Network pricing to watch all NFL games in 2025

[first_and_ten]

On 6/5/2025 at 9:29 AM, Einstein said:

 

I will never understand people advocating illegal streams. 

 

For some reason, it being media makes it pallatable for people to say things like like this. But most of us would never say “oh that restaurant meal was expensive - but there are ways to skip out the door before paying without the waitress knowing”. 

 

Why not just straight up say “i’m a thief”?

 

Remember Napster? The music industry were ripping people off with the price of music. The price of albums were ridiculous. Look at it now because people used Napster and subsequent streaming services. The NFL is trying to rip us off as well. Look at the money they get from the networks. It's insane. How much is enough for these greedy owners? I personally don't look for roundabouts, but calling these people thieves is a bit much, IMHO.

[Big Turk]

I just stream anything I want to watch online. Great feeds, watch 3-4 extra games on Sunday that way while having the main 1pm and 4pm games on.

[Johnny Bravo]

48 minutes ago, first_and_ten said:

 

Remember Napster? The music industry were ripping people off with the price of music. The price of albums were ridiculous. Look at it now because people used Napster and subsequent streaming services. The NFL is trying to rip us off as well. Look at the money they get from the networks. It's insane. How much is enough for these greedy owners? I personally don't look for roundabouts, but calling these people thieves is a bit much, IMHO.

How are they ripping you off?  The NFL offers a product that comes for a price they are charging.  If you think the product is worth the price you buy it.  If you don’t, then you don’t.

 

We all love the Bills here.  For me, frankly, the idea of not being a Bills fan anymore is analogous to not being a brother to my brother.  It’s unthinkable.  But that love of the Bills and decades of devotion doesn’t give me any right to someone else’s product that I haven’t paid for.

 

i live in Virginia where I don’t get every Bills game for free like Buffalonians do.  I want to watch the games live so I pay for the Sunday Ticket.  In the past when I couldn’t afford Sunday Ticket I watched the recorded games on GamePass through NFL.com.

 

Lastly.  Why is it that the owners are considered greedy?  I notice it is always the other person who is being greedy.  I’m certainly not greedy when I try to maximize my salary from my employer and I would assume no one here would consider themselves greedy for doing the same.  But an NFL owner wants to maximize the return on his BILLION dollar investment and he is condemned for being greedy.  An owner doing the same thing I do-trying to maximize a return on investments-isn’t more greedy than I am just because his net worth has a lot more zeros than mine does.

Edited 16 hours ago by Johnny Bravo

[first_and_ten]

4 minutes ago, Johnny Bravo said:

How are they ripping you off?  The NFL offers a product that comes for a price they are charging.  If you think the product is worth the price you buy it.  If you don’t, then you don’t.

 

We all love the Bills here.  For me, frankly, the idea of not being a Bills fan anymore is analogous to not being a brother to my brother.  It’s unthinkable.  But that love of the Bills and decades of devotion doesn’t give me any right to someone else’s product that I haven’t paid for.

 

i live in Virginia where I don’t get every Bills game for free like Buffalonians do.  I want to watch the games live so I pay for the Sunday Ticket.  In the past when I couldn’t afford Sunday Ticket I watched the recorded games on GamePass through NFL.com.

 

Lastly.  Why is it that the owners are considered greedy?  I notice it is always the other person who is being greedy.  I’m certainly not greedy when I try to maximize my salary from my employer and I would assume no one here would consider themselves greedy for doing the same.  But an NFL owner wants to maximize the return on his BILLION dollar investment and he is condemned for being greedy.  An owner doing the same thing I do-trying to maximize a return on investments-isn’t more greedy than I am just because his net worth has a lot more zeros than mine does.

 

The same way the recording industry were ripping people off. If there was a natural disaster and people could not find water, to overcharge for something people need is wrong, right? I know that football is not a need, but I hope you get my point. They know how much people love football, so they squeeze ever dime that that they can get. That's greed. Greed is wrong. because of this greed, there are many people who love football that cannot afford to pay for it. What about those people? Do you care about them? We already know that the owners don't, as we see it in their actions. 

 

Your last point: Are you trying to defend the owners now? Are you going to actually try to say they are not greedy? Trying to get a raise from your employer is just not a good analogy. I have to laugh when you say the owners want to maximize their return on their billion dollar investment. The day after they buy a franchise, their investment has gone way up. Look at Bill's worth now compared to the price that Pegula paid. 

[Johnny Bravo]

1 hour ago, first_and_ten said:

 

The same way the recording industry were ripping people off. If there was a natural disaster and people could not find water, to overcharge for something people need is wrong, right? I know that football is not a need, but I hope you get my point. They know how much people love football, so they squeeze ever dime that that they can get. That's greed. Greed is wrong. because of this greed, there are many people who love football that cannot afford to pay for it. What about those people? Do you care about them? We already know that the owners don't, as we see it in their actions. 

 

Your last point: Are you trying to defend the owners now? Are you going to actually try to say they are not greedy? Trying to get a raise from your employer is just not a good analogy. I have to laugh when you say the owners want to maximize their return on their billion dollar investment. The day after they buy a franchise, their investment has gone way up. Look at Bill's worth now compared to the price that Pegula paid. 

First, you are right.  Watching your favorite football team live is not a need. Second, even with needs like water, the fact that they are needs doesn't change what it costs to provide them.  In a natural disaster, the costs of providing those needs goes up and should be reflected in the price.  In fact, in a free market high prices in a time of disaster are a good thing for a few reasons.  1) because they discourage hoarding.  If a bottle of water costs $10 people will buy only what they really need therefore rationing the scarce critical resource so that everyone can have it.  2) because the high prices signal a demand from consumers (and they signal a chance for profits for providers)-which incentivizes those providers to provided the critical resources needed.  

 

I say that only to say that it is NEVER as simple as greedy and evil-even though thinking that way can be used to justify doing what we want to do.

 

In the end, if one really believes that the owners are being greedy, one should then refuse to feed into their greed by boycotting their product

Otherwise, you are left with trying to defend the idea that two wrongs make a right-they are "greedy" so it is okay for me to steal.

[agilen]

11 hours ago, Draconator said:

Delaware is regarded as the lowest cost to file an LLC. Here is the breakdown of what it costs to file an LLC in Delaware:

 

Registered Agent Services (optional): $50-$300 annually.

Certified Copies (optional): $50 per certified copy.

Certificate of Formation Filing Fee: $110.

Expedited Filing (optional): $50-$100.

Name Reservation (optional): $75.

Delaware Franchise Tax: $300 annually.

 

A far cry from $40. 

 

I mean Kentucky is $40: https://www.sos.ky.gov/bus/business-filings/Pages/Fees.aspx . (Companies don't choose Delaware because filing fees are cheap, they chose it due to the legal and tax climate there.)  But regardless of how much any state costs, filing for an LLC is a very tiny cost for your IPTV service, and has no bearing on whether the business they conduct is legal or not.

[Draconator]

2 minutes ago, agilen said:

 

I mean Kentucky is $40: https://www.sos.ky.gov/bus/business-filings/Pages/Fees.aspx . (Companies don't choose Delaware because filing fees are cheap, they chose it due to the legal and tax climate there.)  But regardless of how much any state costs, filing for an LLC is a very tiny cost for your IPTV service, and has no bearing on whether the business they conduct is legal or not.

You really don't know what you are talking about. 

[first_and_ten]

6 hours ago, Johnny Bravo said:

First, you are right.  Watching your favorite football team live is not a need. Second, even with needs like water, the fact that they are needs doesn't change what it costs to provide them.  In a natural disaster, the costs of providing those needs goes up and should be reflected in the price.  In fact, in a free market high prices in a time of disaster are a good thing for a few reasons.  1) because they discourage hoarding.  If a bottle of water costs $10 people will buy only what they really need therefore rationing the scarce critical resource so that everyone can have it.  2) because the high prices signal a demand from consumers (and they signal a chance for profits for providers)-which incentivizes those providers to provided the critical resources needed.  

 

I say that only to say that it is NEVER as simple as greedy and evil-even though thinking that way can be used to justify doing what we want to do.

 

In the end, if one really believes that the owners are being greedy, one should then refuse to feed into their greed by boycotting their product

Otherwise, you are left with trying to defend the idea that two wrongs make a right-they are "greedy" so it is okay for me to steal.

 

You didn't get my point. My point is during a natural disaster, there are people who try to charge exorbitant prices for necessities like water. There is a reason that laws are in place to prevent this type of greed. It's called gouging.  If a bottle of water costs $10, then people will only buy what they need? You're joking right? It seems your worldview is that everyone is an honest broker. It's just not reality.

 

In the end, football doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. Can I watch football and still believe the owners are greedy? Yes, the two things can be true at the same time. Let's agree to disagree. I'm not here to argue. I wish you nothing but the best. Go Bills!!!

[Sierra Foothills]

 

12 hours ago, Johnny Bravo said:

How are they ripping you off?  The NFL offers a product that comes for a price they are charging.  If you think the product is worth the price you buy it.  If you don’t, then you don’t.

 

Again, the "whatever the market will bear" doesn't necessarily equate with "fair market price."

 

There are millions of people who helped the NFL build itself into what it is today... now many of those people are priced out.

 

What is a fair market price?

 

12 hours ago, Johnny Bravo said:

I live in Virginia where I don’t get every Bills game for free like Buffalonians do.  I want to watch the games live so I pay for the Sunday Ticket.  In the past when I couldn’t afford Sunday Ticket I watched the recorded games on GamePass through NFL.com.

 

So you can afford NFL Sunday Ticket, and before that GamePass.

 

That's nice. Not everyone can. It's quite a coincidence that the people who think this is much ado about nothing are the same people who can afford to pay the price.

 

As I said upthread, I can afford to pay to watch games and I do. But I don't like the direction that the owners are choosing and I will walk away when/if it gets to a certain point. And I don't blame those who choose to pirate games. Some of them are protesting what they believe to be unfair business practices and believe that piracy is a legitimate reaction to greed. I don't disagree with them.

 

12 hours ago, Johnny Bravo said:

Lastly.  Why is it that the owners are considered greedy?  I notice it is always the other person who is being greedy.  I’m certainly not greedy when I try to maximize my salary from my employer and I would assume no one here would consider themselves greedy for doing the same.  But an NFL owner wants to maximize the return on his BILLION dollar investment and he is condemned for being greedy.  An owner doing the same thing I do-trying to maximize a return on investments-isn’t more greedy than I am just because his net worth has a lot more zeros than mine does.

 

The late Jim Irsay paid $4 million for a guitar. These owners own private yachts and airplanes, private art collections, etc.

 

That is absolutely their prerogative but if you are not content to simply be wealthy but aspire to be ultra-wealthy... well you just might possibly be greedy... or do you think greed doesn't exist?

 

There's a difference between wanting to maximize your investment and being so selfish that you are price gouging and alienating those customers who helped you build your business.

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Sierra Foothills