Dolphins trade Jalen Ramsey/Jonnu Smith to Steelers for Minkah Fitzpatrick, picks, per Ian Rap.

[BullBuchanan]

29 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Weird trade. Fitzpatrick was the best player traded. Miami gave up 2 good players. This was a Madden trade

How is that weird? Seems close to equal value when you consider the cap dump.

[PoundingDog]

3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

 

To be honest, the Steelers are known for that back in Polamalu days, and Polamalu was criticized back in his days for free ranging too much. Polamalu is a first ballot HoF. The Steelers were talking about letting Fitzpatrick to do the same to maximize his talent last few years. Well last 2 years showed that he is NOT Polamalu. 

[dave mcbride]

Weird how many folks here think a safety (Fitzpatrick) is more valuable than an elite boundary corner. If people watch other games not involving Josh Allen, they might recognize that Ramsey is very good. Most league personnel certainly think that way. Fitzpatrick hasn't been that great the last couple of seasons, btw. Opposing QBs' passer rating against in in 2024 was 127.6. That's not a misprint. 

 

Anyway, an elite-level (talent-wise) boundary corner is more valuable than a safety, and in six of their last seven games last season including the playoffs, the Steelers D was basically shredded by Philly, Cincy x2, Baltimore x2, and KC. The lone good game they had late in the season was against the Browns, who didn't have capable quarterback. 

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

I'd rather have Ramsey on the Dolphins than Fitzpatrick.

 

Josh shreds Ramsey. Fitzpatrick is a very competent player.

Ya but, now he is in Miami now, he is going to be compensating for other middling players and not be able to concentrate specifically on his own 1/11, 

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, Don Otreply said:

Ya but, now he is in Miami now, he is going to be compensating for other middling players and not be able to concentrate specifically on his own 1/11, 

Which he apparently did not do last year while in Pittsburgh.

[HOUSE]

A power shift in the AFC East

 

 

[dave mcbride]

Just now, HOUSE said:

A power shift in the AFC East

 

 

This is all about Pitt trying to put it together for a run in a brutal division with two elite QBs whose teams are also all in. They're all in, collecting stud boundary athletes like Metcalf and Ramsey so that they can a) actually play man with conviction on D and b) win regularly on the outside on offense with a near-impossible-to-cover-completely specimen.  Ramsey basically forced his way out, and the Dolphins took what they could get, which wasn't much.

[PoundingDog]

I always remembered this play and that's at Minkah's peak year.

[JP51]

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

What a strange trade all around. Not even sure if there is a clear cut winner in this one 

clear cut, I agree... both got rid of some headache, Dolphins get the better player, Steelers win position value but  I lean Steelers...because of Jonnu Smith...I thought he was a really nice weapon for them last year... he seemed to be hard for us to handle in the 2ndry I am glad he is gone he would have led our team in WR yards last year... Not sure what the Dolphins werent liking in him... 

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[DrDawkinstein]

24 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Weird how many folks here think a safety (Fitzpatrick) is more valuable than an elite boundary corner. 

 

There is no elite boundary corner in this specific discussion tho. Ramsey is old and washed.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

1 hour ago, Roundybout said:

 

Wow. Miami fleeced them. I think they finally realized that Jalen Ramsey has been Josh Allen’s B word for the entirety of his career. The Dolphins are in desperation mode. Allen has been destroying that defense since he came into the league. Time to do something different. Minkah Fitzpatrick is a complete Safety. Not sure what the Steelers are thinking, but this isn’t good for the Bills. Will it amount to wins? 

 

[HappyDays]

10 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Not sure what the Steelers are thinking, but this isn’t good for the Bills.

 

It is good for the Bills. Last year we had trouble separating outside, and one of our division rivals now has nobody that can cover outside. Bills fans have an unduly negative opinion of Ramsey because of comments he made in the past about Allen. He is no longer in his prime but he is still a very good outside CB. In our matchups last year our WRs couldn't do anything against him.

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

The Dolphins now have zero starting caliber outside CBs.

Josh should have 2x 500 yard games this year

[The Wiz]

 

[Low Positive]

People are judging the players against each other, and in this case, Fitzpatrick is a better player than Ramsay at this point. But the Fins just traded their #1 CB and #1TE for a Safety. That's a bad trade and it doesn't matter how good the safety is.

[Utah John]

I think the salary cap helped drive this trade.  The Dolphins unload a very good player (Ramsey) who nevertheless costs more than he's worth, and an expensive yet mediocre tight end (Smith), and get a single player back who's better and cheaper than the players they let go.  Apparently the Steelers have the salary cap cash to pay for these additions along with Aaron Rodgers.  

 

Just wondering if the Bills could have made a similar move, trading, say, Benford plus a JAG to get Fitzpatrick.  I think the Bills would not be interested in this.  Benford is a quiet assassin and fits the Bills' scheme.  Fitzpatrick is a wild man and might not thrive in a more structured system like what the Bills do.  Anyway that's just a random thought, not something we would have considered.  

[gordong]

two over rated teams...  meh trade. 

[MAJBobby]

4 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

People are judging the players against each other, and in this case, Fitzpatrick is a better player than Ramsay at this point. But the Fins just traded their #1 CB and #1TE for a Safety. That's a bad trade and it doesn't matter how good the safety is.

Specially when they are already deep in the Safety with young talent. Then have nothing behind Smith or Ramsey. 

[machine gun kelly]

As long as we have Josh, we’ll be fine.  Besides, the Fish are weak in every way.

[JJGauna]

Steelers moving on at the right time, adding two guys that can immediately improve their roster.

 

Dolphins adding a decent safety, but with a hefty price tag. I think the Steelers won this trade.