Is Daquan Jones a cut candidate?

[BillsFanForever19]

3 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

LOL.  We literally just had three QB's to end the season last year.  You keep switching on me.  

 

Lol that's fair. I forgot we technically added White at the end of the season so that we could call up more than one player from the PS for the Patriots game and then kept him on bc our roster had room.

 

Outside of that scenario, we haven't kept more than 2 since the year we Drafted Fromm. So i'd expect 2.

 

Just for shiz and gigs, this is my way too early 53 prediction. Going through the roster, I actually only see about 51 I'm sure about. I ended up adding Lewis and Ingram just bc there were two spots left over. I have Shenault beating out Codrington as a Returner, but that's a Wild Card/Hot Take. Players like Trubisky and Hamlin I see the Bills brass liking more than posters do. And with Trubisky v. White, they save relatively the same amount of money on a cut, but there's a 1m+ Dead Cap on Trubisky and no Dead Cap hit on White.

 

QB (Same as last year):
Josh Allen #17 
Mitch Trubisky #11 

 

RB (Same as last year):
James Cook #4
Ray Davis #22
Ty Johnson #26
-
Reggie Gilliam #41

 

WR:
Khalil Shakir #10
Josh Palmer #5
Keon Coleman #0
Curtis Samuel #1
Elijah Moore #18
Laviska Shenault #15 (Returner)

 

TE:
Dalton Kincaid #86
Dawson Knox #88
Jackson Hawes #85

 

OL (Same as last year):
Dion Dawkins #73
David Edwards #76
Connor McGovern #66
O'Cyrus Torrence #64
Spencer Brown #79
-
Sedrick Van Pran-Granger #62
Ryan Van Demark #74
Alec Anderson #70
Tylan Grable #68

 

DE: 
Greg Rousseau #50
Joey Bosa #97
AJ Epenesa #57
Landon Jackson #94
Javon Solomon #56

 

DT:
Ed Oliver #91

Daquan Jones #92
T.J. Sanders #98
Deone Walker #96
DeWayne Carter #90

 

LB (Same as last year):
Matt Milano #58
Terrel Bernard #8
Dorian Williams #42
Edefuan Ulofoshio #48
Joe Andreeseen #41

 

CB:
Christian Benford #47
Maxwell Hairston #31
Taron Johnson #7 (NCB)
Tre'Davious White #27
Dorian Strong #43

Ja'Marcus Ingram #46
 
S:
Taylor Rapp #9
Cole Bishop #24
Damar Hamlin #3

Jordan Hancock #37 (NCB/S)
Cam Lewis #33 (NCB/S)

 

ST:
Tyler Bass #2 (K)
Jake Camarda #32 (P)
Reid Ferguson #69 (LS)

 

But yeah... long story short, it's pretty simple to fit all 10 on the DL and carry extra DB's.

 

3 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

 Anyways just for fun I will make a $90 contribution payable to your favorite charity if they have 9 DL on the final 53 roster at the end of training camp.  And if they have 10 or more I will pay $100 to your favorite charity.  No downside for you!  

 

What a guy!

 

https://willowcenterny.org/

Edited 11 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[GunnerBill]

He is a cut candidate, yes. But it isn't anything like a guarantee. I think he has a chance to stay too. But he will have to look good in camp. 

 

For most of last season him being out there was a net negative for the defense.

[machine gun kelly]

10 hours ago, Virgil said:

I could see him being a cut candidate after the suspensions.  He’s worth a spot as a veteran to the rookies in the meantime 

Virg, I was thinking the same as the $5.5 mil., or a little less as mid season could free up for any other need we have to get to the finish line.

[MikePJ76]

Nope.

 

he will get his snaps reduced in hopes that less playing time will maximize his abilities.  I imagine he sees the field less than like 30 or 28 % of snaps or something along those lines barring injuries.

 

had they not, imo, botched the free agent signings in the offseason then there was a chance.  The front office blew it this offseason though with the group of defensive players they signed, again imo so jones job will be safe.  

[YattaOkasan]

1 hour ago, MikePJ76 said:

Nope.

 

he will get his snaps reduced in hopes that less playing time will maximize his abilities.  I imagine he sees the field less than like 30 or 28 % of snaps or something along those lines barring injuries.

 

had they not, imo, botched the free agent signings in the offseason then there was a chance.  The front office blew it this offseason though with the group of defensive players they signed, again imo so jones job will be safe.  

What is the botch specifically? is it signing Ogunjobi?  He feels more like a 3 tech than a 1 tech so I'm not sure how the suspension affects anything.  Or are you saying the botch was not picking up a 1 tech at all?  The defensive players they signed in free agency are just Ogunjobi and the DEs (Bosa and Hoecht) so I'm not sure how they blew it unless you assume they couldve gotten some other player.  

[Your Brown Eye]

[Shaw66]

Hey, everyone.  This is a great discussion.  It's why coming here is so good.  A bunch of people who know at least something about what they're talking about, and a lot of give and take about the player and the situation.  Love it. 

 

I had no opinion until I read the thread.  Here's what I think now:

 

Bottom line, I have to agree with the notion that it's a year, the first of several, to make a run at the Super Bowl. Can't release talent and create a hole if you think you can win it all. 

 

However, there are a couple of countervailing thoughts. One is that the Bills clearly are building for a multi-year Super Bowl run.  Last year they cleared out a lot of veteran talent that contributed but that wasn't likely to be part of that run. Jones is one more of those guys, so I'd think his days are clearly numbered.  The fact that there's a cap savings to be realized is a nice bonus. 

 

The other thought is a the theme I've been on lately, which is the Bills love versatile players, which often means undersized but overachieving guys. Just like the Bills obviously are not in a hurry to get a stud wideout, I think they're also not in a hurry to get a classic one-tech. They have Carter coming back and they've drafted some guys who project as under-sized one-techs. If they have one true big guy who can hold his ground to insert in the lineup on short yardage, I think the Bills might decide to go under-sized one-tech route, hoping to achieve what they need with quickness and competitiveness rather than bulk. 

 

So, there's a way I can see it, but I would guess it's much more likely a move to be made after this season.  

[BullBuchanan]

14 hours ago, Pete said:

 I bet Espeneza gets traded too.

The guy has been on the team for 6 YEARS. C'mon man.

 

[billsfan89]

10 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I went back and checked the final 53. It was 10 in 2024 and ten in 2023.  

I think they get to 10 when Ogunjobi and Hoecht come back.  I think there are just too many question marks in the the defensive backfield not to carry an extra guy there.  They will have four veterans in DQ, Bosa, Oliver, and Rousseau. 

If they keep 10 to start the year then Epenesa will make the final 53.

 

It was 11 although in 2023 as another poster mentioned they started with Von on the PUP so it was 10 but with the intention of adding Von back to 11. Von was for some reason listed as a LB but he's a DE. 

 

I can't see this staff with the care to D-line depth and rotating players along it going in with 9 D-Line. For one there's always injuries so if they go in with 10 by the time they have played 6 games there is likely to be some sort of injury to a D-line player that can have Larry O and Hoecht come back to bump it back up  to 11. I just can't see this coaching staff going any lower than 10 DL at any point unless there is an injury and even then they will have a PS call up to round out the numbers. 

[T master]

I think most any player out side of Josh is expendable on the team especially if they are not doing their job up to the expectations of the coaching staff .

 

Daquon himself I think realizes that his time here is short weather it is for 1 more season or not but I'm pretty sure that if 1 of those drafted by the Bills shows better than Daquon in their ability's and the coaching staff feels that by mid season the younger player with a cheaper contract could help the team be that much better they will make the move to the future rather than stay put with what they have .

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

8 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Lol that's fair. I forgot we technically added White at the end of the season so that we could call up more than one player from the PS for the Patriots game and then kept him on bc our roster had room.

 

Outside of that scenario, we haven't kept more than 2 since the year we Drafted Fromm. So i'd expect 2.

 

Just for shiz and gigs, this is my way too early 53 prediction. Going through the roster, I actually only see about 51 I'm sure about. I ended up adding Lewis and Ingram just bc there were two spots left over. I have Shenault beating out Codrington as a Returner, but that's a Wild Card/Hot Take. Players like Trubisky and Hamlin I see the Bills brass liking more than posters do. And with Trubisky v. White, they save relatively the same amount of money on a cut, but there's a 1m+ Dead Cap on Trubisky and no Dead Cap hit on White.

 

QB (Same as last year):
Josh Allen #17 
Mitch Trubisky #11 

 

RB (Same as last year):
James Cook #4
Ray Davis #22
Ty Johnson #26
-
Reggie Gilliam #41

 

WR:
Khalil Shakir #10
Josh Palmer #5
Keon Coleman #0
Curtis Samuel #1
Elijah Moore #18
Laviska Shenault #15 (Returner)

 

TE:
Dalton Kincaid #86
Dawson Knox #88
Jackson Hawes #85

 

OL (Same as last year):
Dion Dawkins #73
David Edwards #76
Connor McGovern #66
O'Cyrus Torrence #64
Spencer Brown #79
-
Sedrick Van Pran-Granger #62
Ryan Van Demark #74
Alec Anderson #70
Tylan Grable #68

 

DE: 
Greg Rousseau #50
Joey Bosa #97
AJ Epenesa #57
Landon Jackson #94
Javon Solomon #56

 

DT:
Ed Oliver #91

Daquan Jones #92
T.J. Sanders #98
Deone Walker #96
DeWayne Carter #90

 

LB (Same as last year):
Matt Milano #58
Terrel Bernard #8
Dorian Williams #42
Edefuan Ulofoshio #48
Joe Andreeseen #41

 

CB:
Christian Benford #47
Maxwell Hairston #31
Taron Johnson #7 (NCB)
Tre'Davious White #27
Dorian Strong #43

Ja'Marcus Ingram #46
 
S:
Taylor Rapp #9
Cole Bishop #24
Damar Hamlin #3

Jordan Hancock #37 (NCB/S)
Cam Lewis #33 (NCB/S)

 

ST:
Tyler Bass #2 (K)
Jake Camarda #32 (P)
Reid Ferguson #69 (LS)

 

But yeah... long story short, it's pretty simple to fit all 10 on the DL and carry extra DB's.

 

 

What a guy!

 

https://willowcenterny.org/

 

I'd probably rather keep codrington over Shenault and Ingram.  I think both of the others are likely to make the practice squad, but shenault not being a punt returner is an issue imo.  

[JP51]

15 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

I don't see it. At least not until after Week 6.

 

Last year, we rostered 6 DT's at the end of the year. And until Ogunjobi comes back, we only have 5 in Oliver, Jones, Sanders, Carter, and Walker. And of those 5, the only sure 1T we have is Jones.

 

Walker will probably be put there, but he's not a true 1T in style of play. Sanders will slide over next to Oliver at times in obvious passing down blitz situations. Carter is supposedly going to be tried there. But he wasn't a 1T in College and I don't see him as a 1T.

 

To cut him would leave us seriously short handed with 4 you can count on (unless you count PS guys like Logue and Rogers, I don't). And handing the position to a 4th Round Rookie. Unlikely.

 

I think if they wanted to move on from him, they'd have done it earlier in the Offseason and really nailed down the position with a Stud in FA or earlier in the Draft. I think they like him more than the board does and plan on rotating him more with Walker and Sanders to keep him fresher.

100% agree here... I do not see him as a training camp cut unless his performance has fallen of a cliff... I do see him as a candidate after week 6 if he is not performing well...  

[eball]

12 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Carter was so bad he didn't dress the second half of the season.

 

Wasn't it issues coming back from the wrist injury?  I think he, along with Coleman, are two of the reasons the strength and conditioning coach got canned.

 

[YattaOkasan]

26 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

I'd probably rather keep codrington over Shenault and Ingram.  I think both of the others are likely to make the practice squad, but shenault not being a punt returner is an issue imo.  

Ingram played 67% of ST snaps and 19% of Defensive snaps (including a 2 INT start against MIA on short turnaround in week 2).  Codrington is much more replaceable than him (see the playoffs where Ingram got a jersey and Codrington was a healthy scratch).  Im looking to replace codrington cause i view him as a wasted roster spot; though ill admit he did a good job last year.  Still need to offer more than only doing punt returns (wasnt returning kick offs by the end of the season).    

[MikePJ76]

1 hour ago, YattaOkasan said:

What is the botch specifically? is it signing Ogunjobi?  He feels more like a 3 tech than a 1 tech so I'm not sure how the suspension affects anything.  Or are you saying the botch was not picking up a 1 tech at all?  The defensive players they signed in free agency are just Ogunjobi and the DEs (Bosa and Hoecht) so I'm not sure how they blew it unless you assume they couldve gotten some other player.  

IMO,  they signed 6 defensive players in free agency who won’t make a dime’s worth of difference to the defense.  That was my opinion before we knew of the suspensions.

 

I view each of the defensive signings as backup level players who were signed as insurance in case they didn’t get what they wanted in the draft.  I feel like they did a great job in the draft which further makes the free agent class even less important to me.

 

I am glad they signed tre white.  He is a great fit in the locker room and a great player to have with a young group of cornerbacks on the roster.

 

I just do not see any of the others doing anything worthwhile and in particular helping the defense where it needed help other than just providing a baseline of depth.  I think three of the players they signed not really even have a position clearly defined.

 

I wouldn’t be surprised to see two or three of the free agents on defense they signed cut when they make the roster for week 1 or after the bye and the suspensions are up.  

[YattaOkasan]

6 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

IMO,  they signed 6 defensive players in free agency who won’t make a dime’s worth of difference to the defense.  That was my opinion before we knew of the suspensions.

 

I view each of the defensive signings as backup level players who were signed as insurance in case they didn’t get what they wanted in the draft.  I feel like they did a great job in the draft which further makes the free agent class even less important to me.

 

I am glad they signed tre white.  He is a great fit in the locker room and a great player to have with a young group of cornerbacks on the roster.

 

I just do not see any of the others doing anything worthwhile and in particular helping the defense where it needed help other than just providing a baseline of depth.  I think three of the players they signed not really even have a position clearly defined.

 

I wouldn’t be surprised to see two or three of the free agents on defense they signed cut when they make the roster for week 1 or after the bye and the suspensions are up.  

So Daquan can't be cut because of who they signed wont help the defense?  Its a weird take as I see all of the signed DL to be more impactful than Daquan based on what he put on tape last year.  

 

We spent about 35 mil on Free agents.  Did you want one big splash signing or just different mid level guys than what we got (that 35 mil includes Palmer)?  Im not sure how this is a botch?  Feels like you wanted different players or wanted one big splash signing.  Beane has always used free agency to fill holes so I assume you never like what they do in free agency?    

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, T master said:

I think most any player out side of Josh is expendable on the team especially if they are not doing their job up to the expectations of the coaching staff .

 

I agree.  I think the Bills are heartless decision makers.  The only question is which players make the team better?  From that standpoint, Daquon is at risk, just like everyone else is at risk.

 

Having said that, their decisions about who makes the team better will be colored by what they've seen players deliver in the past, so it may be hard to unseat simply by looking better in camp. A lot better, sure.  A little better, well, then the coaches start thinking about what a guy adds in the locker room, whether the guy has shown a tendency to be better as the season progresses, etc. etc. 

 

McDermott has made it clear how much he values having a veteran leader in every position room. Daquan may be that veteran leader for the tackles. 

[MikePJ76]

17 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

So Daquan can't be cut because of who they signed wont help the defense?  Its a weird take as I see all of the signed DL to be more impactful than Daquan based on what he put on tape last year.  

 

We spent about 35 mil on Free agents.  Did you want one big splash signing or just different mid level guys than what we got (that 35 mil includes Palmer)?  Im not sure how this is a botch?  Feels like you wanted different players or wanted one big splash signing.  Beane has always used free agency to fill holes so I assume you never like what they do in free agency?    

Jones won’t be cut because he fits in the culture here and can be depended on.  The players they drafted will allow them to lower his snaps.  I just don’t think they are going to cut him, my opinion of course.

 

i liked the offensive free agents they signed, Palmer was not my first choice but I think he will be a good player here.  Love that they resigned Ty, Evan’s and Gilliam.  
 

I am talking about this year’s defensive free agents, I don’t like it at all.  I don’t see anyone really helping in big games or critical moments and in the end will be just depth pieces.   
 

I absolutely loathe the Bosa signing.  Hate everything about it.   It’s almost as bad as giving up a third round pick for Amari cooper.  He is an aging declining player who is always hurt and makes a bunch of penalties.  He has shown his inability to keep his cool in big moments in post season games also.

 

they signed players without defined positions, they signed declining players with injury issues, they have two guys suspended.  I feel it was a giant swing and miss on defensive free agents this year.
 

again, I don’t think any of them will make a dimes worth of difference to this defense this year. 
 

as to the comment assuming I never like what they do in free agency, now you are just making things up because i have a different opinion of this group of guys than you.

 

and yes there were players and positions where I thought they could have improved on defense in free agency.  
 

we shall see how it plays out.  I think the draft nullified it anyway.  They nailed the draft imo.  

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

46 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

Ingram played 67% of ST snaps and 19% of Defensive snaps (including a 2 INT start against MIA on short turnaround in week 2).  Codrington is much more replaceable than him (see the playoffs where Ingram got a jersey and Codrington was a healthy scratch).  Im looking to replace codrington cause i view him as a wasted roster spot; though ill admit he did a good job last year.  Still need to offer more than only doing punt returns (wasnt returning kick offs by the end of the season).    

 

I think the idea that we need both Strong, Hancock, Ingram, and Lewis on the 53 is a bit much.  If Strong and Hancock were to both make the 53, i'd assume they're playing special teams, and I'd assume Strong's the likely gameday inactive.  I'd also expect White to contribute on special teams if he is not starting opposite benford.  

 

Ingram and Lewis also have a solid chance to make it to the practice squad (same as shenault), with the potential for permanent call-ups if there are injuries.  

[Royale with Cheese]

I would have said with certainty if Larry ObiOneKenobi wasn't suspended.