Giants are releasing QB Daniel Jones (future backup to Josh Allen)

[Rubes]

  On 11/22/2024 at 4:52 PM, boyst said:

he has won 9 games

 

Jones 24

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I was kind of thinking Sam Bradford myself, but then your post reminded me...

 

[MJS]

  On 11/22/2024 at 4:46 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:

There has never been a player paid more for what little they actually achieved than Jones. 

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Sam Bradford. That dude was a highway robber in the NFL. He fleeced the NFL for $129 million. Jones is only at about $72 million in career earnings, according to over the cap.

[WotAGuy]

What are the cap ramifications of releasing him now?

[Don Otreply]

  On 11/22/2024 at 4:40 PM, Cash said:

 

That's a new one for me.  Could you translate to American?

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I’m just guessing here…, but I suspect it’s, he shot his wad, but I could be off base 🤣

[Cash]

  On 11/22/2024 at 4:41 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

spat out his pacifier? Is that what you'd call it? The thing you give a baby to suck?

 

Spat his dummy, means thrown a childish tantrum essentially. 

 

Yea, he spat his dummy. 

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Thanks!  Makes total sense.  I've heard a lot of nicknames for pacifiers but hadn't heard that one before.

 

  On 11/22/2024 at 4:43 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

I think the owner was the driving force behind it. Not absolving the coach and GM from blame because the owner wanted Saquan back too and they went against his wishes but from everything you hear out of there the owner was all in on Jones. 

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Yeah, I think 99% of the time franchise QB decisions go to the owner of the team.  What I'd be curious to know is how much flexibility Schoen et al actually had.  Could there have been a scenario where they re-signed Jones, but to a smaller deal that gave the team more flexibility in case he continued being Daniel Jones?  Did they have the freedom to let his agent negotiate with other teams and try to match?  Stuff like that.

 

  On 11/22/2024 at 4:52 PM, boyst said:

he has won 9 games

 

Jones 24

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Yeah, Dimes was certainly overpaid, but he's not even close to the top.  Osweiler was another one as mentioned above, and JaMarcus Russell immediately came to mind as well. 

[MJS]

  On 11/22/2024 at 4:56 PM, Rubes said:

I was kind of thinking Sam Bradford myself, but then your post reminded me...

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Yeah, Watson is the new poster boy for sure. But with inflation, it might still be Bradford. He was one of the last to come into the league before the rookie wage scale, so he was hugely paid from day 1.

[ColoradoBills]

Remember the draft when the Giants took Daniel Jones.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 22, 2024 by ColoradoBills

[JerseyBills]

Radio will be fun on drive home, Almost feel bad for the Jests fans, do feel for the Gmen fans, like their franchise and fan base 

[finn]

  On 11/22/2024 at 4:56 PM, Don Otreply said:

Agree, he was a bad draft pick, had minor success and his re-signing was total buffoonery move on behalf of their GM & HC , 

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They convinced themselves he was their Josh Allen. Letting him walk would have been a courageous move, but it would have been the right one. 

[Sojourner]

  On 11/22/2024 at 5:00 PM, Cash said:

 

Thanks!  Makes total sense.  I've heard a lot of nicknames for pacifiers but hadn't heard that one before.

 

 

Yeah, I think 99% of the time franchise QB decisions go to the owner of the team.  What I'd be curious to know is how much flexibility Schoen et al actually had.  Could there have been a scenario where they re-signed Jones, but to a smaller deal that gave the team more flexibility in case he continued being Daniel Jones?  Did they have the freedom to let his agent negotiate with other teams and try to match?  Stuff like that.

 

 

Yeah, Dimes was certainly overpaid, but he's not even close to the top.  Osweiler was another one as mentioned above, and JaMarcus Russell immediately came to mind as well. 

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Russell was over drafted, I put him in a separate class given he didn’t even play out his rookie contract. 

[MJS]

  On 11/22/2024 at 5:00 PM, Cash said:

Yeah, Dimes was certainly overpaid, but he's not even close to the top.  Osweiler was another one as mentioned above, and JaMarcus Russell immediately came to mind as well. 

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Osweiler made $41 million in the NFL. Russell made about $40 million. Sam Bradford's $129 million takes the cake, I think.

[eball]

  On 11/22/2024 at 4:46 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:

Dawson Knox = overpaid backup TE/ friend of Josh 

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Bad take.

 

[Sojourner]

  On 11/22/2024 at 5:02 PM, finn said:

They convinced themselves he was their Josh Allen. Letting him walk would have been a courageous move, but it would have been the right one. 

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Given the way contracts are for QBs, what they ended up paying him and what would have been the salary for his fifth year option, they should have picked it up and have him play it out instead of putting Al their stock on even more hope he morphs into a top player at his position. 

[HansLanda]

  On 11/22/2024 at 4:57 PM, WotAGuy said:

What are the cap ramifications of releasing him now?

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Looks like whatever else they owe him this year, and $22.2M in deadcap next. 

[MJS]

  On 11/22/2024 at 5:02 PM, finn said:

They convinced themselves he was their Josh Allen. Letting him walk would have been a courageous move, but it would have been the right one. 

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If they thought Daniel Jones is anything like Josh Allen, that is criminal. Jones is mediocre at just about everything.

[Process]

The scout team safety thing is wild. You have to just release him at that point. 

[ColoradoBills]

  On 11/22/2024 at 5:04 PM, MJS said:

Osweiler made $41 million in the NFL. Russell made about $40 million. Sam Bradford's $129 million takes the cake, I think.

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That money back then was criminal.

[finn]

  On 11/22/2024 at 5:05 PM, Sojourner said:

Given the way contracts are for QBs, what they ended up paying him and what would have been the salary for his fifth year option, they should have picked it up and have him play it out instead of putting Al their stock on even more hope he morphs into a top player at his position. 

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Play it out or trade him when his stock was highest, at the beginning of that fifth year. I don't recall any team having the foresight to pull off this kind of move. I thought Arizona should have traded Kyler Murray at the same point. I still stand by that judgment, given that haul they could have gotten for him and (I think) how unlikely it is he will take the team to the Super Bowl. 

[Big Turk]

Guess he didn't do a great job of playing scout team safety. Bum.

[HansLanda]

  On 11/22/2024 at 5:08 PM, ColoradoBills said:

 

That money back then was criminal.

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Truly. Bradford was the last draft class when they could get paid almost anything.