The Worthy Trade Keeps Looking Worse and Worse

[Blank Stare]

F Worthy. F the Chiefs. 

[boyst]

How many more games does worthy play this season?

[Augie]

1 hour ago, PastaJoe said:

Apples and oranges. If I was drafting a golf team I’d take Tiger over Phil. The Chiefs have not just exceeded in their coaching, their GM picks players best suited to their needs. He doesn’t pick another TE when the current one was just signed to a new contract, or pass on a WR who can stretch the defense.

 

I suppose if you want to miss the big point, you can. 

 

We have been stuck behind the perfect storm. A first ballot HOF HC/OC, a first ballot HOF QB, and a DC at the top of his game with HOF Chris Jones as a chess piece. 

 

My point was the timing for this Bills team was unfortunate. Some opportunities were certainly wasted. But I still feel good about what we have and hope things bounce our way this year. 

[Cray51]

4 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Asking Knox to take market price is part of Beane's job.  And from what I glean from the temperament of Knox I think he would accept market rates.  Knox seems like he would like to be a Bill for life.

 

And this understated quality, IMO, can be extended to Coleman - and never would be with Worthy.  

Knox absolutely seems like a career Bill, and would take quite the cut to stay with the team

[Ya Digg?]

1 hour ago, PastaJoe said:

Apples and oranges. If I was drafting a golf team I’d take Tiger over Phil. The Chiefs have not just exceeded in their coaching, their GM picks players best suited to their needs. He doesn’t pick another TE when the current one was just signed to a new contract, or pass on a WR who can stretch the defense.

The Bills don’t throw deep anyway, so if they had Worthy there would be a ton of threads calling him a bust and a waste of a pick. Worthy does one thing, but he does it very well. Same with MVS-he does one thing….goodish. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, TheWeatherMan said:

KC has 5 Super Bowl appearances with 3 wins over the last 7 seasons because of the Bills.  KC should absolutely trade with us every single chance they get! 

And it won’t make it any more likely that it wouldn’t work out for us

[PastaJoe]

17 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

The Bills don’t throw deep anyway, so if they had Worthy there would be a ton of threads calling him a bust and a waste of a pick. Worthy does one thing, but he does it very well. Same with MVS-he does one thing….goodish. 

They don’t throw deep because they don’t have anyone who can get open deep. Josh has the cannon, but not the target.

[PastaJoe]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Yes our coaching staff didn't maximize 5th round Matt Milano into an all pro.. sixth round Christian Benford into a stud.. a castaway from the browns in Jordan poyer into an all pro.. turned a good player in Micah Hyde into an All-Pro with a position switch 

 

James Cook has progressed every year and is always put in the best spots.. we took a super raw quarterback in Josh Allen who all the scouts admitted had tons of talent.. but the browns and jets and John elway passed him up because they didn't think they could develop him ... The bills did

 

We have developed Dawkins and Spencer Brown , we literally had the best 6th offensive lineman last year which we developed... We gave diggs the best years of his career.. we have developed Dawson Knox and even a guy like shavers has gone from undrafted to a key special team player who has had like a 70-yard touchdown last year in the NFL 

 

The Bills draft and develop talent better than 90% of the league

 

 

They also drafted high round busts like Elam and Basham, unnecessary picks like Kincaid, and most importantly have yet to make one Super Bowl with this GM and coach.

[Not at the table Karlos]

2 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Time to unleash Taylor Rapp…, just sayin, lol

Our defense is already injured enough we don’t need him taking out any more. 😉

[PromoTheRobot]

There is an irrational desire to see "Sugar High" Josh again. Like when he blindly chucked the ball up to Robert Foster for an 75 yd TD.

 

 

Man, that was AWESOME!!  And it was also a play that had a 2% of working. For some reason, low-risk, ball control, winning football just doesn't scratch that itch anymore.

[TheWeatherMan]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

And it won’t make it any more likely that it wouldn’t work out for us

I’d say it did work out for well for the Bills, it just worked out for Chiefs significantly more.  

[JohninMinn.]

Just like the WWE Chiefs and Bills are friends behind the scenes.

[SoTier]

13 hours ago, ShakAttack said:

 

I sure hope we can use Max by playoff time, but knowing McD's tendencies I think it is more likely he will want Max to get a "full off season" prior to him starting, unless injuries force our hand.

You don't know McD's tendencies all that much since every single first rounder drafted during McDermott's tenure except for Kair Elam started multiple games as rookies.  

• Tre'Davious White started every game in his rookie season (2017). 
• Josh Allen started 11 of 12 games as a rookie in 2018 (he missed 4 games because of injury).
• Tremaine Edmunds started 15 games as a rookie in 2018.  
• Ed Oliver started 7 of 16 games as a rookie in 2019.
• Greg Rousseau started all 17 games as a rookie in 2021.
• Dalton Kincaid started 11 of 17 games as a rookie in 2023.

There's absolutely no reason to believe that McDermott won't start Max Hairston when he's healthy simply because he's a rookie.

 

[ColoradoBills]

51 minutes ago, SoTier said:

There's absolutely no reason to believe that McDermott won't start Max Hairston when he's healthy simply because he's a rookie.

 

This one of the many "urban legends" that permeate this board.

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:

I’d say it did work out for well for the Bills, it just worked out for Chiefs significantly more.  

Can’t worry about that.  Gotta do what’s best to improve your team. 
 

After 1 year, it’s worked out better for the chiefs because Kincaid dropped a pass.  There are still years to be played and I have a feeling that the trade will work out significantly more for us in the end.  Just like trading Mahomes will work out best for us long term.  If we drafted Mahomes, we’d probably still be at zero SBs……and we wouldn’t have Josh Allen.  Who will win us at least one SB before it’s said and done.  Which is likely more than Mahomes would’ve gotten us 🍀 

 

drafting Mahomes means we would’ve never drafted Josh Allen.  That’s a bad trade for us as fans.  

 

 

[HappyDays]

My take is that I'd feel better about the trade if we had gotten a good player with that 3rd rounder, and not DeWayne Carter who is very likely to be a total bust at this point.

 

My other take is that I think both teams got the players they would have taken if they had stayed at their original pick. So mostly I just can't bring myself to care.

 

Coleman makes our team better and Worthy makes their team better. They also each fit what their respective offenses want to do. I think Worthy has already pretty much hit his ceiling and Coleman still has room to grow, and I'm a sucker for high ceiling players so I'd still take Coleman right now if it were up to me. But there's not an ironclad argument for either player.

 

It's week 5 of year 2 of their 10+ year NFL careers. Everyone needs to chill out and see where it goes.

[JBI$111]

5 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:

KC has 5 Super Bowl appearances with 3 wins over the last 7 seasons because of the Bills.  KC should absolutely trade with us every single chance they get! 

 

That's the cold hard truth! If we had better couching and better drafting, with Josh at the helm, it should have been us!!!

[90sBills]

2 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:

I’d say it did work out for well for the Bills, it just worked out for Chiefs significantly more.  

Especially if you factor in the Bills taking DeWayne Carter with the 3rd pick from KC and KC used the 4th pick they got from the Bills on Jaden Hicks, who is their starting safety. 

22 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Can’t worry about that.  Gotta do what’s best to improve your team. 

After 1 year, it’s worked out better for the chiefs because Kincaid dropped a pass.  

How does Kincaid not making that catch in the AFCCG related to Coleman and Worthy?
 

One guy was instrumental in helping his team in the postseason season while the other guy was blanketed by a db whenever a ball was thrown his way in the playoffs. Guess which one Buffalo got?

[JBI$111]

3 hours ago, PastaJoe said:

They don’t throw deep because they don’t have anyone who can get open deep. Josh has the cannon, but not the target.

 

That's correct, our receivers have a hard time getting open on short to intermediate routes, let alone longer downfield routes. The bottom line is, we need and have needed, a very fast receiver who can constantly separate and can go deep and keep defenses honest. We have pretty much all the other pieces on offense, but the defense is another story as 90% of the draft capital and resources seem to go to that side of the ball with Beane and McDermott running things and we have very little to show for it when it comes to having a dominating defense. The defense mainly has kept us from going all the way multiple years now.

[folz]

6 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:

More truth to this than people want to admit.  I’d still rather KC have a quality possession receiver than an electrifying take the top of the defense receiver like they have with Worthy and had with Hill.  

 

4 hours ago, PastaJoe said:

They don’t throw deep because they don’t have anyone who can get open deep. Josh has the cannon, but not the target.

 

First of all, the Bills do have some speed on their team:

 

Worthy 4.21 [40-time]

 

Samuel 4.31

Moore 4.35

Shakir 4.43

 

 

And obviously Worthy is waaaay faster than Keon, and no one is going to describe Keon as a receiver who can "take the top off a defense"...and yet, it might interest you to know:

 

In 22 games (including playoffs), Xavier Worthy has 12 receptions of 20 yards or more (54, 50, 50, 37, 35, 31, 28, 26, 24, 23, 21, 21).

In 20 games (including playoffs), Keon Coleman has 15 receptions of 20 yards or more (64, 57, 49, 44, 28, 25, 25, 24, 24, 21, 21, 21, 21, 20, 20).

 

Does it really matter if you get them with speed/route running, or you get them with route running/size/jump balls or whatever?

 

Edited Tuesday at 04:43 AM by folz