The Worthy Trade Keeps Looking Worse and Worse

[Alphadawg7]

Ive never seen a board so in love and obsessed with such a mediocre player.  Its ok to want more speed here, but that doesn't make Worthy the guy either. 

 

The miss in that draft was no where close to Worthy.  If the Bills could go back to their original pick and instead of trading the pick away made their selection, there is 0% it would be Worthy, literally 0%.  There are better players that were available there than what Worthy is, including at WR, but also several other positions.  

 

The real "miss" was not trying to trade for BTJ (The big 3 were not realistic and there were no trade partners, this has been confirmed as none of the teams up that high wanted to come down as far as Buffalo was).  Now its possible Beane tried, none of us were in the war room - but based on everything we heard and what Beane said before and after the draft, etc, its a pretty reasonable assumption that we did not try to move up at all.  But, I really felt his combination of size and speed was rare and that to pair that with Josh was both something I thought we would try and get (and should try and get) if he got to a reasonable trade up range.  

 

At the same time, I get Beane (and really everyone) expected the team to be in a mini-retool last year with the turnover on both sides of the ball.  So I get why moving up was less appealing in a season we were already down a 3rd even though I still would have entered the draft with the notion that if BTJ got close enough we would at least try and get him.  And that opinion is not after his rookie season, I went into that draft both wanting that and believing that we would do that too given the needs at WR. 

[Virgil]

At this point, I'm more upset we didn't draft Cooper DeJean over Coleman.  I was on the WR train with everyone else in that draft, but DeJean really called to me and I wish we had drafted him.  

[strive_for_five_guy]

30 minutes ago, NewEra said:

As if we were their only chance to trade up….

 

As if there was no chance he would’ve been there when they drafted….

 
 

I never said we were their only chance to trade up or that Worthy wouldn’t have been there when the Chiefs picked.  Either way, given the Chiefs are the team we’ve been trying to get past in the AFC, we shouldn’t have been the ones to help them.  It doesn’t make any sense to help your nemesis.

[Best Williams Available]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Ive never seen a board so in love and obsessed with such a mediocre player.  Its ok to want more speed here, but that doesn't make Worthy the guy either. 

 

The miss in that draft was no where close to Worthy.  If the Bills could go back to their original pick and instead of trading the pick away made their selection, there is 0% it would be Worthy, literally 0%.  There are better players that were available there than what Worthy is, including at WR, but also several other positions.  

 

The real "miss" was not trying to trade for BTJ (The big 3 were not realistic and there were no trade partners, this has been confirmed as none of the teams up that high wanted to come down as far as Buffalo was).  Now its possible Beane tried, none of us were in the war room - but based on everything we heard and what Beane said before and after the draft, etc, its a pretty reasonable assumption that we did not try to move up at all.  But, I really felt his combination of size and speed was rare and that to pair that with Josh was both something I thought we would try and get (and should try and get) if he got to a reasonable trade up range.  

 

At the same time, I get Beane (and really everyone) expected the team to be in a mini-retool last year with the turnover on both sides of the ball.  So I get why moving up was less appealing in a season we were already down a 3rd even though I still would have entered the draft with the notion that if BTJ got close enough we would at least try and get him.  And that opinion is not after his rookie season, I went into that draft both wanting that and believing that we would do that too given the needs at WR. 

What these obsessives can’t comprehend is that had we picked Worthy and the Chiefs Coleman, Keon would be studding it up and they’d hate the Worthy pick. It’s all about how good Reid is and mediocre our OCs are by comparison.

[Ray Stonada]

7 minutes ago, Best Williams Available said:

What these obsessives can’t comprehend is that had we picked Worthy and the Chiefs Coleman, Keon would be studding it up and they’d hate the Worthy pick. It’s all about how good Reid is and mediocre our OCs are by comparison.

 

Could be. We certainly don't seem to be able to scheme our guys open very often!

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

I never said we were their only chance to trade up or that Worthy wouldn’t have been there when the Chiefs picked.  Either way, given the Chiefs are the team we’ve been trying to get past in the AFC, we shouldn’t have been the ones to help them.  It doesn’t make any sense to help your nemesis.

What if Beanes game plan was to trade down and get a 3rd rd pick to recoup what we gave up Rasul which is very likely to be the case?  You’re saying we should alter our game plan because of another opponent?  No one else offered us a 3rd and KC gave US what WE WANTED.  We should say no because it’s KC?  That’s such a ****y way to run your operations. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Hopefully Keon has a big game tonight. 

 

If not...

[Best Williams Available]

2 hours ago, Ray Stonada said:

 

Could be. We certainly don't seem to be able to scheme our guys open very often!

Or we just use our guys outside of their strengths. Almost every NFL can play, but some can’t make it because of fit. Hard to say unless they go somewhere else and ball out. 

[TH3]

2 hours ago, Best Williams Available said:

What these obsessives can’t comprehend is that had we picked Worthy and the Chiefs Coleman, Keon would be studding it up and they’d hate the Worthy pick. It’s all about how good Reid is and mediocre our OCs are by comparison.

Bills set a club record for points last year…so how mediocre was the offense ?

 

sheesh

[strive_for_five_guy]

18 minutes ago, NewEra said:

What if Beanes game plan was to trade down and get a 3rd rd pick to recoup what we gave up Rasul which is very likely to be the case?  You’re saying we should alter our game plan because of another opponent?  No one else offered us a 3rd and KC gave US what WE WANTED.  We should say no because it’s KC?  That’s such a ****y way to run your operations. 

Getting the 3rd rd pick was obviously part of Beane’s game plan, although how did his game plan work out for us last season?  The Chiefs still beat us when it mattered.  I am saying that we shouldn’t pursue a game plan that is going to help our nemesis.

[Einstein]

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

As if we were their only chance to trade up….

 

Common sense dictates that the Chiefs did NOT have a better offer than the Bills. If they did, they would have taken it.

Which means either:

 

1) The Chiefs had other offers to move up and the Bills gave them the best deal. Barf.

 

or

 

2) The Chiefs had no other opportunities and the Bills gave them their only chance to move up and get him. Barf. 

 

The Bills never should have done business with the Chiefs, and that has nothing to do with Worthy. You simply don’t do deals with your enemy. Especially an enemy that has proven they have a great front office.

[VW82]

Keon > Ladd > Worthy

 

Fight me

[90sBills]

32 minutes ago, VW82 said:

Keon > Ladd > Worthy

 

Fight me

At basketball?

[Sierra Foothills]

6 hours ago, NewEra said:

Detroits offense didn’t look very good to me last night.  
 

I also think we have more of an identity than both of those offenses do.  We run the ball and run it well.  The question is, when we can’t run it well, can our pass offense step in and take over?  I think a lot of it depends on the opposing dc calling a great game (or not) and whether or not our guys can catch and hang onto the ball.  
 

KC has Andy Reid.  He’s an all timer.  I expect him to call great games and scheme guys open.  Especially when they have as much speed as they currently do.  
 

 

Regardless of last night, I still think Detroit's offense is more creative and dynamic than ours.

 

If Goff wasn't such a statue, especially in contrast to our Superman, I think their offense would be much better than ours.

 

Josh's mobility is the equalizer.