Maxwell Hairston named in civil lawsuit for sexual assault

[muppy]

Just now, Victory Formation said:

Give the guy a chance to defend himself, that’s all I ask. A good judge will not make a judgement until he sees all of the facts. Buffalo knew about all of these accusations before we drafted him. Beane says that they feel good about him and that they would vouch for his character.

This guy is set to make millions, if you know what I mean. And I will say this, if she is lying, I hope Hairston counter sues her into oblivion..

perfect. CONCUR

[MJS]

4 minutes ago, muppy said:

it was a metaphor. for assuming that the woman made this story up. To  do so means she is evil

 

IMHO

 

 

 

 

not just a tad devil BIG EVIL u feel me?

I did no such thing. I made zero assumptions. In fact, I did the opposite. I stated the facts, which are that we do not know what happened, if anything. In fact, you made assumptions by saying you know what this girl is going through and how she feels. Well, you simply don't, because you don't know if she was assaulted by Hairston or not. You don't know if she is being sincere or not. None of us know anything, so assumptions should not be made either way.

 

If he is guilty, he should go to jail and never play a down in the NFL (which won't happen because this is a civil case, but still). But we don't know if he is or isn't.

[Dablitzkrieg]

Trauma dumping never helped anyone.  I also think she made it up, that's my opinion.  If she didn't, I'll be the first to apologize 

[muppy]

12 minutes ago, MJS said:

I did no such thing. I made zero assumptions. In fact, I did the opposite. I stated the facts, which are that we do not know what happened, if anything. In fact, you made assumptions by saying you know what this girl is going through and how she feels. Well, you simply don't, because you don't know if she was assaulted by Hairston or not. You don't know if she is being sincere or not. None of us know anything, so assumptions should not be made either way.

 

If he is guilty, he should go to jail and never play a down in the NFL (which won't happen because this is a civil case, but still). But we don't know if he is or isn't.

ALL bases are covered. Okay you are 100% right. 

 

goodnight

Edited July 7 by muppy

[Avisan]

2 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

I know you are just putting “assumptions” out there to prove a point, but I gotta tell you, the way you worded the male role in all this creeps me out (as a father of three girls). Way too much rationalization and downplaying language for me to stomach. No offense to you personally. 
 

 

I just want to say that I definitely experienced the squickiness of the language pertaining to his actions.  That said...

 

I think it's an unpleasant but genuine reality.  Statistically, a huge chunk of men commit at least one sexual assault in their lives and will admit to behaviors that qualify as sexual assault as long as you don't refer to it as sexual assault.  The statistical range is roughly 1/5 to 1/3 of college males.  Paradoxically, young men that have lots of consensual sex are actually more likely to commit sexual assault because they are more likely to find themselves in scenarios where they expect/anticipate sex based on prior experiences, which leads to them either not noticing or ignoring cues of uncertainty or non-consent from someone they want to have sex with.  It's very likely that a large number of current Bills have committed acts that could be accurately described as sexual assault from the perspective of the other party, and most of those dudes are likely not even aware of it.

 

While it's at lower rates than men, women do it, too.  I am far from god's gift to sex appeal, and I had two different situations in college where women tried to take advantage of the fact that I was inebriated.  They didn't mean harm, they were just trying to get laid, but if I were not a 6' dude that felt comfortable just waiting for a moment to physically get away it could have been a very unpleasant situation.  At least two of my male friends that I know of also had close calls, including one where a girl was very clearly deliberately taking advantage of his inebriation and inexperience to try to keep him from leaving, and he ultimately had to be bailed out by friends who realized something was wrong.  At least one male friend that I know of was successfully assaulted by a woman in college.  It's an unfortunate element of human behavior that is very prevalent.

 

We have a daughter, a son, and another daughter on the way.  They're young, and we're doing our best to help them understand consent and boundaries both for themselves and others from the get-go.  Honestly, it's rough going, and we're going to have to work our butts off to get it to stick.  Not everybody innately understands the potential harm in what they want, even when it's harmful, which is why it's so important to consistently hammer this stuff home.

 

Things that seem like they should be obvious aren't always obvious to otherwise decent, well-intentioned people, and sometimes otherwise decent, well-intentioned people commit sexual assault to get their perceived needs met.  It's why it's such a tough problem to solve, and why people struggle with it so much.  We want to believe that only monstrous people are capable of committing sexual assault, but sometimes it's normal, everyday folks, including the sweet, empathetic elementary education grad student that has always wanted to work with kids, posted a ton about her own genuine experiences during the height of #metoo... and also tried to prevent a drunk dude with a girlfriend from leaving her hotel room at the end of a group get-together when she was feeling lonely and horny as a college undergrad.

[pennstate10]

5 hours ago, Einstein said:

Goodness gracious. Some fans would defend Hitler if he was in a Bills jersey.

There we have it. 
Godwin for the win. 

[GunnerBill]

12 hours ago, Einstein said:

Goodness gracious. Some fans would defend Hitler if he was in a Bills jersey.

 

Hitler, no. But Stalin had some good ideas, if you ignore the genocide..... 

[Mr. WEO]

11 hours ago, Billl said:

I’ve worked in the industry my whole life and can tell you with 100% certainty that you are wrong.  It isn’t even uncommon for an insurance company to pay certain claims simply because its cheaper than fighting it even if the other party has a flimsy case at best.

 

every defendant claims they did nothing wrong. but if there are demonstrable damages they may settle.

11 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Speaking of insurance….Does anyone know whether Max can get (or may already have) insurance against such a claim? 

 

too late for that...

Edited July 7 by Mr. WEO

[BringBackFergy]

13 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Speaking of insurance….Does anyone know whether Max can get (or may already have) insurance against such a claim? 

Coverage is determined at the time of the alleged act.  His current insurance coverage as an NFL player will deny coverage.

 

The question is whether Mom and Dad's insurance carrier will cover his alleged act while visiting the college.  Or, if you want bigger pockets, whether University of Kentucky should have taken better steps to protect students (like the plaintiff) from football recruits visiting the campus.

[Max Fischer]

It's crazy how sure people are about something they nothing about. I "hope" the lawsuit is bogus but these matters can be extremely tricky.

 

I'd rather quietly let the process playout than wish-cast his innocence or burn him to the stake. 

Edited July 7 by Max Fischer

[Doc Brown]

4 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:

It's crazy how sure people are about something they nothing about. I "hope" the lawsuit is bogus but these matters can be extremely tricky.

 

I'd rather quietly let the process playout than wish-cast his innocence or burn him to the stake. 

New here?

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

New here?

 

I think he’s just upset that he got in line for the pitch forks, but the torch line moved much faster. He’s disenchanted by the process we use, and he seems to be giving up.  

 

Letting the process play out is not part of our typical process. It can be confusing. 

[SoCal Deek]

40 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

Coverage is determined at the time of the alleged act.  His current insurance coverage as an NFL player will deny coverage.

 

The question is whether Mom and Dad's insurance carrier will cover his alleged act while visiting the college.  Or, if you want bigger pockets, whether University of Kentucky should have taken better steps to protect students (like the plaintiff) from football recruits visiting the campus.

Thanks. I was thinking more along the lines of insurance against nuisance lawsuits. (And before people jump to conclusions…I’m not saying this is one!) I’m not sure how it would work, or how much you’d have to pay in premiums but it seems like you can get insurance against just about anything as long as you’re willing to pay for it. Athletes have been known to get insurance on their knees or shoulders. Maybe the very existence of such a policy would make you even more of a target, but I could imagine all sorts of claims being filed against young athletes who suddenly come into big money. 

[Beck Water]

30 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:

It's crazy how sure people are about something they nothing about. I "hope" the lawsuit is bogus but these matters can be extremely tricky.

 

I'd rather quietly let the process playout than wish-cast his innocence or burn him to the stake. 

 

I respect that.

 

I'd just like to point out that innocence and guilt, in a legal sense, are not at issue in a civil suit where the standard of proof is "more likely than not".

 

I do wonder how many people commenting here actually read the suit?   If one clicks on the OP article, it's linked.

Edited July 7 by Beck Water

[Doc Brown]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I think he’s just upset that he got in line for the pitch forks, but the torch line moved much faster. He’s disenchanted by the process we use, and he seems to be giving up.  

 

Letting the process play out is not part of our typical process. It can be confusing. 

To be fair this whole thing somehow turned into a somewhat interesting discussion of whether a victim was entitled to all the punitive damages (money) in a civil suit like this.  It's such a ridiculously obvious answer but I enjoyed hearing the idiotic alternatives.

[Warriorspikes51]

I really like Beane....this off-season has been disappointing for the franchise.   A few good moves were made
 

but multiple players immediately being suspended and now this nonsense again (even if he's innocent)

 

very annoying 

[SoCal Deek]

8 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

To be fair this whole thing somehow turned into a somewhat interesting discussion of whether a victim was entitled to all the punitive damages (money) in a civil suit like this.  It's such a ridiculously obvious answer but I enjoyed hearing the idiotic alternatives.

Morning Doc

If you’re referring to my posts, I never once said that the prevailing party isn’t ’entitled’ to the punitive damages…not once. 

[Beck Water]

58 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

Coverage is determined at the time of the alleged act.  His current insurance coverage as an NFL player will deny coverage.

 

The question is whether Mom and Dad's insurance carrier will cover his alleged act while visiting the college.  Or, if you want bigger pockets, whether University of Kentucky should have taken better steps to protect students (like the plaintiff) from football recruits visiting the campus.

 

According to the lawsuit, Hairston was enrolled at U of K and residing in the same dorm as the young woman who filed the lawsuit at the time the alleged acts occurred.  Was he actually not enrolled in 2020/2021?

[Augie]

14 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Morning Doc

If you’re referring to my posts, I never once said that the prevailing party isn’t ’entitled’ to the punitive damages…not once. 

 

Well, I believe you said it would be easier to swallow if the money went to a charity, or something like that. For some reason…. 

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Well, I believe you said it would be easier to swallow if the money went to a charity, or something like that. For some reason…. 

With all due respect, that is NOT what I said Augie. But it’s clearly what you think I said.