Elijah Moore Visiting the Bills today (Update: Signed!)

[MrEpsYtown]

No risk. Good move. There is untapped potential. Guy has something to prove. If he complains you cut him and he probably never gets another job. I think he will play nice for a year to parlay a big contract playing with Allen. Hired gun to try and help us win a championship. If I’m the Bills I use him as a punt returner as well. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

4 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Offensive coordinators are the key ingredient with seemingly lesser talent. Josh just does Josh.

 

 

True,, but still need to QB who can make the throws.

[Mat68]

36 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Good wr’s generally are still very good with bad to average qb play.   
 

 

I would argue 1 can.  

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[Big Turk]

High upside, no real downside. Played with two of the most dysfunctional organizations in the NFL 

 

Not going to excuse the attitude issues but I think a lot of people would have attitude issues on those teams that wouldn't on a team like the Bills.

[Mat68]

21 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Jeremy's argument of getting cheap labor by drafting every year or two at the position has its validity too.

They did draft one this year.  With the first pick last year. They drafted Shorter the year prior and the year before that they picked Shakir.  What are we talking about?

[Luka]

Palmer, Shenault and now Moore. Shenault was definitely a player a large part of the board wanted in the draft when he came out. Moore fits the exact type of receiver people wanted in Worthy last year. I guess I am not understanding how a 4th round wide receiver would some how be a better prospect in a receiver thin class than 3 guys with NFL experience. Is it just the desire for the unknown? You want to be there when "your guy" makes it to the big time? 

 

Shakir is the #1. We used him essentially the same way we used Diggs, except Shakir wasn't bitching every play he didn't get the ball so he saw less targets. Kincaid is technically supposed to be the #2, the generational talent at tight end. You mix Knox and a couple guys in here and there, that's the offense essentially. Cooper improved the offense because he was a deep threat. Coleman is supposed to be that guy but he did not mature as quickly as the staff thought he would, in came Cooper. If Coleman can start to be the presence on the outside that's a threat to Moss a defender down field, this offense will be just as good, if not better than it was last year. 

 

Moore will be the McKenzie of this offense, or at least, that will be what this staff hopes to get out of him. Speed can work just as well on a jet sweep as it can downfield. Get him some bubble screens and make some space, he can certainly be a piece in this offense. 

Edited 16 hours ago by Luka

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14 minutes ago, khlax3 said:

I would assume he is getting at least 3.5 guaranteed. When the browns put the tender on him that guaranteed him 3.43 million from them for this season. I doubt he would sign for less than that

The Browns have a QB room consisting of a busted Watson, the ghost of Flacco, Ken-ya Pick-it (yes you can), an over drafted 3rd round rookie that they took because they didn’t trust the 5th round rookie that they then picked not to turn the organization into a circus. They also have the draft capital to select another QB next year when this blows up in their face. If you were signing a 1 year deal to show your skills and set you up for your next contract, is that the situation you’d want to do it in? I wouldn’t be so sure he didn’t take less. 

[The Wiz]

6 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Well I would caution that coopers ailments in Cleveland were blamed on poor qb play also and then he was just a guy here.  
 

a third round pick was thrown away.  At least Moore only costs money.

I like the idea of a 25 yo player more than bringing a player like cooper.  Did they need it last year, yes.  Did he help, in a sense.  Either way, did you really think that the QB talent in Cleveland should have been more productive than it was?

 

I'll take a flyer on a guy who hasn't worked out with other teams over the older guy who "still kinda has it but lost a step".

[BuffaloBillyG]

26 minutes ago, khlax3 said:

I could see shenault still making the team. He can be wr 6, punt returner, kick returner. He offers way more value than codrington does as solely a PR (he provides nothing at corner and they pulled him from KR later in the year last year

He has exactly ZERO career punt return yards. And only 708 career KO return yards...just over 450 of that were last year. 

 

Not really impressed there. 

[JaCrispy]

Now Beane seems like a fool for how he behaved on wgr…clearly he felt like he needed another receiver, yet attacked the radio hosts for suggesting as much…

 

To avoid this situation, all he had to say was that the offseason wasn’t over, and that they are always looking to upgrade…Unfortunately his emotions got the best of him…

[juno999]

Curious to see what Beane discloses about this signing.  Moore visited day after draft concluded.  It appears this was in the works at least this past weekend if not longer.

[The Wiz]

9 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Now Beane seems like a fool for how he behaved on wgr…clearly he felt like he needed another receiver, yet attacked the radio hosts for suggesting as much…

 

To avoid this situation, all he had to say was that the offseason wasn’t over, and that they are always looking to upgrade…Unfortunately his emotions got the best of him…

Yes.  Always a good idea to tip your hand to everyone else what you plan on doing pre, during and post draft to maximize the value you get.

 

They interviewed Moore before the draft and no one even knew about it anywhere.  That's good GMing.

 

EDIT:  And now in hindsight, it makes his remarks even more valid.  They were complaining that "you don't value WR the same as other teams" but was talking to a player at that position to try to help the WR room prior to the draft and signed him.  This is a a double "STFU" from the interview and signing stance.

Edited 15 hours ago by The Wiz

[Success]

This is a very good signing for us.

 

[UKBillFan]

So here's the wide receiver. Would I still have liked a move to draft Thornton, Royals or Horton? Yes, sure, even with Moore seemingly now in the room. But this is a positive move in terms of talent, variety and depth.

[boyst]

1 minute ago, Success said:

This is a very good signing for us.

 

Better than Tavon Austin and Ricky Proehl Jr? 

[MasterStrategist]

47 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

That's exactly right. Fans overrate how much extra production WRs get from elite QBs. Chase and Higgins were still elite when Jake Browning was their QB. The example I always use is Tyreek Hill got more production when he went from Mahomes to Tua. WR production is about a whole lot more than their QB, and most of it rests on the WR themselves.

 

I'm struggling to think of a recent example of a WR where the light suddenly clicked on after getting a better QB? It didn't happen with Kadarius Toney or Chase Claypool or Nelson Agholor, etc.

Don't tell this to @GASabresIUFan....I've heard QB play is the differnce.

 

All seriousness, I agree that WR production is usually system/fit/opportunity, and having a bad QB isn't going to swing the needle much.  Especially for a slot WR, who does a majority of work underneath...it's a bit different for a boundary WR IMO.

 

Moore is good depth for Shakir, when Khalil is out this offense loses ALOT.  I'd trust Moore to step in, and hopefully he can add additional value in the return game (so Codrington has competition/potentially frees up a roster spot).

 

This is a better Kj Hamler depth guy IMO

[Success]

2 minutes ago, boyst said:

Better than Tavon Austin and Ricky Proehl Jr? 

 

Not sure what the point is here - but Moore can add something to this offense that we do NOT have, and we needed another capable receiver.

 

 

[HamptonBillsfan]

This signing will be as important as any addition the Bills make this year. Moore is a victim of truly crappy QBs and offensive systems. Look at what has become of the QBs and OCs on Cleveland and NY. Josh will enable Moore to blossom in Buffalo. He is a speedy receiver with good hands and gets separation. He had over 60 receptions with 3 different QBs last season. I’m predicting upwards of 80 this coming year.

[boyst]

Just now, Success said:

 

Not sure what the point is here - but Moore can add something to this offense that we do NOT have, and we needed another capable receiver.

 

 

Genuine question.

 

Austin had good experience, arguably better coming in than Moore.

 

Proehl had a lot of raw unknown talent.

 

I wonder if this guy can make the roster? Would we keep 4 WR's and only 5 WR?