It's Sauce Gardner's turn. Extended through 2030, $120 Million.

[SoonerBillsFan]

10 hours ago, PonyBoy said:

 

Useless info here, but if some of you didn't know. 

I knew this before the Internet, but copied & pasted for accuracy. 

 

The title, "25 or 6 to 4," refers to the time of day: 25 or 26 minutes before 4 a.m. Lamm was looking at a clock, trying to find the right time to complete a lyric, and the indecision between 25 and 26 minutes led to the unique title, according to a music magazine. 🙂

the entire song is about trying write a song lol

[DJB]

Sauce is vastly overrated

 

Hes constantly running with his back turned to the QB and holding. 
 

Hes brutal 

[Don Otreply]

The jets, Bwaahahahaha…

[Gregg]

3 minutes ago, DJB said:

Sauce is vastly overrated

 

Hes constantly running with his back turned to the QB and holding. 
 

Hes brutal 

 

He is very "handsy". If the refs let him play, then he is a very tough CB. If they call him out on the holding, then that changes everything.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

That's a lot of cheese for a guy who has been statistically regressing every year and is coming off a very average 2024. 

[BigAl2526]

19 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Christian Benford - $17.5m per year.

Sauce Gardner - $30.1m per year.

 

I like the Benford value more.

I was thinking the same thing.  I don't think Gardner's play could possibly be 12.6 million dollars a year better than Benford's.

[DrDawkinstein]

I guess I see this as a very "Drought Bills" move. Spending big money on a couple of names that arent actually going to affect any wins or improvements. We spun our wheels for so long doing that.

 

Then we saw the McBeane plan. Come in as a new regime, trade away the old regime's players, stockpile assets to go get your QB the next year. Bring in some players who are experienced with and loyal to the new coach to help maintain belief in the locker room. In the meantime, start figuring out the trenches.

 

There looks to be a few decent QB prospects next year. More so than the last couple of years. That should be their main focus right now. IMO at least.

 

Luckily, the Jets dont trust the process.

[Gregg]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

I guess I see this as a very "Drought Bills" move. Spending big money on a couple of names that arent actually going to affect any wins or improvements. We spun our wheels for so long doing that.

 

Then we saw the McBeane plan. Come in as a new regime, trade away the old regime's players, stockpile assets to go get your QB the next year. Bring in some players who are experienced with and loyal to the new coach to help maintain belief in the locker room. In the meantime, start figuring out the trenches.

 

There looks to be a few decent QB prospects next year. More so than the last couple of years. That should be their main focus right now. IMO at least.

 

Luckily, the Jets dont trust the process.

 

Justin Fields is on his 3rd team in 3 years tells me what the Jets season outlook will most likely be. Probably win 7 - 8 wins if things break right for them. Good enough to keep them from getting the top pick but not good enough to make the playoffs. With that said I expect the Bills will have a very tough game against them at MetLife in week 2. The rematch in OP will depend on if the Bills need the game or not. If they have everything locked up (division, seeding) then the Jets will probably win since the Bills will treat it like a preseason game. If the Bills need the game, then they will win comfortably in OP. 

[Paup 1995MVP]

20 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

The Jets in recent drafts have been building the OL. Their DL is decent as well. They don't have a QB as Fields is on his 3rd team already. I guess the plan is to get one in the draft next year.

There O line looked like trash last year.  And has pretty much been that way since Kevin Mawae retired.  Is Tyron Smith still playing for them?  I think he got stuck in his stance in week 9 last year, and hasn't moved since.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

I guess I see this as a very "Drought Bills" move. Spending big money on a couple of names that arent actually going to affect any wins or improvements. We spun our wheels for so long doing that.

 

Then we saw the McBeane plan. Come in as a new regime, trade away the old regime's players, stockpile assets to go get your QB the next year. Bring in some players who are experienced with and loyal to the new coach to help maintain belief in the locker room. In the meantime, start figuring out the trenches.

 

There looks to be a few decent QB prospects next year. More so than the last couple of years. That should be their main focus right now. IMO at least.

 

Luckily, the Jets dont trust the process.

 

We didn't have any players at the level of Wilson or Gardner when McBeane came to town. If we had, we wouldn't have traded them either. Those are both franchise cornerstone players at premium positions and the Jets would be crazy not to keep them around for the rebuild.

[bigK14094]

I have not seen that level of play from him in his games against the Bills.

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

We didn't have any players at the level of Wilson or Gardner when McBeane came to town. If we had, we wouldn't have traded them either. Those are both franchise cornerstone players at premium positions and the Jets would be crazy not to keep them around for the rebuild.

Actually, Beane traded Sammy Watkins........and Cordy Glenn.....perhaps more.

[Kirby Jackson]

The Benford deal may be the best contract of this regime. What a steal

[RoscoeParrish]

5 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:

I have not seen that level of play from him in his games against the Bills.

Actually, Beane traded Sammy Watkins........and Cordy Glenn.....perhaps more.

Beane declined Sammy Watkins’ 5 year option. He was not a Wilson caliber of player.

 

They traded Glenn a year later after already drafting his replacement. 

[RoscoeParrish]

3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

I guess I see this as a very "Drought Bills" move. Spending big money on a couple of names that arent actually going to affect any wins or improvements. We spun our wheels for so long doing that.

 

Then we saw the McBeane plan. Come in as a new regime, trade away the old regime's players, stockpile assets to go get your QB the next year. Bring in some players who are experienced with and loyal to the new coach to help maintain belief in the locker room. In the meantime, start figuring out the trenches.

 

There looks to be a few decent QB prospects next year. More so than the last couple of years. That should be their main focus right now. IMO at least.

 

Luckily, the Jets dont trust the process.

I’m curious how you think the Bills “start figuring out the trenches?”

 

Lets look back at season 2 of McD and Beane.

 

They fielded perhaps the worst OL in football in years two of the Beane regime. Their only good addition was Dawkins. The rest of the starters included Miller, Vlad Ducasse, Jordan Mills. 

 

they made two additions to the DL, Star and Trent Murphy, both who were very uninspiring in Bills uniforms. The rest of the DL were holdovers from the 2016 roster.

 

The Bills eventually built a good OL in 2020 (and are still arguably searching for a good DL) but let’s compare apples to apples.  The new Jets staff took over 6 months ago. 

[HappyDays]

26 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:

Actually, Beane traded Sammy Watkins........and Cordy Glenn.....perhaps more.

 

Right, so like I said we did not have a Wilson or Gardner caliber of player to be traded.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

Sauce Gardener is all hype. Cool nick name, big market, cocky = overrated. Jets think they have the next Revis, but I think he’s closer to Jalen Ramsey. 
 

Essentially paid 2 Christian Benfords for 1 Sauce Gardener…

 

I absolutely love watching this franchise crash & burn. They’re going to have to luck out like Cleveland did, draft top 5 every year, and accidentally fall into a talented team. This is why I respect Beane who has put together a great team with later picks and not overspending. 

Edited July 16 by ChronicAndKnuckles

[DrDawkinstein]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

We didn't have any players at the level of Wilson or Gardner when McBeane came to town. If we had, we wouldn't have traded them either. Those are both franchise cornerstone players at premium positions and the Jets would be crazy not to keep them around for the rebuild.

 

1 hour ago, RoscoeParrish said:

I’m curious how you think the Bills “start figuring out the trenches?”

 

Lets look back at season 2 of McD and Beane.

 

They fielded perhaps the worst OL in football in years two of the Beane regime. Their only good addition was Dawkins. The rest of the starters included Miller, Vlad Ducasse, Jordan Mills. 

 

they made two additions to the DL, Star and Trent Murphy, both who were very uninspiring in Bills uniforms. The rest of the DL were holdovers from the 2016 roster.

 

The Bills eventually built a good OL in 2020 (and are still arguably searching for a good DL) but let’s compare apples to apples.  The new Jets staff took over 6 months ago. 

 

 

Guys... this isnt a perfect, 100% 1:1 analogy. But the bones are the same. Its more about the big picture overall plan than matching up exact players.

 

You can say we didnt have anyone as talented... sure, but most folks feel Gardner has been more hype and disappointing, much like Sammy.

 

And while the Bills didnt get the OL figured out right away, they were at least trying. Way more movement in the trenches here than in NY this year.

 

I dont remember Beane handing out 2 HUGE contracts right away tho either.

 

But if you think this is the plan that will work for the Jets and they are on the right track and setting themselves up to draft a great QB next year, I'm sure Gang Green is happy to have your support.

 

 

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Right, so like I said we did not have a Wilson or Gardner caliber of player to be traded.

 

Even worse then because the Jets likely would have been able to bring in quite a haul for those better players.

[3rdand12]

22 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:

Enough to be called a “game changer?”

 

I think so. 
 

Sauce was really not great last year but that whole team was a total disaster. I think they all gave up to a degree.

 

The two prior years, the defense was elite and Sauce was a big part of that. 
 

I don’t think he’s the second coming of Revis, but similar to the old LoB Seahawks, refs seem to let him be grabby because he has a rep of being a great corner. That by itself is valuable. 
 

I think that’s really hard to say because no one is in a vacuum.

 

take Edmunds for example. The 2023 Bears had a boatload of cap space and no one to spend it on. They overspent, considerably for a player who was solid. Now was he worth “that” contract? Certainly to the Bills, no. Was he worth it to the Bears who desperately needed back 7 talent, even if they had to overspend to get there? I can see the argument.

 

That’s where I think there’s the greatest argument to overspend on Cook.

 

You can say “in a vacuum, I wouldn’t pay this player X amount or higher,” but we aren’t in a vacuum. We are the 2025 Bills. Cook is a playmaker on an offense that imo needs one more, not one less. 
 

So is he maybe worth less in a vacuum than what he wants? I lean yes. Is he worth more to us than he is in a vacuum? I also lean yes.

 

I think that’s similar to Sauce. Now, his market in a vacuum is also probably a little bit less (but not much), but on a team trying to find their defensive identity again, walking away from a 2 time All Pro at 24 years old seems counterproductive.

Thank you very much for taking the time to indulge my sincere inquiries. Especially with such well thought out answers. I am sure others appreciate you as well 👍

[RoscoeParrish]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

 

Guys... this isnt a perfect, 100% 1:1 analogy. But the bones are the same. Its more about the big picture overall plan than matching up exact players.

 

You can say we didnt have anyone as talented... sure, but most folks feel Gardner has been more hype and disappointing, much like Sammy.

 

And while the Bills didnt get the OL figured out right away, they were at least trying. Way more movement in the trenches here than in NY this year.

 

I dont remember Beane handing out 2 HUGE contracts right away tho either.

 

But if you think this is the plan that will work for the Jets and they are on the right track and setting themselves up to draft a great QB next year, I'm sure Gang Green is happy to have your support.

 

 

 

Even worse then because the Jets likely would have been able to bring in quite a haul for those better players.

I’ll be completely honest.

 

i think the “tear down” by the 2017 Bills is the most overrated aspect of the rebuild.

 

The two biggest reasons the Bills are currently where there are today is:

 

1. McD winning over the entire franchise and locker room by coaching his butt off to break the playoff drought. 
 

2. Drafting and developing Josh Allen 

 

That’s 99% of it. Things like trading Sammy or hiring Rick Dennison or signing Star or etc etc are all footnotes.

 

as far as Sauce is disappointing, he’s been AP1 two of three seasons. Most folks feel he’s as disappointing as Sammy?? Do those folks work for the AP?

[YoloinOhio]

It sucks but the Jets are making good personnel moves finally. Obviously a lot more pieces are needed and no idea if Aaron Glenn is a successful HC but can’t hate on the early signings of homegrown talent