Another one - Trey Hendrickson asks for a trade from Cincy

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, eball said:

 

Who’s the cast-off?  Hoecht?  Ogunjobi?  And why can’t rookies make a difference?  The veterans last year sure didn’t.

 

The Bills don’t have the $$ to trade for Hendrickson, as certainly he’d be looking for a sign-and-trade deal.

 

I assume the "cast off" was Bosa. 

 

But with the draft investment with the guys we took among with Bosa and the PED twins, it's pretty clear that Beane has invested in DL this year and I would assume any other large investments in the spot is off the table for now.

9 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Good points.  I forgot about the fines just for missing mandatory minicamps and especially training camp.

Players have gotten smarter. The ones on top of things do a "hold in" where they show to camp, attend meetings and lift..but don't partake in football activities. It does just enough to avoid the fines.

[Warriorspikes51]

40 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

Tell me you are talking about @Warriorspikes51 without telling me you are talking about him

 

Thanks! I wouldn't have seen that and had a good laugh because of the ignore feature! 

[billsfan89]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I assume the "cast off" was Bosa. 

 

But with the draft investment with the guys we took among with Bosa and the PED twins, it's pretty clear that Beane has invested in DL this year and I would assume any other large investments in the spot is off the table for now.

Players have gotten smarter. The ones on top of things do a "hold in" where they show to camp, attend meetings and lift..but don't partake in football activities. It does just enough to avoid the fines.

 

Fully agree that the Bills seem to be "good" on the D-line. If there's a rash of injuries there I can see a trade deadline deal similar to when they traded for Douglas in 2023 but I think given the depth the Bills brought in that's not likely to happen. 

 

The Bills bolstered the short term mercenary part of the defensive line by signing Bosa and Larry O. They then got their moveable "chess piece" in Hoecht whose on a 3 year deal, and they got the younger developmental players who should be rotational players via picks in rounds 2-4. In addition the Bills have backend development pieces in Carter and Solomon from the previous draft and Groot who they locked in longer term. Plus AJE and D.Jones are still there on the last year of their contracts. 

 

2025 just seems like a very crowded field post draft and free agency even with the "PED Twins" (hilarious nickname) suspended. I suspect the Bills will if they like their rookies/2nd year players ability to contribute might move on from AJE or D.Jones before the season starts and wait for the PED Twins to come back. Or if they feel like a lot of the rookies still need time to cook and Solomon and Carter aren't ready for bigger roles they will just "figure it out" after the first 6 weeks likely assuming there's gonna be an injury or two after a third of the season is up. 

[SCBills]

With all the young, rookie contract talent Beane has on the DL, along with guys in multi-year deals.. I don’t know that we would be out in trading for Hendrickson if it makes sense.

 

Youd really only be paying Hendrickson on a new contract, Rousseau and Oliver.

 

Oliver, we can get out of that contract after this year if we want to. 
 

Rousseau, Hoecht, Jackson, Solomon are all here for the next 3 years and you could line up a Hendrickson deal within the same timeframe.

 

On the interior, if Beane and our player development come through, you’d have Carter, Sanders and Walker on rookie contract for that timeframe as well. 
 

Would essentially confirm Bosa as a one year rental, but for one year the ceiling of our DL would be that of the Eagles last year. 
 

I think we bet on what we’ve done, which on paper could be a Championship Caliber DL by the end of the season.. but money-wise, they only really have actual money tied up in two guys for the foreseeable future.  

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

10 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

It's funny how when there's someone who wants a new contract and doesn't get it - everyone thinks they're going to hold out into the season.

 

Of all the unhappy players who wanted new contracts last season, there was only one player in the entire league who sat out games. Haason Reddick. And that was less about the contract and more about not wanting to play for the Jets after being traded there.

 

When push comes to shove - players hardly ever give up game checks and pay fines on top of it.

 

I think usually it ends up being a tagged player, and hendricksons deal is essentially a tag but less (his cash this year is 16M vs. 22M for a tag).  He's made over 60M already in his career, so sitting out is a lot easier when you have that in the bank. 

 

He is about the same age as hunter and 1 year older than garrett - both had their contracts re-done this offseason.  There's nothing for him after this year - 0 guarantee's, 0 void years.  Based on cap hit for 2025 he's at 20th for DE's, based on cash for this year he's 27th. 58 sacks in 4 years with 11 forced fumbles, 1st team all-pro last year, and led all their linemen in snaps by a pretty large margin.  

 

They added a year and some salary prior to 2023 to lock him in through 2025, but i can't imagine he was happy with his contract last year either and after 35 sacks over 2 years and no sign of extension or raise in the immediate future - I really don't see him showing up to work for what is agreed upon.  I think his future earnings take a hit if he holds out into the season, but if he gets hurt on his current deal then his future earnings probably take an even bigger hit.  

[Low Positive]

12 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Looks like his agent is leaking through Schefter that the team has cut off contract communication. This gon' git uglyyyy

They spent all their money making sure that Joey Burr Burr doesn't feel like he's at home alone. 

[HappyDays]

This is getting ugly:

 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

Commanders, Falcons or Lions will get him at a discounted trade rate 

[HappyDays]

 

[Warriorspikes51]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

* He received a text from Zac Taylor on Monday threatening him with fines if he didn't show at mandatory minicamp in June.

* That text angered Hendrickson and triggered his statement on Monday to the national media.

Oh my not a good look for Cincy

[TheFunPolice]

Remove the powdered coffee creamer from the cafeteria. And piss off another star player. We will not not be labelled cheap!

 

[zow2]

The Bengals need to make the best trade they can and deal him.  The relationship is fractured.

[BillsFanForever19]

3 minutes ago, zow2 said:

The Bengals need to make the best trade they can and deal him.  The relationship is fractured.

 

We're like only 2 months removed from the Myles Garrett situation of a "fractured relationship".

 

No relationship is fractured when it comes to money. If the Bengals change course and give him what he wants, he'll sign and it will all be water under the bridge.

[Dillenger4]

Word on the street is Bills are pushing hard to make this happen. They keep crank calling Trey saying: "Hey trey, wanna play? Well.. you're gona hafta wait a little longer" or something like that.... silly beane. Pranking Trey.

[BillsFanForever19]

5 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 2025 just seems like a very crowded field post draft and free agency even with the "PED Twins" (hilarious nickname) suspended. I suspect the Bills will if they like their rookies/2nd year players ability to contribute might move on from AJE or D.Jones before the season starts and wait for the PED Twins to come back. Or if they feel like a lot of the rookies still need time to cook and Solomon and Carter aren't ready for bigger roles they will just "figure it out" after the first 6 weeks likely assuming there's gonna be an injury or two after a third of the season is up. 

 

We keep at least 5 at each DE and DT. At times, we've kept 6 at each. We had 6 in 2023 at DE and we ended last season with 6 at DT (Oliver, Jones, Johnson, Carter, Jefferson, Phillips). It's fairly common for us to have 11 on the DL.

 

With Hoecht and Ogunjobi suspended, we actually aren't that crowded at all. We're at the minimum we keep for each position at 10 total with Groot, Bosa, AJE, Jackson, and Solomon at DE and Oliver, Jones, Sanders, Walker, and Carter at DT. 

 

If we trade AJE and/or Jones before Week 7, we're not only not crowded - we're shorthanded. Especially with how often we rotate. A single injury would put us in a tough spot.

 

It wouldn't be unheard of to keep 12 along the DL when Hoecht and Ogunjobi return. And there will surely be injuries in the first 6 weeks that could make room for them. Maybe even along the DL.

 

I don't think either will be cut or traded. If that does happen, I don't see it happening before Week 7. I don't see the team leaving themselves possibly short handed or making room for Ogunjobi and Hoecht before they have them.

 

And I don't think they should. Keep the DL as deep as you can to the point where we're rotating in a quality player at all times.

Edited 2 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[MasterStrategist]

10 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

We keep at least 5 at each DE and DT. At times, we've kept 6 at each. We had 6 in 2023 at DE and we ended last season with 6 at DT (Oliver, Jones, Johnson, Carter, Jefferson, Phillips).

 

With Hoecht and Ogunjobi suspended, we actually aren't that crowded at all. We're at the minimum we keep for each position with Groot, Bosa, AJE, Jackson, and Solomon at DE and Oliver, Jones, Sanders, Walker, and Carter at DT. 

 

If we trade AJE and/or Jones before Week 7, we're not only not crowded - we're shorthanded. Especially with how often we rotate. A single injury would put us in a tough spot.

 

It wouldn't be unheard of to keep 12 along the DL when Hoecht and Ogunjobi return. And there will surely be injuries in the first 6 weeks that could make room for them. Maybe even along the DL.

 

I don't think either will be cut or traded. If that does happen, I don't see it happening before Week 7. I don't see the team leaving themselves possibly short handed or making room for Ogunjobi and Hoecht before they have them.

Jones is the one id consider "iffy".  Nothing about how he finished the season gives me hope he will contribute alot this year.

 

All depends on how Carter and Walker look at camp too.  Daquan looked done last year, if he declines in camp + 2 aforementioned players prove to be ready, then that 5th DT will be a placeholder/Prac Squad callup if needed for week 1-6.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

I would so gladly give up next years #1 for Hendrickson. Adding him decreases the reps and risk of injury to Bosa. I think it would truly put the defense over the top even with the uncertainty with the safeties. 

[Mr. WEO]

His public whining is getting old…

[Warriorspikes51]

34 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I would so gladly give up next years #1 for Hendrickson. Adding him decreases the reps and risk of injury to Bosa. I think it would truly put the defense over the top even with the uncertainty with the safeties. 

 

I think IF he does get traded, it will be for a 2nd +  instead of a 1st at this point

We won't be getting him though.    

[BUFFALOTONE]

Yea, Bills can't use a 17 sack guy each of the last three years...trade next years first if you have to its going to be a high pick anyways and go all in. Does $70M guaranteed get it done?