Gabe Davis released

[CSBill]

What was Gabe in for?

 

Regardless, I'm glad he is free now and has a chance to reset his life.

[Coach Tuesday]

Can tell which of you all sends “You up?” texts to your ex…

Edited Tuesday at 10:47 AM by Coach Tuesday

[Don Otreply]

On 5/12/2025 at 7:09 PM, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

He is definitely NOT an idiot... he is one of the smartest people in this nation and are very lucky to have him. Come on now

Some folk have a visceral dislike of science and or those that through much study and practical experience have excelled in those endeavors. They give indications that they are or could very well be intimidated by such people. 
 

His stance on “God” riles some folk up, but that’s to be expected. 

Edited 22 hours ago by Don Otreply

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

17 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

Probably a good fit for him to compete with jennings for outside reps opposite Aiyuk.  

13 hours ago, Snappysnackcakes said:

Well, he refuses to believe in the possibility of there being NHI in the universe that has visited our giant ball of rock. This makes many believe he’s short-sighted or obstinate. 

 

See to me belief requires "faith" and i feel like scientists tend to require facts, data, and evidence.  

[boyst]

4 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Can tell which of you all sends “You up?” texts to your ex…

Can't catch a fish until you throw out a line. Power in numbers.

 

At worst he'd be WR4. There isn't much wrong w that. 

[Gugny]

20 minutes ago, boyst said:

Can't catch a fish until you throw out a line. Power in numbers.

 

At worst he'd be WR4. There isn't much wrong w that. 

[3rdand12]

19 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

Why was that necessary? Just focus on that one game in KC and it all makes sense.

Hey !

I can be opinionated too

[3rdand12]

11 hours ago, boyst said:

If he comes to this team we have a 3WR and most importantly an outside option that only Coleman occupies.

 

I don't want to put my chips on him to be the guy on the outside, sorry. Davis isn't #1 but I trust him as much as Coleman. 

Have to play the other side here. We don't know Colemans ceiling considering the hand injury etc.

We might know what Gabe brings to the game.

As far as bringing him on / Lets see how how he recovers. Might be a reasonable addition mid season depending on injuries.

👍

[HappyDays]

 

[BADOLBILZ]

On 5/9/2025 at 6:23 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I agree with you...Diggs in 2023 is the most talented individual player between the two WR rooms, even if thats not peak Diggs.  No dispute from me...but its what "group" is better, and 2023 Diggs isn't so good that it elevates that lesser whole room to be better than the 5 collective guys we have today IMO.  

 

Now add in how his impact fell off in Brady's system, the overall drama and dark cloud he brought to the team, and the impact having him or not having him has on Josh's game and it really diminishes his "value' in how I would look at it.

 

So for me IMHO, the 2025 group as a whole is a better unit, will get better results, and will give us the best chance to win a SB over the 2023 group if it was all here today exactly as it was in 2023.  

 

 

 

The 2023 WR group was bad.

 

And some of us were aware that was going to be the case heading into the season.    Others were irrationally overconfident in guys like Sherfield and Harty and are like that every year in thinking guys will just be better because of Josh Allen.  

 

Allen and Diggs were producing at a high level early in 2023 but that was basically IT for positive WR play until mid-season.  

 

As teams got tape on the 2023 version of the Bills it became evident that the Bills passing offense was "chuck it to Diggs or Allen should run".

 

So they began to adapt the passing offense to decentuate their feeble 2023 WR corps.

 

Dorsey began it against Tampa and then after McDermott blew the Denver game by not keeping his defense on the field for the FG they handed the keys to Brady who began running the ball more and using designed runs for Allen that they had been strategically AVOIDING for the prior two years(over 9 carries per game under Brady in 2023).

 

The Bills WR corps has gradually declined each season since 2020.  

 

They reached the point early in 2024 where they were so bad that there weren't many teams that had worse.  

 

Whether they are better than their 2023 or post-Cooper 2024 groups probably only matters if they get HUGE improvement from Coleman and both Palmer and Samuel play better than their 2024 seasons.    They need to be much better than the 2023 group.

 

 

 

 

[Captain Caveman]

Is this still the Gabe Davis thread?

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The 2023 WR group was bad.

 

And some of us were aware that was going to be the case heading into the season.    Others were irrationally overconfident in guys like Sherfield and Harty and are like that every year in thinking guys will just be better because of Josh Allen.  

 

Allen and Diggs were producing at a high level early in 2023 but that was basically IT for positive WR play until mid-season.  

 

As teams got tape on the 2023 version of the Bills it became evident that the Bills passing offense was "chuck it to Diggs or Allen should run".

 

So they began to adapt the passing offense to decentuate their feeble 2023 WR corps.

 

Dorsey began it against Tampa and then after McDermott blew the Denver game by not keeping his defense on the field for the FG they handed the keys to Brady who began running the ball more and using designed runs for Allen that they had been strategically AVOIDING for the prior two years(over 9 carries per game under Brady in 2023).

 

The Bills WR corps has gradually declined each season since 2020.  

 

They reached the point early in 2024 where they were so bad that there weren't many teams that had worse.  

 

Whether they are better than their 2023 or post-Cooper 2024 groups probably only matters if they get HUGE improvement from Coleman and both Palmer and Samuel play better than their 2024 seasons.    They need to be much better than the 2023 group.

 

 

 

 

 

I think last year there was a really big unknown factor - Hollins was a cast-off, Coleman a rookie who didn't test well, samuel who was brought in to play a few different roles as an upgrade over Mckenzie and Harty on offense, shakir only had 65 targets in 2 seasons, and MVS who was there as a deep threat.  Hollins definitely was worth his contract, coleman made some highlights and lowlights, samuel missed a bunch of camp with turf toe and then played through it, and MVS was a disaster.  

 

This year we know Shakir is legit.  We saw some highlight reel plays from Coleman, and he played a lot better before his injury.  Samuel never felt like himself, but he did score 2 playoff TDs.  Now you add in palmer who is a blocking type of receiver who can get open down the field, and Elijah moore who gives you a bit more from slot depth that wasn't there last year.  

 

[BADOLBILZ]

23 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

I think last year there was a really big unknown factor - Hollins was a cast-off, Coleman a rookie who didn't test well, samuel who was brought in to play a few different roles as an upgrade over Mckenzie and Harty on offense, shakir only had 65 targets in 2 seasons, and MVS who was there as a deep threat.  Hollins definitely was worth his contract, coleman made some highlights and lowlights, samuel missed a bunch of camp with turf toe and then played through it, and MVS was a disaster.  

 

This year we know Shakir is legit.  We saw some highlight reel plays from Coleman, and he played a lot better before his injury.  Samuel never felt like himself, but he did score 2 playoff TDs.  Now you add in palmer who is a blocking type of receiver who can get open down the field, and Elijah moore who gives you a bit more from slot depth that wasn't there last year.  

 

 

 

I'm not sure there is a lot less unknown factor this year?   We thought we knew what Samuel was.   He wasn't that.   There was more hype about Coleman from the Bills than any Bills rookie since Allen.   Some of that specialty merchandise they made to cash in on the hype is still on the shelf at Wegmans and stores in the mall.   The unknown with Coleman, as it is with many hyped rookie WR, was would he be WR1 by the end of the season or not.   He wasn't.   He was struggling mightily while a guy like Worthy was blowing up at the end of the year.   So there is a lot of unknown where he goes from there.    I still like his potential but there should be no feeling of certainty there.

 

Ultimately the mistake though is thinking that the aggregate of 5 receivers  even matters all that much when judging the group as a whole.  

 

 It's a matchup league.

 

How do the players on the field matchup with the opponents defenders.   If your 5th WR is better than another contenders 5th CB that only matters if that is the matchup.    It's nice to have depth but much more important to have better players in your starting lineup.  

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

17 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I'm not sure there is a lot less unknown factor this year?   We thought we knew what Samuel was.   He wasn't that.   There was more hype about Coleman from the Bills than any Bills rookie since Allen.   Some of that specialty merchandise they made to cash in on the hype is still on the shelf at Wegmans and stores in the mall.   The unknown with Coleman, as it is with many hyped rookie WR, was would he be WR1 by the end of the season or not.   He wasn't.   He was struggling mightily while a guy like Worthy was blowing up at the end of the year.   So there is a lot of unknown where he goes from there.    I still like his potential but there should be no feeling of certainty there.

 

Ultimately the mistake though is thinking that the aggregate of 5 receivers  even matters all that much when judging the group as a whole.  

 

 It's a matchup league.

 

How do the players on the field matchup with the opponents defenders.   If your 5th WR is better than another contenders 5th CB that only matters if that is the matchup.    It's nice to have depth but much more important to have better players in your starting lineup.  

 

At the very least - we know shakir is a dawg.  

 

Worthy getting all this love is strange considering to get 82 more yards than coleman required 41 more targets.  I get it, he played well in the playoffs and those games matter more.  But the bills defense was pretty bad in that one.  Benford goes out and in goes elam, with douglas already struggling.  The entire team couldn't tackle or create pressure.  Also his big catch wasn't even a freaking catch and i'll never have anyone explain to me why it was.  

 

I also don't really think its that important when you get 150 yards in a super bowl when your team ran the ball 7x, turned it over 3x, had 12 first downs, and lost by 18.  He had 2 catches for 9 yards when they were down 34-0.  

Edited 19 hours ago by Bleeding Bills Blue

[BADOLBILZ]

8 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

At the very least - we know shakir is a dawg.  

 

Worthy getting all this love is strange considering to get 82 more yards than coleman required 41 more targets.  I get it, he played well in the playoffs and those games matter more.  But the bills defense was pretty bad in that one.  Benford goes out and in goes elam, with douglas already struggling.  The entire team couldn't tackle or create pressure.  Also his big catch wasn't even a freaking catch and i'll never have anyone explain to me why it was.  

 

I also don't really think its that important when you get 150 yards in a super bowl when your team ran the ball 7x, turned it over 3x, had 12 first downs, and lost by 18.  He had 2 catches for 9 yards when they were down 34-0.  

 

Shakir being "a dawg" is a measure of feels not proof that he is going to be a huge producer.  He is a very good slot-only receiver.   I assume he will be good for 800-900 yards again if he can continue to withstand the punishment he takes.   900 is not a lot for a team's top target though and anything more than 900 is more than he has done so there would be uncertainty that.   The Bills passing game production last year was pretty low. 

 

Regarding Coleman/Worthy.......like I said, the way you judge hyped rookie WR is how they progress in year one.   Very often, the stars take off in the second half of the season.   Worthy did very little the first 9 games and then averaged 56 per game from then on.   That's a 950 yard pace and he averaged 95 in his 3 playoff games.   He was trending as expected.   Coleman's season was trending up around mid-season but he finished VERY poorly.  

 

If you want to talk about "less uncertainty" then you talk facts not feels.  

 

The 2024 Bills were 17th in passing yards.   The 2023 Bills were 10th.   2022 they were 9th but only played 16 games due to the Damar game.   2020 they were 3rd.   Say what you want about the offense but the passing game has been trending the wrong way for quite a while as the WR corps has declined.   The offense has remained productive statistically but at the end of the season when they've needed guys to make plays in big games.......like an AFCCG or SB where Worthy went off.........the Bills haven't had that guy and Allen has been left to play hero ball and fall short.

[Richard Noggin]

On 5/13/2025 at 7:21 AM, Don Otreply said:

Some folk have a visceral dislike of science and or those that through much study and practical experience have excelled in those endeavors. They give indications that they are or could very well be intimidated by such people. 
 

His stance on “God” riles some folk up, but that’s to be expected. 

 

He's brilliant but he's also a dork (different from being a nerd, which of course he is). He enjoys being a pedantic Buzz Killington about popular misconceptions and kinda publicly yucks people's (slightly and blissfully ignorant) yums. Not a great ambassador in that he doesn't inspire a ton of wonder, at least with his noisy public persona. 

 

I'll admit his first appearance on The Colbert Report (a billion years ago) is the episode when Colbert finally figured out his own character's persona. Amazing interview. 

 

Tyson would find a way to make an amazing, season-defining NFL replay seem less amazing once you realize that centrifugal force is not actually a real thing and that centripetal force, which is the actual concept, doesn't actually apply at all in this case. You see how arbitrary and pedantic that was to read? 

[Richard Noggin]

8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

The 2024 Bills were 17th in passing yards.   The 2023 Bills were 10th.   2022 they were 9th but only played 16 games due to the Damar game.   2020 they were 3rd.   Say what you want about the offense but the passing game has been trending the wrong way for quite a while as the WR corps has declined.   The offense has remained productive statistically but at the end of the season when they've needed guys to make plays in big games.......like an AFCCG or SB where Worthy went off.........the Bills haven't had that guy and Allen has been left to play hero ball and fall short.

 

Pro Football Reference has 2024 Bills 9th in passing yards (also 9th in rushing yards). Where are you looking?

 

And either way, being ahead of the Bills in that category doesn't exactly correlate with season success. Not a GREAT indicator imho.

 

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Pro Football Reference has 2024 Bills 9th in passing yards (also 9th in rushing yards). Where are you looking?

 

And either way, being ahead of the Bills in that category doesn't exactly correlate with season success. Not a GREAT indicator imho.

 

They're taking lost yardage due to sacks into account which lowers the passing yards of every team.  Bills lost the fewest amount of yards due to sacks so we went from 17th in overall passing yards to 9th in passing yards and yards loss due to sacks.  Shows the importance of avoiding negative plays which is why I argued for Josh winning the MVP besides the fact that I'm a homer.

[NewEra]

16 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

I think last year there was a really big unknown factor - Hollins was a cast-off, Coleman a rookie who didn't test well, samuel who was brought in to play a few different roles as an upgrade over Mckenzie and Harty on offense, shakir only had 65 targets in 2 seasons, and MVS who was there as a deep threat.  Hollins definitely was worth his contract, coleman made some highlights and lowlights, samuel missed a bunch of camp with turf toe and then played through it, and MVS was a disaster.  

 

This year we know Shakir is legit.  We saw some highlight reel plays from Coleman, and he played a lot better before his injury.  Samuel never felt like himself, but he did score 2 playoff TDs.  Now you add in palmer who is a blocking type of receiver who can get open down the field, and Elijah moore who gives you a bit more from slot depth that wasn't there last year.  

 

There isn’t any unknown to Badol.  He knows all.  Just ask him

[dave mcbride]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

They're taking lost yardage due to sacks into account which lowers the passing yards of every team.  Bills lost the fewest amount of yards due to sacks so we went from 17th in overall passing yards to 9th in passing yards and yards loss due to sacks.  Shows the importance of avoiding negative plays which is why I argued for Josh winning the MVP besides the fact that I'm a homer.

As they should. Lost yardage due to sacks IS part of the passing game yardage. You can’t factor that out and call yourself honest.