McDermott not in Top 10 of NFL coaches per PFF.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

12 hours ago, Fleezoid said:

Well 6 of those have won Super Bowls and Shanahan has been to 1.  I weight that pretty heavily. Two of the rest are debatable, but I get the above comment about Stefanski. I don't get that one. 

 

He won coach of the year 2x... but he's also never won the division and missed the playoffs 3/5 times.  

[SoTier]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

At least 75% posters on here don’t seem to get this. 
No Josh Allen = .500-.600 coaching record for McD

 

Your assumption is bull manure because you are simply projecting your opinion onto the entire TSW comunity.

 

Secondly, you have no idea who the Bills would have at QB if they didn't have Allen.  You are assuming that the Bills would have some dud, but with Beane as GM, I think that's unlikely.   What if in 2018, Beane stayed at #12, drafted Lamar rather than trading up to get Allen, and used the draft capital he'd accumulated to draft more supporting players -- like WRs or DLers etc?

 

 

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

I agree. And that is part of the reason why I have been a staunch supporter of keeping McD. It’s also why I stated (in the post you quoted) that my argument is not against McD, but rather against the argument that 2017 proves anything. Marrone and Mularkey both led us to 9-7 records - they just weren’t lucky enough to do so in a year where 9-7 meant a playoff berth. 

 

From another perspective: Rex Ryan went 8-8 with the same roster that McD went 9-7. 

 

Actually, Mularkey wasn't unlucky.  He failed to have his team prepared for the Steelers who came into the season finale with nothing to play for -- just like the Bills in last season's finale.   An UDFA rookie named Willie Parker ran for 100+ yards against the Bills starters.   The final score didn't reflect how badly the Bills got smacked around by Pitt's second and third stringers.

 

Edited 8 hours ago by SoTier

[Mr. WEO]

12 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

PFF sucks and he's absolutely a top 5-7 coach 

 

Do you remember the roster that he got us to the playoffs with? Charles Clay was our number one pass catching option 

 

 

 

Plenty of mediocre coaches have gotten to a playoff game.

 

top 5 take this roster to the SB, simply put.  

[pennstate10]

The Super Bowl criteria is tough. 
 

Bills are up against an alltime great coach/qb combo. 
 

Reminds me of the 1970s Oilers who were always blocked by the Steelers. 

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Your assumption is bull manure because you are simply projecting your opinion onto the entire TSW comunity.

 

Secondly, you have no idea who the Bills would have at QB if they didn't have Allen.  You are assuming that the Bills would have some dud, but with Beane as GM, I think that's unlikely.   What if in 2018, Beane stayed at #12, drafted Lamar rather than trading up to get Allen, and used the draft capital he'd accumulated to draft more supporting players -- like WRs or DLers etc.

 

 

 

Actually, Mularkey wasn't unlucky.  He failed to have his team prepared for the Steelers who came into the season finale with nothing to play for -- just like the Bills in last season's finale.   An UDFA rookie named Willie Parker ran for 100+ yards against the Bills starters.   The final score didn't reflect how badly the Bills got smacked around by Pitt's second and third stringers.

 

 

I agree with this, except I think the loss in the regular season finale was a thing of beauty, and actually a sign of McD’s growth. That was a masterfully played loss to drop the Cheaters* out of the top spot in the draft. How to lose without looking like you are trying to lose is an art. 

[Don Otreply]

Sean as good as he obviously is will be forever tainted by one game, and we all know which game that is, and why. 

 

Sean took this organization from a perennial loser to being a perennial contender division champion and playoff team,  he doesn’t get the nod he deserves in that way. 
 

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, pennstate10 said:

The Super Bowl criteria is tough. 
 

Bills are up against an alltime great coach/qb combo. 
 

Reminds me of the 1970s Oilers who were always blocked by the Steelers. 

 

Tomlin's one super bowl win involved Tom Brady's torn ACL, and a playoff upset of the colts by the chargers.  

[MikePJ76]

Sean Mcdermott lost to Jason Garrett's offfense two weeks in a row to blow the division and then a wild card game.  He broke the cowboys playoff drought.

 

Reid fired him a year later after his defense stunk in the playoffs again.  Replaced him with an offensive coach at DC.

 

That is what I think of when I think of mcdermott honestly.  The Bills are good and he runs a good culture and locker room but I can't help that is what i think of.

 

I am not sure he ever gets over the hump here but he isn't going anywhere so it's all a waste of time discussing it honestly.

[Kirby Jackson]

I’m not big on McDermott. I think he’s fine. He’s like the Brock Purdy of HCs to me. He could be top 10. It’s not an outrage that he’s not. McDermott has a generational QB who has been outstanding in the biggest moments. McDermott and his defense have failed in those moments. You could do worse but you could do better. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Payton's ahead of him because of getting a rookie QB to the playoffs or whatever.  But he was absolutely outcoached in the playoffs against buffalo to an almost embarassing degree.  That was the popular "Upset alert" and they promptly got stomped.  

 

To me - PFF is supposed to be the "analytics" group, and this article didn't offer much of anything to back it up.  

[Gregg]

Fair or not McDermott will be judged by winning a Super Bowl. If he wins one, then he will be considered a legendary coach in WNY. If he doesn't then fans will be angry at Terry Pegula for keeping a coach who wasted Allen's career. 

[LarryMadman]

15 minutes ago, pennstate10 said:

The Super Bowl criteria is tough. 
 

Bills are up against an alltime great coach/qb combo. 
 

Reminds me of the 1970s Oilers who were always blocked by the Steelers. 

I think our QB is better. If our coach was better then they (KC) would be up against an all time great coach/QB combo but our coach isnt nearly as good

[Kirby Jackson]

6 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

Payton's ahead of him because of getting a rookie QB to the playoffs or whatever.  But he was absolutely outcoached in the playoffs against buffalo to an almost embarassing degree.  That was the popular "Upset alert" and they promptly got stomped.  

 

To me - PFF is supposed to be the "analytics" group, and this article didn't offer much of anything to back it up.  

Do you believe that Sean McDermott is a better head coach than Sean Payton? If so, we STRONGLY disagree. Payton has a Super Bowl and would have 2 without the worst call in NFL History. He changed the momentum of the Super Bowl with a surprise onside kick. He went to Denver with a bottom 10 roster and went to the playoffs. Sean Payton is a way better coach than Sean McDermott. 

[SoMAn]

Looking at head-to-head, McDermott has done well against the coaches on that list. A couple of near misses (Eagles, Broncos) thanks to FGs.  

But beyond that, lists and rankings are subjective.

They're typically nothing more than a means for lazy content providers to publish something to stir up debate and get clicks when they've got nothing to write about. 

 

 

[FireChans]

58 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

We are not that far apart, to be honest. I just give McD more credit than you do. McD would have improved upon that winning % given a little more time without Josh imo, but we are back to speculation. 

The greatest HC of all time was like .500 without the greatest QB of all time.

 

I think it’s safe to say McDermott isn’t in Bill Belichick territory, no? Speculating he would be far better than the greatest coach ever is kind of a bridge too far imo.

Edited 7 hours ago by FireChans

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Do you believe that Sean McDermott is a better head coach than Sean Payton? If so, we STRONGLY disagree. Payton has a Super Bowl and would have 2 without the worst call in NFL History. He changed the momentum of the Super Bowl with a surprise onside kick. He went to Denver with a bottom 10 roster and went to the playoffs. Sean Payton is a way better coach than Sean McDermott. 

 

I think you're talking about his legacy which is fine - he has a better resume than McDermott. 

 

In the upcoming season...?  I don't really see him as the #2 coach going into the season.  Other than beating the chiefs backups in week 18, they lost their last 3 games and beat almost no one with a winning record all year.  

[JK Fan]

I am not a fan of PFF and in this case, I totally disagree.  Some in their top 10 deserve it but to put Stefanski in ahead of McDermott is frankly a joke.

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, WIDE LEFT said:

When McD, in Houston game last year, had Allen throwing 3 passes out of his own end zone at end of game, allowing Houston to win game with field goal, Mike Greenberg commented “It may not be the worst decision made this season, but it will be the dumbest” I agreed. McD then went on to make the WORST decision of the season, 2nd & goal with less than 50 seconds, calling a timeout which insured that the Bills had to recover an onside kickoff  for a chance to tie or win game. Tom Brady, calling the game immediately said you just can’t do that. Eight years as head coach with a history of head scratching decisions- makes the dumbest and the worst decision(s) of the 2024 season, and we are wondering why he is not a top ten HC? 

 

You do know that Allen made some of those bad decisions in the final drive of the Houston game and its why McD was pissed on the sidelines right?

[FireChans]

43 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Do you believe that Sean McDermott is a better head coach than Sean Payton? If so, we STRONGLY disagree. Payton has a Super Bowl and would have 2 without the worst call in NFL History. He changed the momentum of the Super Bowl with a surprise onside kick. He went to Denver with a bottom 10 roster and went to the playoffs. Sean Payton is a way better coach than Sean McDermott. 

You are a Payton guy, but if McD went 7-9 three straight years with prime Josh Allen, there would be blood in the streets.

 

Payton had the better highs, but I don’t think he’s THAT much better tbh. 

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

Actually, Mularkey wasn't unlucky.  He failed to have his team prepared for the Steelers who came into the season finale with nothing to play for -- just like the Bills in last season's finale.   An UDFA rookie named Willie Parker ran for 100+ yards against the Bills starters.   The final score didn't reflect how badly the Bills got smacked around by Pitt's second and third stringers.

 

 

Call it whatever you want, he still missed the playoffs with the same exact record that McDermott made the playoffs.