Keon Coleman success by route - Not pretty

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

I think one thing that that is lost in the discussion about "elite" talent is that coaching matters every bit as much as the drafting part.

 

So if there is very little elite talent on the Bills, it may not be Beane at all, it could be McDermott. McDermott could be every bit as much to blame.

 

Beane could draft the next superstar, but if McDermott can't coach them up that player will fail.

 

And who the lead coach on offense? Brady ?  The guy that was fired from the Panthers??

 

Surely you can't be serious!!

[Alphadawg7]

On 5/17/2025 at 12:56 AM, LABILLBACKER said:

 

The reason it gets constantly and justifiably brought up is the fact that we are still somewhat deficient in our wr room. I like the speed additions that BB brought in with Moore/Palmer. We had 40 tds scored last season from non wrs. So the contribution table of that 8 game streak of 30 pts is a little skewed.  On the biggest drive of our season in KC, James was out and our receiving corps did not clutch up.  That's a problem. 
 

 

Our WRs did clutch up though.  Multiple times on the final series we had receivers wide open for first downs and Allen did not get them the ball.  
 

For example, Samuel has an easy first down but Allen has his pass knocked down at LOS.  Even on the 4th down, Shakir was wide open to the left for an easy first down but Allen cheated the protection to the wrong side when we were fooled by the blitz putting people in Allen’s face off the snap untouched.  Additionally, Kincaid was also running wide open for a 30-40 yard gain had Allen had time to throw on same play.  Instead he heaved a sky high prayer ball and Kincaid on bad knees had to stop and come back to it and try and make the catch.  Now I will say you want to see Kincaid catch that, but it was not easy and harder when he’s doing it on bad knees.  
 

Point is, our WRs didn’t fail Allen in the last series, they got open and Allen wasn’t able to get them the ball for various reasons.  

 

On 5/17/2025 at 12:56 AM, LABILLBACKER said:

 

We're all rooting for Coleman and patience is necessary.  I give every Bills player for the last 60 years at least 3 full seasons to prove yourself.  That's why this is such a critical year for Dalton.  As @Robb Riddick said we could all have egg on our face?  But the Bills still desperately need to find that fast twitch replacement for Diggs. A wr DC's have to gameplan.  And we haven't done that yet. No one is gameplanning for Coleman & Kincaid right now.  That's a problem. 

I do agree with most of this though.  

[SoonerBillsFan]

7 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I think one thing that that is lost in the discussion about "elite" talent is that coaching matters every bit as much as the drafting part.

 

So if there is very little elite talent on the Bills, it may not be Beane at all, it could be McDermott. McDermott could be every bit as much to blame.

 

Beane could draft the next superstar, but if McDermott can't coach them up that player will fail.

 

And who the lead coach on offense? Brady ?  The guy that was fired from the Panthers??

 

Surely you can't be serious!!

[Mango]

On 5/16/2025 at 9:12 PM, balln said:

I just don’t get the pick beane . It’s not gonna end up being right.
 

Ladd >> Coleman 

 

Coleman will be out of the league in3-5 years 

 

At worst I think this could be a case of "overdrafted" and "wrong situation". If he was picked high 3rd or low 2nd and was asked to play the big slot role with some ability in for contested catches in the end zone he would likely stick just fine with the team that drafted him. 

But, if he doesn't turn the corner he could find himself a FA. I don't think he will be unemployed in 3-5 years. 

[JGMcD2]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yes. And all you have proved is the only elite guy he has drafted is Josh Allen. We are talking about putting elite talent around Josh Allen. That is what I meant. Veach technically inherited his QB (although he was the guy that idenfied him which is why he was promoted and Dorsey let go) but he has put more elite players around Mahomes than Beane has around Josh. And Howie has put more elite players around Hurts (who isn't himself elite so needs more pieces). Your own assessment supports that.

Sigh, it wasn’t the original argument. You made a blanket statement about finding elite talent in the draft. 
 

Was it Veach who negotiated the trade up from 27 to 10 too? Sounds a lot like the theories on here that Brandon Beane was running the Bills 2017 Draft from Charlotte! 

Edited 2 hours ago by JGMcD2

[SoTier]

59 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

At worst I think this could be a case of "overdrafted" and "wrong situation". If he was picked high 3rd or low 2nd and was asked to play the big slot role with some ability in for contested catches in the end zone he would likely stick just fine with the team that drafted him. 

But, if he doesn't turn the corner he could find himself a FA. I don't think he will be unemployed in 3-5 years. 

 

Cody Ford, drafted by the Bills in 2019 and considered a major bust by fans, was active in 16 games and started 9 for the Bengals in 2024, and I believe he has been re-signed by Cincinnati for 2025.

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Sigh, it wasn’t the original argument. You made a blanket statement about finding elite talent in the draft. 
 

Was it Veach who negotiated the trade up from 27 to 10 too? Sounds a lot like the theories on here that Brandon Beane was running the Bills 2017 Draft from Charlotte! 

 

Yes. But the whole point of the elite talent conversation is about surrounding Josh. Come on you know that was the context. 

 

I don't know who executed the trade. But is pretty common knowledge Veach was the guy who banged the drum for Mahomes and convinced Andy. https://www.esquire.com/sports/a44893777/patrick-mahomes-scout-discovery-true-story/

[Lionel Hutz]

He needs to change his number. No WR, or any player really, should be wearing 0. 

[RoscoeParrish]

8 hours ago, appoo said:

And just to be clear about AJ, I love him as a WR and he’d be by far our best WR and it’s not even close. Same is true of Davonte Smith.  That the Eagles have both is a function of luck, circumstance and opportunity.  
 

But not everyone can be elite. In a world where Chase, Jefferson, Sun God, CeeDee Lamb, and scary Terry exist, I can’t call AJ Brown elite.  That’s not taking anything away from him either. But there’s some REALLY REALLY good talent out there right now. 
 

Like Drake London never gets any publicity but he’s been incredible. He had more catches, yards and touchdowns than AJ playing on a worse team with worse QB play. We’re not gonna call him elite though. 
 

Feel like Eagle players are getting a bit inflated because they won a Super Bowl, when the reality is they won that Super Bowl by having really good players at every position, rather than relying on a a few different stars. They won with depth, they won with versatility, and they won with a pass rush that was more about waves than any one player taking over every week. They didn’t have a single guy with double digit sacks yet they had 5 players with double digit pressures (Bills had 4).

Thats also how I want buffalo to look, and I see no reason they can’t be that

 

 He’s simply not talented enough IMO. There’s a clear divide between the level of Barkely, Henry and pre injury Chubb that Cook doesn’t have. 
 

And even beyond them Bijan Robinson and Jamhyr Gibbs in Detroit are a tier above Cook

I think you are underrating the Eagles.

 

I think you could go position by position on their 2024 team compared to ours and find at least half of their starting players would start over ours.

 

And the 2024 Bills were VERY GOOD.

 

That speaks volumes about their talent imo.

[Ya Digg?]

7 hours ago, appoo said:

I must have pulled up the wrong page or something my bad 

 

I love McLaurin. This is a man who’s basically averaged 1K a year and doing this while playing in the joke of a franchise that was Washington prior to Jayden Daniels. 
 

Perhaps the most underrated WR around IMO. 

Which is fine, you can, but he’s not elite. Need to have the talent AND put up elite numbers, he hasn’t done that yet. If you want to say he’s in the 10-15 range I’m with you on that, but he’s not close to being top 5 elite status