressure on the defense.  That makes him better imo.  A true threat to score every time he touches the ball.

[Mikie2times]

32 minutes ago, NewEra said:

But he’ll get more money than Kyren.  Because he hits home runs and offers a different dimension as a RB.  Cook is a bigger threat in all aspects of the offense except for pass blocking.  He’s more dynamic with the ball in his hands.  Watch.  Use your eyeballs to watch them play rather than looking at numbers. 
 

Kyren is a very good back.  Cook puts a lot more pressure on the defense.  That makes him better imo.  A true threat to score every time he touches the ball.

I totally agree and want Cook to get his bag. Still, sort of a bummer knowing this isn’t just 3rd down. It’s any two minute drill as well. Which to me does start to become a problem when you’re making top 5 positional money. Those guys need to be on the field in the most important moments. If we have the ball down 4 with under two minutes in the game in the Super Bowl, is Cook on the field? Scary to think the answer is no, but that probably is the answer.