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[BADOLBILZ]

19 hours ago, NewEra said:

Yes, they did.  I’ve acknowledged this many times.   Not scoring on a drive in which you scored 29 points is different than allowing your opponent to score more points than they had all year.    The year before, the KC offense obliterated our defense even worse.  Both games without our best defensive player, Benford 
 

I don’t feel like we’ve lost ground to KC.  They had a helluva draft, but don’t think they’ve upgraded their OL very much if at all.  Also acknowledging that their offense could be better with rice and royals in the mix.  
 

I also think we had a helluva draft and upgraded our DL in a big way in the offseason.  Our pass rush, on paper, is much better than last year imo.  Our secondary is clearly better this year, unless you think Rasul Douglas is better than our new additions.  Our LBs are the same and have a chance to be healthy.  
 

I will say, our offense didn’t get much better, if at all.  The improvements will have to come from player progression.  Possible.  

 

To the first highlighted,  they didn't score on two drives of 4 down offense to lose those Chiefs games.   In the imaginary world where clutch doesn't outweigh what you do in the first 50 minutes or so of a game then it only seems WORSE when you can't score when punting isn't an option and the defense is playing with their tongues hanging out. 

 

The closing minutes of a close game are where you see what people are capable of when they are fully invested.   Clutch is everything because it's the only time when the vast majority of the people involved know the full consequence of not going all out in that moment.   Human nature creates as many close games as a similarity in talent.  Coaches coach themselves into close games,  player effort/focus tends to fluctuate in the mundane moments of games.   If the talent is close the game will usually be close at the end.  It's why performing in the clutch earns such respect.  

 

When everyone is going 100% the best men generally make the plays and win the game.   Difference makers.

 

I do feel like they lost some ground to KC on paper.   I think they finally got a LT.   I think they are getting more dynamic offensively around Mahomes.  Rice blew up in the second half of his rookie year and was on a 1400 yard pace when he got injured.   Worthy was ascending rapidly and was great in the AFCCG and SB.   Difference making talent.   Baltimore got better in the draft too.   They didn't have to draft for need like Buffalo, which bodes well for their result.

 

And no, on paper our pass rush is not better.    Ogunjobi and Hoecht did not have productive years rushing the passer.   Von Miller was a much more efficient pass rusher than Bosa in 2024.   History tells us not to expect much from second round DL talent as rookies.   They got more name bodies and swapped out a seemingly washed up HOF'er for a younger but also seemingly washed up Hall of Very Good(but always injured) player.   A lot has to go better this year than it did for these guys last year for it to be "much better".   Not sure how you can assume it will.

 

The secondary might be better if Max Hairston is really good.   Who knows if that's the case.   You have to anticipate continued decline from Taron Johnson.  Tre White and Dane Jackson were trash in 2024 and fingers crossed that Benford's concussion issues at the end don't carry over because if he's not excellent again the secondary gets a lot worse.

 

Agreed that the offense didn't get better.   They had career years from Allen(decision making, protecting the ball), James Cook and the entire OL(health).   It is unlikely to replicate those performances so they will need other players to step up to maintain. 

  

 

[Matt_In_NH]

20 minutes ago, finn said:

My counter is that the offense wasn't good enough in the playoffs last, so it stands to reason it won't be enough this year, given what little Beane has changed (let's assume that, yes, some players will improve but others will disappoint or get injured, as happens most every year). Last year, it got bailed out by the defense against Baltimore and failed on its final drive with the game on the line. 

 

In other words, does it matter that the offense didn't turn the ball over and scored lots of points if they keep losing in the playoffs? We're so used to blaming the defense that we forget that Diggs dropped that pass, Bass missed that field goal, Dawkins missed that block, Kincaid didn't make that kick, and pretty much no one showed up against the Bengals. The facts are plain: The offense hasn't been good enough. 

ok we agree to disagree.   It does matter if the offense performs and the defense does not.  It is important to identify your strengths and weaknesses and adjust based on that and not just hyper focus on a high end passing game.   IMO scoring 29 points and having no turnovers vs that defense is fine.  The defense should have been able to limit the not that good KC offense like Houston and the Eagles were able to do.  

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, transient said:

It wasn't the final drive of the game. The final drive of that 3 point game effectively ended when KC picked up 12 yds on a 3rd and 7 and then ran out the clock. But hey, details...

 

Yeah there was still about 1:45 left when KC ran the clock out after the Bass miss the year prior too.   The details are that the offense had the opportunity to burn most or all of the clock in both instances.   But came up well short of the end zone and that's why KC had the ball last.

 

They especially had the clock in hand in the January 2024 game.   If Allen takes the wide open check down to Diggs on 2nd and 9 after the 2 minute warning then it's almost certainly at worst 3rd and short and KC had zero timeouts left.   Instead they tried one of the great nonsensical plays in Bills history.   Tried to complete a 30 air yard pass to their slot receiver which would have only served to give the ball to the most clutch QB of this era with 2 minutes left to play 4 down football.   Just a brain dead decision by Brady/Allen.

 

This past loss they were much less successful on that last drive.  Not even close to a score and that's why there was enough clock left for KC to need a first down.  Hell, with the pace they were moving at offensively they might have had to hurl another 30 air yard pass in the end zone as time was expiring.  

 

And that was after Buffalo failed to get 10 yards on 4 downs the drive prior.   Offense just totally sh!t the bed down the stretch.  Defense bailed them out after Allen couldn't tush push detectably past the line to gain with a sack of Mahomes that stopped the KC drive.   But hey, you know all the details.

[NewEra]

36 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

To the first highlighted,  they didn't score on two drives of 4 down offense to lose those Chiefs games.   In the imaginary world where clutch doesn't outweigh what you do in the first 50 minutes or so of a game then it only seems WORSE when you can't score when punting isn't an option and the defense is playing with their tongues hanging out. 

 

The closing minutes of a close game are where you see what people are capable of when they are fully invested.   Clutch is everything because it's the only time when the vast majority of the people involved know the full consequence of not going all out in that moment.   Human nature creates as many close games as a similarity in talent.  Coaches coach themselves into close games,  player effort/focus tends to fluctuate in the mundane moments of games.   If the talent is close the game will usually be close at the end.  It's why performing in the clutch earns such respect.  

 

When everyone is going 100% the best men generally make the plays and win the game.   Difference makers.

 

I do feel like they lost some ground to KC on paper.   I think they finally got a LT.   I think they are getting more dynamic offensively around Mahomes.  Rice blew up in the second half of his rookie year and was on a 1400 yard pace when he got injured.   Worthy was ascending rapidly and was great in the AFCCG and SB.   Difference making talent.   Baltimore got better in the draft too.   They didn't have to draft for need like Buffalo, which bodes well for their result.

 

And no, on paper our pass rush is not better.    Ogunjobi and Hoecht did not have productive years rushing the passer.   Von Miller was a much more efficient pass rusher than Bosa in 2024.   History tells us not to expect much from second round DL talent as rookies.   They got more name bodies and swapped out a seemingly washed up HOF'er for a younger but also seemingly washed up Hall of Very Good(but always injured) player.   A lot has to go better this year than it did for these guys last year for it to be "much better".   Not sure how you can assume it will.

 

The secondary might be better if Max Hairston is really good.   Who knows if that's the case.   You have to anticipate continued decline from Taron Johnson.  Tre White and Dane Jackson were trash in 2024 and fingers crossed that Benford's concussion issues at the end don't carry over because if he's not excellent again the secondary gets a lot worse.

 

Agreed that the offense didn't get better.   They had career years from Allen(decision making, protecting the ball), James Cook and the entire OL(health).   It is unlikely to replicate those performances so they will need other players to step up to maintain. 

  

 

Of course being clutch matters.  I’m not saying it doesn’t.  As I’ve said before many times.   But we’ve been clutch.  Being clutch on offense means nothing when your D can’t keep a 3 point lead with 13 seconds left. In all likelihood, even if Josh had been clutch in the last 2 playoff losses, our defense would’ve lost it for him.  We can judge based on history.  And history suggests McD can’t stop Reid and Mahomes in the playoffs.  
 

The defense has been abysmal in every season ending loss since Josh’s ascension saving their worst for the biggest game.  It’s the biggest reason we have no super bowls.  Our WR unit carries some blame as well.  Just not nearly as much.  Every unit on D played much worse than our WR unit in our season ending losses.  It was our best players that dropped passes and got blown up in pass pro. 

[Bill from NYC]

On 5/4/2025 at 12:28 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

And Howie tends to make his moves on his terms.   Beane always seems to be chasing and overpaying in free agency or trade.

 

Do you think that Beane has to answer to McDermott much more than Howie must answer to anyone?

[SoTier]

2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Beane's argument isn't that simple.  

 

He's also mentioned that we scored 30 points in 8 consecutive games and were the highest scoring team in the NFL last season if you include the playoffs.  The offense was productive even without an elite receiver so maybe that wasn't our biggest need.    

And he's pointed out, reasonably enough, that you can have All Pros everywhere.  The cap doesn't allow that.

 

I believe that if you have a unicorn QB, you ought to prioritize two things: the OL and your stable of WRs.  I don't think Beane's done that.  It seems we either have a good OL, or a good group of WRs, but never both at the same time.  Still, there are rational arguments you can make for his approach.  

 

Every QB, whether he's a unicorn or not, requires protection and targets.   However, that protection and those targets don't necessarily have to be just OL and just WRs.  Bills TEs and RBs block well, and both were integral parts of Brady's offense last season, and a big reason that the Bills were successful on offense in 2024.   Cook breaking a long run is the equivalent of a WR catching a long pass.  The same with Kincaid or Knox making crucial catches ... and frequently WRs, especially the all-world types that some are pining for ... are notoriously poor blockers.

 

2 hours ago, finn said:

My counter is that the offense wasn't good enough in the playoffs last, so it stands to reason it won't be enough this year, given what little Beane has changed (let's assume that, yes, some players will improve but others will disappoint or get injured, as happens most every year). Last year, it got bailed out by the defense against Baltimore and failed on its final drive with the game on the line. 

 

In other words, does it matter that the offense didn't turn the ball over and scored lots of points if they keep losing in the playoffs? We're so used to blaming the defense that we forget that Diggs dropped that pass, Bass missed that field goal, Dawkins missed that block, Kincaid didn't make that kick, and pretty much no one showed up against the Bengals. The facts are plain: The offense hasn't been good enough. 

 

It's obvious that you are going to die on this hill of "we're doomed to lose in the playoffs because we don't have great WRs".  That's your choice.  I happen to believe that "defense wins championships" is a much higher hill, and it's always better to have the higher ground. 

[folz]

4 hours ago, LEBills said:

However, many of us are concerned that the offensive performance will not be sustainable with the current talent level. Josh performed at an MVP level last year to get those results. There have only been 4 QBs to win MVP in back to back seasons because sustaining that level is hard. We are concerned that the same receiving corp as last year with Josh Palmer and Elijah Moore swapped out for Cooper and Hollins is still very lackluster. 

 

I hope Brady can scheme things around to get production out of our other offensive weapons like he did last year. I hope Josh isn’t going to have to be Superman each week to make plays happen in the passing game. We all just want the Bills to win.

 

2 hours ago, LEBills said:

I hope so, hoping it doesn’t all fall on Josh to be Superman all year on offense.

 

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Clutch is everything because it's the only time when the vast majority of the people involved know the full consequence of not going all out in that moment.   

 

When everyone is going 100% the best men generally make the plays and win the game.   Difference makers.

 

Worthy was ascending rapidly and was great in the AFCCG and SB.   

 

And no, on paper our pass rush is not better.    

History tells us not to expect much from second round DL talent as rookies.   

 

You have to anticipate continued decline from Taron Johnson.  Tre White and Dane Jackson were trash in 2024 and fingers crossed that Benford's concussion issues at the end don't carry over

 

They had career years from Allen(decision making, protecting the ball), James Cook and the entire OL(health).   It is unlikely to replicate those performances so they will need other players to step up to maintain. 

  

 

 

LEBills: Josh has been performing at an MVP level for 5 years now. He has been top 3 in MVP voting 4 of the last 5 seasons. I don't think you have to worry about him sustaining that level despite who is around him on offense. And BADOL: Same goes for Cook and the O-line. I don't expect Cook to have as many TDs as last year (that was a lot), but there is no reason he should regress or not have another good year. And the offensive line has been very good and very healthy (for two years). Plus we have good depth if there are injuries this year. It's like you guys are really stretching to find some negatives to prove that the team will regress. You are saying it's because lack of good enough WRs, but then it's also Josh can't sustain, the O-line will fall apart, Cook will regress, our defense will still be terrible despite the additions. It doesn't make sense to me.

 

And this narrative that Josh has to be Superman and do everything by himself needs to end. It is a myth. Josh would be doing superhuman stuff regardless of how good the team around him is. You could put him on an All-star team with All-Pros at every position or the worst team in the league and he's still going to run the ball, hurdle people, throw lasers, etc. It is just who Josh is. He is a generational QB. That's what makes him a generational talent. I think it's very disrespectful to the other players for fans to keep saying Josh is doing it all by himself. It's just not true.

 

-From a quick search, our offensive line is generally ranked between 4-8. Either way, a top 5-10 offensive line (or you could say one of the best in the league). BTW, Josh was the least sacked QB in the league last year and had the fewest INTs of his career.

-I couldn't find rankings for runningback rooms going into 2025. But, you would be hard-pressed to find too many RB rooms in the NFL that are better top to bottom than Cook, Davis, and Johnson. Again, I would guess that we are at least in the top 5-10 range, like the O-line.

-Definitely would like to see more production from the TE room this year, but again, talent-wise at least Kincaid, Knox, Hawes, and Davidson are a pretty good unit. Not sure where they'd rank, but I'd say at least top half of the league with a lot of room for growth and improvement still.

 

So, a top 4-8 O-line, say a top 4-7 RB room, and at least a top 15 TE room and I'm to believe that Josh is doing it all on his own? And as so many have pointed out, when you look at weapons as a whole, rather than just WRs, Josh has plenty of weapons: Shakir, Palmer, Coleman, Samuel, Moore, Kincaid, Knox, Cook, Davis, Johnson. There may not be a super-stud in that group, but that's 10 very good players that I feel confident can get the job done (and most of them are young, in the up-swing of their careers, still with room to grow/improve).

 

Our TES and RBs accounted for 45% of our passing production last year and 43% of our passing TDs. And that wasn't out of desperation because we had no WRs...that is by design (everyone eats). We are not a traditional offense anymore because we have a unicorn QB who can read defenses, make all the throws, and has quick decision making. So, we scheme guys open and Josh spreads the ball around to the open man (who could be anyone). Or, in another way, you could say we are more traditional (throwback---as we ran the ball 49% last year). So, if we run 49% of the time, and 43% of our passing production goes to RBs and TEs, then our WRs are only accounting for about  22% of our total offensive production. So, how much money/resources should be spent on that position? How many stud WRs are going to be happy getting say 1/4th of 22% of the total offensive production. Even if you split the WR plays into only 3 WRs (rather than 5 or more), then each receiver is only averaging 4.4 receptions per game. We averaged only 13 pass completions per game to WRs last year. I don't think a stud receiver (who'll want 8-10 balls/game), in general, is going to be happy playing on a team like that. (Sure if you pick a rookie, they have no choice).

 

Now, I'm not saying that we don't need good receivers...as Beane said, you'd love to have All-Pros at every position. But, I can understand, at least, the idea of not overpaying the room (based on the amount of their overall production), or not paying for a stud FA WR who probably wouldn't be happy with the number of balls thrown to him, and who would cost way more than the amount of production he could provide in this offense. 

 

And again, with Amari. People chalk him up as a major loss to the WR room. But he only started 3 games, played only 21% of the total offensive snaps by the Bills last year, had less than 300 yards, and only 2 TDs. That amount of production is easily replaced. And let's face it, Amari is getting old, and he was dealing both with injuries and adapting to a new team/offense/QB mid-season. Let's not act like we had prime Amari Cooper all last year.

 

Hollins did play 66% of the offensive snaps, was a great blocker, and a bit of a spark plug. But production-wise, he only had 378 yards and 5 TDs (granted, some of those TDs were clutch).

 

Is there any reason to think Keon won't improve in his second year? Or Kincaid going into his third year? Is there any reason to think that (if all else stayed the same) Palmer and Moore combined can't match 675 yards and 7 TDs (the combined production of Hollins and Cooper last year)? I personally think that Palmer is a pretty decent upgrade from Hollins. And Moore alone, if given the chance, should at least be able to give us what Amari did (21% snaps, 297 yards, 2 TDs). I mean, it's not a high ceiling to reach just to stay even with last year. I just don't see a down grade.

 

And Clutch doesn't have to come from only your WRs. How many times was Bruce Smith clutch coming up with a sack or strip sack at just the right moment. How many times did Tre come up clutch early in his career with a key turnover in the 4th quarter at a crucial moment, etc. Clutch can come from many places, not just the WR room.

 

And finally, [sorry this is so long] BADOL, it feels like sometimes you have anti-Bills googles on. Meaning you see all of our flaws, but act as if other teams don't also have their flaws. I mean, to say Worthy was rapidly ascending before the AFC Championship game and Super Bowl? In his last 8 games played before the playoffs (not counting week 17 when he sat out), he averaged 50 yards and 0.375 TDs per game. Across the full season, he averaged 40 yards and 0.375 TDs per game. If those were Keon Coleman stats, you would be railing about how bad he is, not calling him an ascending player. And as far as the playoffs are concerned, in the AFC Championship game, if you take away the catch that wasn't a catch, he had 59 yards and 1 TD. In the Super Bowl, all of his production came in garbage time. When he made his first big catch, there was only 2:33 left in the 3rd quarter and the Eagles were already up 34-6. Prior to that catch (in the bulk of the first 3 quarters, when it counted), Worthy had 2 receptions for 9 yards, and 0 TDs. I'm not sold on Worthy yet, and I'm not down on Keon. Not sure, why you are so firmly the other way.

[GunnerBill]

35 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Do you think that Beane has to answer to McDermott much more than Howie must answer to anyone?

 

He doesn't "answer" to McDermott. But he isn't an all powerful GM in the way Howie is. The Bills have a flat structure. Sean and Brandon both report to Terry. In Philadelphia Howie is in total control. The Head Coach reports to him. 

 

But I still don't think that is the reason we draft less well. I just think Howie is better at his job and he has a hell of a staff around him. Alec Halaby in particular - the assistant GM - is a superstar. His self built analytics model is a critical piece in the way they team build.

[oldmanfan]

7 minutes ago, folz said:

 

 

 

LEBills: Josh has been performing at an MVP level for 5 years now. He has been top 3 in MVP voting 4 of the last 5 seasons. I don't think you have to worry about him sustaining that level despite who is around him on offense. And BADOL: Same goes for Cook and the O-line. I don't expect Cook to have as many TDs as last year (that was a lot), but there is no reason he should regress or not have another good year. And the offensive line has been very good and very healthy (for two years). Plus we have good depth if there are injuries this year. It's like you guys are really stretching to find some negatives to prove that the team will regress. You are saying it's because lack of good enough WRs, but then it's also Josh can't sustain, the O-line will fall apart, Cook will regress, our defense will still be terrible despite the additions. It doesn't make sense to me.

 

And this narrative that Josh has to be Superman and do everything by himself needs to end. It is a myth. Josh would be doing superhuman stuff regardless of how good the team around him is. You could put him on an All-star team with All-Pros at every position or the worst team in the league and he's still going to run the ball, hurdle people, throw lasers, etc. It is just who Josh is. He is a generational QB. That's what makes him a generational talent. I think it's very disrespectful to the other players for fans to keep saying Josh is doing it all by himself. It's just not true.

 

-From a quick search, our offensive line is generally ranked between 4-8. Either way, a top 5-10 offensive line (or you could say one of the best in the league). BTW, Josh was the least sacked QB in the league last year and had the fewest INTs of his career.

-I couldn't find rankings for runningback rooms going into 2025. But, you would be hard-pressed to find too many RB rooms in the NFL that are better top to bottom than Cook, Davis, and Johnson. Again, I would guess that we are at least in the top 5-10 range, like the O-line.

-Definitely would like to see more production from the TE room this year, but again, talent-wise at least Kincaid, Knox, Hawes, and Davidson are a pretty good unit. Not sure where they'd rank, but I'd say at least top half of the league with a lot of room for growth and improvement still.

 

So, a top 4-8 O-line, say a top 4-7 RB room, and at least a top 15 TE room and I'm to believe that Josh is doing it all on his own? And as so many have pointed out, when you look at weapons as a whole, rather than just WRs, Josh has plenty of weapons: Shakir, Palmer, Coleman, Samuel, Moore, Kincaid, Knox, Cook, Davis, Johnson. There may not be a super-stud in that group, but that's 10 very good players that I feel confident can get the job done (and most of them are young, in the up-swing of their careers, still with room to grow/improve).

 

Our TES and RBs accounted for 45% of our passing production last year and 43% of our passing TDs. And that wasn't out of desperation because we had no WRs...that is by design (everyone eats). We are not a traditional offense anymore because we have a unicorn QB who can read defenses, make all the throws, and has quick decision making. So, we scheme guys open and Josh spreads the ball around to the open man (who could be anyone). Or, in another way, you could say we are more traditional (throwback---as we ran the ball 49% last year). So, if we run 49% of the time, and 43% of our passing production goes to RBs and TEs, then our WRs are only accounting for about  22% of our total offensive production. So, how much money/resources should be spent on that position? How many stud WRs are going to be happy getting say 1/4th of 22% of the total offensive production. Even if you split the WR plays into only 3 WRs (rather than 5 or more), then each receiver is only averaging 4.4 receptions per game. We averaged only 13 pass completions per game to WRs last year. I don't think a stud receiver (who'll want 8-10 balls/game), in general, is going to be happy playing on a team like that. (Sure if you pick a rookie, they have no choice).

 

Now, I'm not saying that we don't need good receivers...as Beane said, you'd love to have All-Pros at every position. But, I can understand, at least, the idea of not overpaying the room (based on the amount of their overall production), or not paying for a stud FA WR who probably wouldn't be happy with the number of balls thrown to him, and who would cost way more than the amount of production he could provide in this offense. 

 

And again, with Amari. People chalk him up as a major loss to the WR room. But he only started 3 games, played only 21% of the total offensive snaps by the Bills last year, had less than 300 yards, and only 2 TDs. That amount of production is easily replaced. And let's face it, Amari is getting old, and he was dealing both with injuries and adapting to a new team/offense/QB mid-season. Let's not act like we had prime Amari Cooper all last year.

 

Hollins did play 66% of the offensive snaps, was a great blocker, and a bit of a spark plug. But production-wise, he only had 378 yards and 5 TDs (granted, some of those TDs were clutch).

 

Is there any reason to think Keon won't improve in his second year? Or Kincaid going into his third year? Is there any reason to think that (if all else stayed the same) Palmer and Moore combined can't match 675 yards and 7 TDs (the combined production of Hollins and Cooper last year)? I personally think that Palmer is a pretty decent upgrade from Hollins. And Moore alone, if given the chance, should at least be able to give us what Amari did (21% snaps, 297 yards, 2 TDs). I mean, it's not a high ceiling to reach just to stay even with last year. I just don't see a down grade.

 

And Clutch doesn't have to come from only your WRs. How many times was Bruce Smith clutch coming up with a sack or strip sack at just the right moment. How many times did Tre come up clutch early in his career with a key turnover in the 4th quarter at a crucial moment, etc. Clutch can come from many places, not just the WR room.

 

And finally, [sorry this is so long] BADOL, it feels like sometimes you have anti-Bills googles on. Meaning you see all of our flaws, but act as if other teams don't also have their flaws. I mean, to say Worthy was rapidly ascending before the AFC Championship game and Super Bowl? In his last 8 games played before the playoffs (not counting week 17 when he sat out), he averaged 50 yards and 0.375 TDs per game. Across the full season, he averaged 40 yards and 0.375 TDs per game. If those were Keon Coleman stats, you would be railing about how bad he is, not calling him an ascending player. And as far as the playoffs are concerned, in the AFC Championship game, if you take away the catch that wasn't a catch, he had 59 yards and 1 TD. In the Super Bowl, all of his production came in garbage time. When he made his first big catch, there was only 2:33 left in the 3rd quarter and the Eagles were already up 34-6. Prior to that catch (in the bulk of the first 3 quarters, when it counted), Worthy had 2 receptions for 9 yards, and 0 TDs. I'm not sold on Worthy yet, and I'm not down on Keon. Not sure, why you are so firmly the other way.

Very, very well stated

[HaldimandBills]

3 hours ago, finn said:

My counter is that the offense wasn't good enough in the playoffs last, so it stands to reason it won't be enough this year, given what little Beane has changed (let's assume that, yes, some players will improve but others will disappoint or get injured, as happens most every year). Last year, it got bailed out by the defense against Baltimore and failed on its final drive with the game on the line. 

 

In other words, does it matter that the offense didn't turn the ball over and scored lots of points if they keep losing in the playoffs? We're so used to blaming the defense that we forget that Diggs dropped that pass, Bass missed that field goal, Dawkins missed that block, Kincaid didn't make that kick, and pretty much no one showed up against the Bengals. The facts are plain: The offense hasn't been good enough. 

How can anyone say this with a straight face? At what point is the offense good enough? When they score 40/50 points?

 

The offense has done more than enough to win a Superbowl. Watching our offense in the playoffs has been a high stakes affair.  Not because it is the playoffs but because every Bills fan including yourself knows the defense is not going to get a stop. Doesn't matter if it's the 1st or 4th quarter. Between the Ravens and Chiefs the Bills didn't have a single 4 and out. Good defenses don't rely on turnover luck. Would be nice to be able to breath on offense knowing if they don't convert the defense can actually manage a stop. 

 

Any rational Bills fan has to be happy that Beane is finally throwing real weight at the secondary and DL. No more 4th wave budget free agency signings on the DL and no more slower unathletic 6th and 7th round dbs starting because they get the system and trusted the process.

 

How can anyone who watched the Rams and Lions game come away thinking the offense is the issue? The Bills literally couldn't do anything more offensively and still lost one of those games and gave up 35 in the other. 

 

The Bills play offense like a team who has no faith in their defense, and they shouldn't. 

 

You gave Allen a top 5 OL, top 10 RB room, above avg TE room and a good mix of skills at receiver. 

 

On defense you have budget signing Free Agents and late round draft picks across the board. Pretty clear which group needed the attention this offseason. 

[Mat68]

Buffalo brought in the highest rated FA wr.  Palmer is a superior route runner and outside option than what they had last season.  Top pick a year ago Coleman is getting an enhanced role and they expect alot from him.  Shakir has steadily improved every year.  Being looked at as the number 1 I think 120 targets gets him in the 1000 yards 100 range.  They have made moves in the wr room.  It’s not 2018 bad I think it will be better than 24 and 2019.