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[RoscoeParrish]

17 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

The Bengals had a two year window where they were a contender 2021 and 2022. They made it to the Super Bowl and lost a close game in 2021 and made it back to the AFCCG in 2022 and lost a close game. Back to back seasons they haven't made the playoffs and have not been able to put a good offensive line around Burrow and watched their defense degrade into one of the worst in the league. In the Bills worst seasons with Josh they win 11 games and a playoff game victory. 

 

If I were a Bengals fan I would be very pissed if they let Burrow slip through their hands because the owner is incompetent and cheap...

So I guess what I would ask, is if the Bengals beat KC in the postseason again to go to another Super Bowl, do we think the Bills have been more or less successful than the Bengals since 2021?

[billsfan89]

1 minute ago, RoscoeParrish said:

So I guess what I would ask, is if the Bengals beat KC in the postseason again to go to another Super Bowl, do we think the Bills have been more or less successful than the Bengals since 2021?

 

I don't think the Bengals are gonna be in the post season this year let alone beat KC again. But in this unlikely hypothetical it would be hard to argue that the Bengals with two SB appearances and a 3rd deep playoff run wouldn't be more success than the Bills who have been more consistent but haven't achieved a SB run once let alone twice. 

 

But the Bengals with a bottom 5 defense and bottom 10 offensive line and suspect in other areas are gonna be in the playoffs let alone contenders...

[RoscoeParrish]

1 minute ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I don't think the Bengals are gonna be in the post season this year let alone beat KC again. But in this unlikely hypothetical it would be hard to argue that the Bengals with two SB appearances and a 3rd deep playoff run wouldn't be more success than the Bills who have been more consistent but haven't achieved a SB run once let alone twice. 

 

But the Bengals with a bottom 5 defense and bottom 10 offensive line and suspect in other areas are gonna be in the playoffs let alone contenders...

I think they make the playoffs and Burrow wins MVP.

 

But to the point, a couple of higher peaks clearly offsets WC appearances imo.

Edited Friday at 02:34 PM by RoscoeParrish

[billsfan89]

Just now, RoscoeParrish said:

I think they make the playoffs and Burrow wins MVP.

 

Possible but I don't see them getting more than past the wildcard round. I think more likely a repeat of last season is likely 8-9 wins and just missing the playoffs. You can't win in the playoffs more than 1 game if you have a terrible defense and offensive line. No matter how good your QB and WR's are you need to be able to at least get some stops and protect your QB and provide a ground game. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

52 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

I think they make the playoffs and Burrow wins MVP.

 

Bengals won't get too far in the playoffs.  The players and coaches are getting tired of holding bake sales and car washes to finance postseason travel, thanks to Skinflint Brown's parsimonious ways. 😁

[Southern McButterpants.]

19 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Looks like the Miami Dolphins are a shoe in for AFC Championship Game this year.

 

Watch - some a$$-hat on ESPN or NFL Network will predict the Phins have a  13-4 season, win the division and rep the AFC in the SB.  

[Billl]

1 hour ago, RoscoeParrish said:

I think they make the playoffs and Burrow wins MVP.

 

But to the point, a couple of higher peaks clearly offsets WC appearances imo.

Then what if you don’t factor in next year at all?  Is making two AFCCGs and one Super Bowl better than making two AFCCGs and three divisional round games?

[julian]

Burrow couldn’t beat out Dwayne Haskins at Ohio State and had to get his ass to LSU where Jefferson and Chase awaited lol… the next time this overrated good QB plays on a team without two #1 WRs will be the first time.

 

 I believe he’s a very good QB.

[CNYfan]

4 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

Or a team with an absolute dog water defense.

I haven't heard "dogwater" since Junior High.  Wow, same novel as "titties, small, but still titties".  Funny

Edited Friday at 04:56 PM by CNYfan

[Gregg]

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[syhuang]

On 7/30/2025 at 10:29 AM, syhuang said:

 

 

 

[RoscoeParrish]

59 minutes ago, Billl said:

Then what if you don’t factor in next year at all?  Is making two AFCCGs and one Super Bowl better than making two AFCCGs and three divisional round games?

It’s pretty close imo

[eball]

43 minutes ago, julian said:

Burrow couldn’t beat out Dwayne Haskins at Ohio State and had to get his ass to LSU where Jefferson and Chase awaited lol… the next time this overrated good QB plays on a team without two #1 WRs will be the first time.

 

 I believe he’s a very good QB.

To your point…put Burrow on the Bills the past five seasons and what do you think you have?

 

I think we all know the answer. 
 

[DrDawkinstein]

12 minutes ago, eball said:

To your point…put Burrow on the Bills the past five seasons and what do you think you have?

 

I think we all know the answer. 
 

 

Burrow isnt the problem on the Bengals and he wouldnt be the problem on the Bills.

 

If he were in Buffalo, he'd still have a Defense that cant get him a stop. He'd additionally be missing 2 top WR targets.

 

So yeah, things would be worse with and for Burrow, but the QB isnt the issue in either spot.

[stevewin]

28 minutes ago, syhuang said:

 

 

For some reason "liquid in the neck and head area" sounds worse to me

[SoTier]

3 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Possible but I don't see them getting more than past the wildcard round. I think more likely a repeat of last season is likely 8-9 wins and just missing the playoffs. You can't win in the playoffs more than 1 game if you have a terrible defense and offensive line. No matter how good your QB and WR's are you need to be able to at least get some stops and protect your QB and provide a ground game. 

 

I agree.   I also think that it's better than 50-50 that Burrow has another significant injury that keeps him out of several games, in which case they won't make the playoffs -- again.  Of course, that will be the excuse the Bengals FO uses to placate their fan base yet again. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Billl said:

Then what if you don’t factor in next year at all?  Is making two AFCCGs and one Super Bowl better than making two AFCCGs and three divisional round games?

 

Is making two AFCCGs and one Super Bowl but missing the playoffs the last two years better than two AFCCGs and three divisional round games during the same time period?   In the abstract, the first scenario might be better, but if you look at the teams as they are right now, Aug 1 2025, I think that the second scenario might be better going forward. 

 

The Bills are built to win NFL playoff games, which they have done for 5 straight years and are likely to continue to do so going forward.   They've invested their resources in taking the pressure off Allen and trying to improve their defense despite being up against the cap.

 

The Bengals are built to win Fantasy Football championships, investing much of their resources in two #1 WRs rather than in protecting their QB and shoring up their Swiss-cheese defense, even coming to an impasse with their stud DE ... while they have well over $25 million in cap space available.

 

 

35 minutes ago, syhuang said:

 

 

 

Wouldn't having enough "liquid in the neck and head area" to throw off someone's equilibrium still be something rather serious?

 

Edited Friday at 05:52 PM by SoTier

[The Jokeman]

47 minutes ago, syhuang said:

 

 

Odd this comes around same time the Chiefs losing other WRs to injury. Not saying it isn't true but just an odd coincidence if I'm in NFLPA for his safety I'd file a grievance or make sure he passes concussion protocol before resuming practice. 

[The Jokeman]

22 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Burrow isnt the problem on the Bengals and he wouldnt be the problem on the Bills.

 

If he were in Buffalo, he'd still have a Defense that cant get him a stop. He'd additionally be missing 2 top WR targets.

 

So yeah, things would be worse with and for Burrow, but the QB isnt the issue in either spot.

Possibly as he might have a better Oline here in Buffalo and arguably better weapons at RB and TE. To me Burrow's biggest issue is his struggles to feel pressure and avoid sacks that lead to him missing time.  I mean he's taken 149 sacks in 69 games or about 2.15 per game by contrast Josh has had  taken 189 sacks in 111 games 1.70. 

[KingBoots8]

1 hour ago, syhuang said:

 

 

Andy got his wire to the NFL bank account to go through and now he’s fine. Nothing to see here, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain 💵💸💰

[eball]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Burrow isnt the problem on the Bengals and he wouldnt be the problem on the Bills.

 

If he were in Buffalo, he'd still have a Defense that cant get him a stop. He'd additionally be missing 2 top WR targets.

 

So yeah, things would be worse with and for Burrow, but the QB isnt the issue in either spot.

 

Not the point.  What I’m addressing is the notion that Burrow is as talented as Josh, not whether the Bills’ defense let them down.