What’s the deal with Winston and Cousins?

[Virgil]

To start, I am not banging the table saying either are great quarterbacks, but they are clearly capable of starting in the NFL.  They may not be great, by any means, but they are way better than who the Saints and Steelers plan on putting on the field. 
 

Granted, the Giants just signed Winston, but then signed Russel (named the starter) and drafted Dart.   The Saints took a guy in the second round, but he is far from a sure bet of being NFL ready, let alone week 1 ready.  
 

Am I missing something here.  How are the Saints and Steelers not all over these trades?  I can’t imagine the asking price is big.  If in a fan of either team,  dreading this upcoming season as is.  If in a HC of either team, am I not also fighting for me job?  Granted Tomlin appears to be untouchable at times, but for how long?

 

Just thoughts. 

[transient]

Moore in NOLA is in his first (grace) year and they need to purge the roster of bad contracts, not add them. If he was smart, he got some assurances that he’ll need to get that house in order. 

[Dafan]

From what I understand with Cousins is he wanted to be traded but they refused.

[BillsFanForever19]

9 minutes ago, Virgil said:

To start, I am not banging the table saying either are great quarterbacks, but they are clearly capable of starting in the NFL.  They may not be great, by any means, but they are way better than who the Saints and Steelers plan on putting on the field. 
 

Granted, the Giants just signed Winston, but then signed Russel (named the starter) and drafted Dart.   The Saints took a guy in the second round, but he is far from a sure bet of being NFL ready, let alone week 1 ready.  
 

Am I missing something here.  How are the Saints and Steelers not all over these trades?  I can’t imagine the asking price is big.  If in a fan of either team,  dreading this upcoming season as is.  If in a HC of either team, am I not also fighting for me job?  Granted Tomlin appears to be untouchable at times, but for how long?

 

Just thoughts. 

 

The Saints have said that they plan to do a competition between Hough, Rattler, and Haener - https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/kellen-moore-declares-open-qb-competition-among-tyler-shough-jake-haener-spencer-rattler

 

That might be lip service for now. But it might be true. One thing to keep in mind is Arch Manning is coming out in 2026. So teams may be bypassing on getting a QB that would win them some games this year in hopes that they can land him next offseason.

 

The Giants signing Winston, then signing Wilson, then Drafting Dart is kind of an odd situation. As was the Browns trading for Kenny Pickett, signing Joe Flacco, and then Drafting both Gabriel and Sanders. Both seem like situations where the QB situation is nowhere and they're just grabbing up everything they can to throw against a wall and see what sticks this year.

[Doc Brown]

25 minutes ago, Virgil said:

To start, I am not banging the table saying either are great quarterbacks, but they are clearly capable of starting in the NFL.  They may not be great, by any means, but they are way better than who the Saints and Steelers plan on putting on the field. 
 

Granted, the Giants just signed Winston, but then signed Russel (named the starter) and drafted Dart.   The Saints took a guy in the second round, but he is far from a sure bet of being NFL ready, let alone week 1 ready.  
 

Am I missing something here.  How are the Saints and Steelers not all over these trades?  I can’t imagine the asking price is big.  If in a fan of either team,  dreading this upcoming season as is.  If in a HC of either team, am I not also fighting for me job?  Granted Tomlin appears to be untouchable at times, but for how long?

 

Just thoughts. 

Saints would pry rather tank for Arch Manning and see if Rattler or Shough can be their guy. 

 

Steelers may have a handshake agreement with Rodgers.  If Rodgers doesn't go there they'd pry rather have Rudolph than Winston.  Winston throws way too many picks for Tomlin's liking imo.  I'd love to see another 30 TD, 30 INT season from him though.

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Saints would pry rather tank for Arch Manning and see if Rattler or Shough can be their guy. 

 

Steelers may have a handshake agreement with Rodgers.  If Rodgers doesn't go there they'd pry rather have Rudolph than Winston.  Winston throws way too many picks for Tomlin's liking imo.  I'd love to see another 30 TD, 30 INT season from him though.

I'm just around college football programs way too much to understand why anybody think Arch Manning is coming out after this season lol

 

He literally couldn't beat out Quinn ewers who was a 7th round pick.. now does Quinn have a lot more talent than that and his fragility dropped him? Absolutely and NIL didn't help

 

But anybody who thinks Arch is going to waltz to the NFL after 12 college starts has no clue... The Manning family has been adamant he's going to stay four or five seasons and he's going to get 20 plus starts

 

The goal is to have three generations of successful Manning quarterbacks not three generations of just getting drafted and Arch is a bust... I don't even get where people think he's the number one pic next year  with such limited reps under his belt

 

Sure an entire season as the starter in the offense will give him a boost.. but he has done nothing to earn even being projected as the number one pick if I'm being honest 

 

It's all projection it's not what he's actually accomplished.. if his last name was Miller he would still be really talented 21-year-old kid but the hype wouldn't be as high

Edited 3 hours ago by Buffalo716

[BlueRed]

10 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

The Saints have said that they plan to do a competition between Hough, Rattler, and Haener - https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/kellen-moore-declares-open-qb-competition-among-tyler-shough-jake-haener-spencer-rattler

 

That might be lip service for now. But it might be true. One thing to keep in mind is Arch Manning is coming out in 2026. So teams may be bypassing on getting a QB that would win them some games this year in hopes that they can land him next offseason.

 

The Giants signing Winston, then signing Wilson, then Drafting Dart is kind of an odd situation. As was the Browns trading for Kenny Pickett, signing Joe Flacco, and then Drafting both Gabriel and Sanders. Both seem like situations where the QB situation is nowhere and they're just grabbing up everything they can to throw against a wall and see what sticks this year.

I had flashbacks reading that 3-way QB competition to the Bills yester-years … so thankful for Josh Allen

[Hermes]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I'd love to see another 30 TD, 30 INT season from him though.

That's a 30 for 30 I'd watch! King of the crab legs!

[Herc11]

12 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

The Saints have said that they plan to do a competition between Hough, Rattler, and Haener - https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/kellen-moore-declares-open-qb-competition-among-tyler-shough-jake-haener-spencer-rattler

 

That might be lip service for now. But it might be true. One thing to keep in mind is Arch Manning is coming out in 2026. So teams may be bypassing on getting a QB that would win them some games this year in hopes that they can land him next offseason.

 

The Giants signing Winston, then signing Wilson, then Drafting Dart is kind of an odd situation. As was the Browns trading for Kenny Pickett, signing Joe Flacco, and then Drafting both Gabriel and Sanders. Both seem like situations where the QB situation is nowhere and they're just grabbing up everything they can to throw against a wall and see what sticks this year.

 

You really think Arch will come out with only a year of starting play in college? I figured he'd play two years before hitting the draft

[Prospector]

both are first ballots and do what they want

[Allen2Moulds]

41 minutes ago, Virgil said:

To start, I am not banging the table saying either are great quarterbacks, but they are clearly capable of starting in the NFL.  They may not be great, by any means, but they are way better than who the Saints and Steelers plan on putting on the field. 
 

Granted, the Giants just signed Winston, but then signed Russel (named the starter) and drafted Dart.   The Saints took a guy in the second round, but he is far from a sure bet of being NFL ready, let alone week 1 ready.  
 

Am I missing something here.  How are the Saints and Steelers not all over these trades?  I can’t imagine the asking price is big.  If in a fan of either team,  dreading this upcoming season as is.  If in a HC of either team, am I not also fighting for me job?  Granted Tomlin appears to be untouchable at times, but for how long?

 

Just thoughts. 

Winston is the prototypical backup the fans fall in love with. Not who you want, if your trying to break in a rookie. Cousins has a big price tag, but would make sense for Pitt.

[BuffaloBillyG]

43 minutes ago, Virgil said:

To start, I am not banging the table saying either are great quarterbacks, but they are clearly capable of starting in the NFL.  They may not be great, by any means, but they are way better than who the Saints and Steelers plan on putting on the field. 
 

Granted, the Giants just signed Winston, but then signed Russel (named the starter) and drafted Dart.   The Saints took a guy in the second round, but he is far from a sure bet of being NFL ready, let alone week 1 ready.  
 

Am I missing something here.  How are the Saints and Steelers not all over these trades?  I can’t imagine the asking price is big.  If in a fan of either team,  dreading this upcoming season as is.  If in a HC of either team, am I not also fighting for me job?  Granted Tomlin appears to be untouchable at times, but for how long?

 

Just thoughts. 

Cousins has a pretty high price tag and showed serious regression before being benched last year. Winston is a Wild Card type player. He can have really good games but then the next week looks like he's never seen a football before. Way too inconsistent. 

 

The Saints just drafted a guy in round 2. I'm sure they hope he can start. The Steelers actually don't mind rolling with Mason Rudolph as he is well liked in the locker room, well respected by the coaching staff and did play some same good ball for them late in the year 2 seasons ago. 

[BillsFanForever19]

13 minutes ago, Herc11 said:

 

You really think Arch will come out with only a year of starting play in college? I figured he'd play two years before hitting the draft

 

He'll be 22 years old come Draft time next season and will have been at Texas for 3 seasons. Given his pedigree, if he performs as expected this season - I don't think another year would improve his stock any and could only set himself up for hurting it with injury and he'd be cutting into his NFL years by a year or two by entering the 2027 Draft at 23.

 

He may opt to stay. But if he plays like a Manning, his stock will be as high as it could be.

[Doc Brown]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I'm just around college football programs way too much to understand why anybody think Arch Manning is coming out after this season lol

 

He literally couldn't beat out Quinn ewers who was a 7th round pick.. now does Quinn have a lot more talent than that and his fragility dropped him? Absolutely and NIL didn't help

 

But anybody who thinks Arch is going to waltz to the NFL after 12 college starts has no clue... The Manning family has been adamant he's going to stay four or five seasons and he's going to get 20 plus starts

 

The goal is to have three generations of successful Manning quarterbacks not three generations of just getting drafted and Arch is a bust... I don't even get where people think he's the number one pic next year  with such limited reps under his belt

 

Sure an entire season as the starter in the offense will give him a boost.. but he has done nothing to earn even being projected as the number one pick if I'm being honest 

 

It's all projection it's not what he's actually accomplished.. if his last name was Miller he would still be really talented 21-year-old kid but the hype wouldn't be as high

True.  He is a five star recruit for a reason but he still has to show it on the field this year.  It might come down to who picks first in the draft.  The Saints I'm guessing would be attractive situations for another Manning for obvious reasons.  If not, Nussmeier would be a nice consolation prize.  If Shough has a promising rookie year then the Saints don't even have to worry about QB.  Point is, there's no reason to sign a veteran QB to go 7-10 or something like that.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

I certainly admire the gritty moxie and unbridled enthusiasm of Kirk 'YOU LIKE THAT?!' Cousins over some of the lesser lights of previous years:

[aristocrat]

Jameis can sling it. He’s a fun qb to watch but the ints are certainly a problem. If your team is gonna suck and you wanna give your fans a fun season just play him. He’ll give you 25 and 25

[Mike in Horseheads]

Saints don't have a pot to piss in as far cap space. So they'd have to get the Falcons to pick up a large chunk.   i have no idea how Carr retiring affects the dead cap and cap in general. ????

[BobbyC81]

1 hour ago, BlueRed said:

I had flashbacks reading that 3-way QB competition to the Bills yester-years … so thankful for Josh Allen

You mean like the 2013 season of EJ Manuel, Thad Lewis and Jeff Tuel?

[mannc]

2 hours ago, Virgil said:

To start, I am not banging the table saying either are great quarterbacks, but they are clearly capable of starting in the NFL.  They may not be great, by any means, but they are way better than who the Saints and Steelers plan on putting on the field. 
 

Granted, the Giants just signed Winston, but then signed Russel (named the starter) and drafted Dart.   The Saints took a guy in the second round, but he is far from a sure bet of being NFL ready, let alone week 1 ready.  
 

Am I missing something here.  How are the Saints and Steelers not all over these trades?  I can’t imagine the asking price is big.  If in a fan of either team,  dreading this upcoming season as is.  If in a HC of either team, am I not also fighting for me job?  Granted Tomlin appears to be untouchable at times, but for how long?

 

Just thoughts. 

Winston delivers street free agent-level quarterbacking at this point in his career.  Cousins is older and banged up and should not be starting anywhere.  Ousins is a better option than Winston, though.

[Dave_Bills]

31 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said:

You mean like the 2013 season of EJ Manuel, Thad Lewis and Jeff Tuel?

Dark dark times