Is Ed Oliver still on the team by September?

[gjv]

11 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

I could see them trading Oliver next offseason,  that gives the Bills one year for rookies to develop.  As for Beane,  he traded a 3rd rounder for Copper because the receivers on this team struggle to get separation.

 

It cost us in final drive against Chiefs in title game

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Kincade's dropped pass cost us the final drive against the Chiefs?  

[DrDawkinstein]

The craziest part of this thread is finding out @HOUSE is still allowed around livestock

[gjv]

I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of pass rush Oliver and Sanders generate. 

[mjt328]

Oliver always seems to play better when he's got a solid 1-Tech playing next to him.

 

He was considered a pretty big disappointment with Harrison Phillips (injured most of his final days here), Quinton Jefferson, Vernon Butler and Star Lotulelei as the other DT.  Then he finally broke out when we signed Daquan Jones.  He had a couple Pro-Bowl caliber seasons and signed an extension.  Once Jones started seeing his play decline, Oliver disappeared again.

[Gisele]

I'm just growing tired of them putting so much effort into getting pieces to free up Ed so he can be productive.  Shouldn't such a talented guy need less help?  

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

11 hours ago, HOUSE said:

I am looking to buy a horse farm in East Aurora and if Ed Oliver were traded away I could get a real cushy deal.

Buffalo drafted some much bigger defensive players, Ed is small  6'1" and has a fairly big contract. Branden Beane needs cap space for the next superstar wide receiver. You probably don't care about stupid wide receivers but I do.

Anyway....

I am hoping to get the horses too. 🐎 

 

[ddaryl]

11 hours ago, HOUSE said:

I am looking to buy a horse farm in East Aurora and if Ed Oliver were traded away I could get a real cushy deal.

Buffalo drafted some much bigger defensive players, Ed is small  6'1" and has a fairly big contract. Branden Beane needs cap space for the next superstar wide receiver. You probably don't care about stupid wide receivers but I do.

Anyway....

I am hoping to get the horses too. 🐎 

 

 

are you being serious or just being a troll?

[BearNorth]

51 minutes ago, T master said:

I never really understood the pick of Oliver and given his size and his supposed quick get off why they wouldn't try him as an edge rusher because his weight is not that of a D linemen . Sure John Randal played at a lighter weight but he was John Freakin Randal which Ed is not !

Aaron Donald will be a 1st Ballot HOF selection, 6'1" 280.  Ed Oliver 6'1" 287.

[dorquemada]

I don't know, it seems Beane's plan is to run an ALL DL defense, we'll need every one of those guys to step up, even the short, overpaid ones

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It opens up cap in that year, yes. But he'd have to be more than slightly underperforming to make it worth taking on that level of dead cap for a $2.5m saving, however you spread it across years for cap purposes. 

 

He'd have to be washed or a locker room issue. And I just don't see it.

If he continues to be average at best AND the young guns are eating his reps, you take the savings and the roster spot.  To me, the fact they have drafted 3 guys in the last 2 drafts and signed another that can/will play his position is a shot across the bow.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

23 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

Oliver always seems to play better when he's got a solid 1-Tech playing next to him.

 

He was considered a pretty big disappointment with Harrison Phillips (injured most of his final days here), Quinton Jefferson, Vernon Butler and Star Lotulelei as the other DT.  Then he finally broke out when we signed Daquan Jones.  He had a couple Pro-Bowl caliber seasons and signed an extension.  Once Jones started seeing his play decline, Oliver disappeared again.

 

I do think he's probably the player on the defensive line most capable of creating havoc in the interior over the last few years.  But its a position thats... inconsistent statistically.  

 

Chris Jones went from 15.5, to 10.5, to 5 sacks and its not as if hey had less of an impact.  They just blitz a lot and in that confusion - many players get home.  

 

 

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

If he continues to be average at best AND the young guns are eating his reps, you take the savings and the roster spot.  To me, the fact they have drafted 3 guys in the last 2 drafts and signed another that can/will play his position is a shot across the bow.

 

Nah. They love Ed. His reps have gone up the last two years. And while he didn't play well for probably 2/3s of the regular season last year he was one of our best players down the stretch and in the post season. I don't see the young guys eating into his reps at all. 

[JP51]

Yes he is... that is all... 

[BuffaloBill]

13 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

This isn't even a question. Ed Oliver isn't going anywhere this season. He carries a 32 million dollar Dead Cap hit.

 

I'm kind of baffled with why so many posters are looking at the improvements we made on the Line and rather than thinking we've improved the rotation - are like "cool now we can trade some people away". It isn't an improvement in depth of rotation if we're just moving one person out for another. 

This ^^^^ cutting or trading Oliver now makes absolutely mo sense. Why do people think the Bills after having a terrible 3rd down D last year, would want to lose a key piece of the D line rotation? 

[iccrewman112]

13 hours ago, buffblue said:

If I have to hear Chris Brown say ride em cowboy one more time...

the problem was he wasn’t he given enough reasons to say it.

[ddaryl]

1 minute ago, HOUSE said:

Actually I am kind of serious but I really wanted your take on trading Oliver. I grew up in South Wales

He needs a solid 1T, or at least someone capable next to him to absorb OL otherwise he becomes less effective, which we have all witnessed. We are stuck with him for the near future but he hasn't been a difference make anywhere near the consistency that we are lacking in pass rush and the ability to stop playoff caliber run teams

 

He costs to much to cut or trade, and we know we need to improve along the DL because it was completely obvious we struggled here. I don't see us being able to move on till 2027 if we don't see improvement with new bodies next to him. 

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Nah. They love Ed. His reps have gone up the last two years. And while he didn't play well for probably 2/3s of the regular season last year he was one of our best players down the stretch and in the post season. I don't see the young guys eating into his reps at all. 

 

He is also one of the only Bills players that consistently shows up big in games against KC. Even if he has some down regular season games, I'll take that.

[TheBeaneBandit]

10 hours ago, gjv said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Kincade's dropped pass cost us the final drive against the Chiefs?  

Jesus Christ get over it that catch was so far from a routine catch it's not even funny.

[T master]

9 hours ago, BearNorth said:

Aaron Donald will be a 1st Ballot HOF selection, 6'1" 280.  Ed Oliver 6'1" 287.

 

Yah but do you notice a complete difference between Ed & Aaron ??? Somethings missing in the translation that's why I mentioned John Randal, there are those 2 Aaron & John then there is Ed no comparison !!! 

[gjv]

52 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Jesus Christ get over it that catch was so far from a routine catch it's not even funny.

What's factual is factual. This was the play, or more precisely, the miss-play that ended the series against the Chiefs. Has nothing to do with getting over anything.