Legette vs. McConkey

[Lothar]

Coleman has no separation skills. That's not going to work for Allen. 

[behind a post WMS69]

5 hours ago, GerstAusGosheim said:

What an unfortunate variation of the Irish surname, McConaghy.

What an unfortunate variation of the Irish surname, McConaghy.

What an unfortunate variation of the Irish surname, McConaghy.

I repeat myself when under stress.

I repeat myself when under stress.

I repeat myself when under stress.

[Turk71]

Franklin is the guy. 

He's a really good route runner, clever and deceptive with his breaks. He's a smart football player with great instincts who excels in the open field and on extended, broken plays. Just turned 21 and his frame is still thin, but he beat press man coverage consistently at an elite yprr rate, best in the class I believe. His top end speed is a marvel to witness. 

  None of the guys outside of the top 3 have consistently produced on the field like Franklin has, and none of them match his combined metrics in multiple yprr categories.

https://www.pff.com/news/fantasy-football-how-2024-nfl-drafts-wide-receiver-class-stacks-up-using-key-stable-metrics   He was also a top 3 recruit coming out of high school in '21, ranked higher than Nabers, Odunze,  Harrison, Thomas, Mitchell, Legette, Worthy, McConkey, etc when they were recruited.

This guy is a really good, smart football player with instincts and top end speed you can't teach. 

 I think he can contribute immediately and I would definitely take him over McConkey or Legette.

 

Edited April 23 by Turk71

[gjv]

I have concerns that Legette will have difficulty getting separation in the NFL. To me, he's a field stretcher worthy of a third-round selection. 

[OldTimer1960]

5 hours ago, BabyBills said:

Unless we run exclusively 12-personnel, we need to prioritize a WR who can line up on the LOS and beat press coverage.  Unfortunately, I don't think McConkey or Legette are it.  If we want a McConkey-type (crisp route runner who can separate), I'm leaning toward Ricky Pearsall.  His win-rate vs. press coverage appears to be much better than that of McConkey, though still average.  That, and his presence would give us 3 WRs who could play each of the WR positions, even if none can play the X exceptionally well.

 

Javon Baker seems to be great against press, so he too could be the X.  I think he could be gone before we pick in round 2 though, and I'm not sure if he has the absolute talent to justify a round 1 selection.

I think Baker will very likely be available at 60.  

[OldTimer1960]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

I would like one of the McConkey fans to tell me, who is the comp player for his ceiling? Legette I can say it's AJ Brown. McConkey I can't think of anyone with his skill set that became a truly elite WR. Maybe Stefon Diggs but if that's the ceiling it's not good enough. We need someone that has the potential to dominate in the playoffs.

That’s what they need, but I don’t see a prospects that is in reasonable trade range that is a guaranteed playoff dominator.

[OldTimer1960]

28 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

Franklin is the guy. 

He's a really good route runner, clever and deceptive with his breaks. He's a smart football player with great instincts who excels in the open field and on extended, broken plays. Just turned 21 and his frame is still thin, but he beat press man coverage consistently at an elite yprr rate, best in the class I believe. His top end speed is a marvel to witness. 

  None of the guys outside of the top 3 have consistently produced on the field like Franklin has, and none of them match his combined metrics in multiple yprr categories.

https://www.pff.com/news/fantasy-football-how-2024-nfl-drafts-wide-receiver-class-stacks-up-using-key-stable-metrics   He was also a top 3 recruit coming out of high school in '21, ranked higher than Nabers, Odunze,  Harrison, Thomas, Mitchell, Legette, Worthy, McConkey, etc when they were recruited.

This guy is a really good, smart football player with instincts and top end speed you can't teach. 

 I think he can contribute immediately and I would definitely take him over McConkey or Legette.

 

I’m getting the feeling that Franklin could be around near pick 60.  Daniel Jeremiah seems to have some connections to teams and in his last top 150 he has Moved Franklin way down to 76.  I know that doesn’t make him right, but he had him a lot higher before - it seems like he got some intel that teams were less enamored with him.

[MarlinTheMagician]

6 hours ago, Chaos said:

The reason to draft WRs or edge rusher early is to get players who can contribute immediately on their first contract. That is McConkey among these two. Honestly, I am hoping Jackson Powers-Johnson falls to 28 and we sure up the center position for a decade.  

Would not hate this.  There are a few non-receivers I would sure like to have on five year deals. 

 

The problem is when I do mocks (and I have done an embarrassing number on every simulator), there are no wideouts I want left by 60 save Roman Wilson and Piersall -- and those two are there only some of the time.  If we go non-WR in the first, unless we move up I think we step down in class to people I like, but don't like enough - Thrash, Baker, Malik Washington, Rice, McCaffrey.  I am fine with all of those, but not as the best wideout we get from this draft.  I think we need a receiver #1 - it is a premium position and the talent is there to lock up a good one on a cheap five year deal.  

6 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

McConkey over Legette.  Legette doesn't have it upstairs.

 

I'm leaning Worthy over both though.  Worthy has elite speed (obviously) and has played the position for years.  He brings a skill set that could very well make defenses play us in a slightly different fashion that opens up the rest of the field.

 

Tempting, but he is built like a walking stick.  Have you seen photos of his legs?  Look like wrists!

6 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

McConkey gets a lot of love on this forum, and rightfully so, but can someone please explain how he’d fit in with Shakir and Kincaid? I ask as a legitimate question I’d be interested in hearing feedback on. I don’t understand how we’d use him without taking away from those guys. McConkey as a Buffalo Bill makes no sense to me. 

The best explanation I heard -- and maybe it was Marino - is that what counts is separation.  If they are all separators, some similarity should not be a detriment.  

[Turk71]

57 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I’m getting the feeling that Franklin could be around near pick 60.  Daniel Jeremiah seems to have some connections to teams and in his last top 150 he has Moved Franklin way down to 76.  I know that doesn’t make him right, but he had him a lot higher before - it seems like he got some intel that teams were less enamored with him.

His stock definitely took a hit at the combine....but the relatively polished skills and elite performance metrics are still there. 

I think he would be an absolute steal at the end of round 2.

[Chaos]

5 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

Would not hate this.  There are a few non-receivers I would sure like to have on five year deals. 

 

The problem is when I do mocks (and I have done an embarrassing number on every simulator), there are no wideouts I want left by 60 save Roman Wilson and Piersall -- and those two are there only some of the time.  If we go non-WR in the first, unless we move up I think we step down in class to people I like, but don't like enough - Thrash, Baker, Malik Washington, Rice, McCaffrey.  I am fine with all of those, but not as the best wideout we get from this draft.  I think we need a receiver #1 - it is a premium position and the talent is there to lock up a good one on a cheap five year deal.  

Tempting, but he is built like a walking stick.  Have you seen photos of his legs?  Look like wrists!

The best explanation I heard -- and maybe it was Marino - is that what counts is separation.  If they are all separators, some similarity should not be a detriment.  

Shakir demonstrated competence but it is not like he he is copper cupp or Wes Welker in his prime.  if McConkey beats him out,

I t is a good position to upgrade.  

[harmonkillebrew]

Legette reminds me of AJ Brown. I'd take that any day, but in this draft we can probably trade back and still get him

[Dr. Who]

22 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Shakir demonstrated competence but it is not like he he is copper cupp or Wes Welker in his prime.  if McConkey beats him out,

I t is a good position to upgrade.  

It's been explained quite a bit, but McConkey lined up on the outside close to 80% of the snaps. Folks who are painting him as a gritty slot receiver are mistaken. He's the best route runner in the draft and faster than I think many folks imagine. He'd be a great pick at #28.

 

I like these fella's rankings. If you go to the 46 minute mark, they make the case for McConkey.  

 

 

Edited April 23 by Dr. Who

[Chaos]

8 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

It's been explained quite a bit, but McConkey lined up on the outside close to 80% of the snaps. Folks who are painting him as a gritty slot receiver are mistaken. He's the best route runner in the draft and faster than I think many folks imagine. He'd be a great pick at #28.

 

I like these fella's rankings. If you go to the 46 minute mark, they make the case for McConkey.  

 

 

If the pick in the first is a WR it will be dissident they can’t make major contributions next season.  It seems like a losing strategy to use first round picks that need development.  

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I’m getting the feeling that Franklin could be around near pick 60.

 

I've considered this as well. Last year I liked Jalin Hyatt as a potential 1st round pick for us and instead he went in the 3rd. WRs with that sort of frame tend to fall further than draftniks predict.

[SirAndrew]

20 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

It's been explained quite a bit, but McConkey lined up on the outside close to 80% of the snaps. Folks who are painting him as a gritty slot receiver are mistaken. He's the best route runner in the draft and faster than I think many folks imagine. He'd be a great pick at #28.

 

I like these fella's rankings. If you go to the 46 minute mark, they make the case for McConkey.  

 

 

I just watched McConkey’s college highlights, and can’t stop seeing a slightly versatile slot receiver. I want to see what others are seeing, but I don’t get it. The college highlights look strikingly similar to a Kincaid, Shakir, Samuel type player. We don’t have a need for that. I appreciate the fact he lined up on the outside, but that’s college. The NFL is a huge step up, and I don’t see a guy with the physicality to play on the outside consistently. Our greatest hope is finding a Metcalf, Lamb, or AJ Brown type player. Someone who can dominate physically, while giving Josh a downfield threat. I’m not saying you’re wrong, I just struggle seeing this in McConkey. He looks like a slot receiver twig figure running down the field. 

Edited April 23 by SirAndrew

[Estro]

12 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I've considered this as well. Last year I liked Jalin Hyatt as a potential 1st round pick for us and instead he went in the 3rd. WRs with that sort of frame tend to fall further than draftniks predict.

I agree. If there was an over/under posted on Troy Franklin I would bet the over if his draft position was set at 59.5.  I think he may be available into the 3rd round. His lack of any physicality seems to be a problem for evaluators

[Orlando Tim]

3 hours ago, Brandon said:

 

There are significant concerns about Coleman's speed and ability to gain separation on the outside in the NFL,  and that's been the biggest need on the Bills offense.  He probably fits best as a power slot guy,  but the Bills drafted Kincaid for that role last year.  

 

If they take a speed/separation guy at 28 and Coleman is there at 60,  I wouldn't be opposed to taking a chance on him.  

Those are all valid points, we do need a outside guy more so I will state Legette or we can try and move up for someone who could be special.

[Dr. Who]

38 minutes ago, Chaos said:

If the pick in the first is a WR it will be dissident they can’t make major contributions next season.  It seems like a losing strategy to use first round picks that need development.  

McConkey is absolutely a volume receiver year one. You don't know what you are talking about. Also, I don't think "dissident" means what you think it means.

[section122]

4 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

I just watched McConkey’s college highlights, and can’t stop seeing a slightly versatile slot receiver. I want to see what others are seeing, but I don’t get it. The college highlights look strikingly similar to a Kincaid, Shakir, Samuel type player. We don’t have a need for that. I appreciate the fact he lined up on the outside, but that’s college. The NFL is a huge step up, and I don’t see a guy with the physicality to play on the outside consistently. Our greatest hope is finding a Metcalf, Lamb, or AJ Brown type player. Someone who can dominate physically, while giving Josh a downfield threat. I’m not saying you’re wrong, I just struggle seeing this in McConkey. He looks like a slot receiver twig figure running down the field. 

 

You're not qwhite looking at the right thing.  It's qwhite easy to see why so many love ladd. /s

 

The biggest concern i have for mcconkey is his health.  He has been banged up or missed games each year.

 

I like Worthy as he is the guy in the 2nd tier with production and an elite trait.  I can talk myself into liking any of the wrs including mcconkey tho.  

[RyanC883]

10 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

This is a tough question for me. I’d love to answer “both.” Legette has the higher ceiling IMO. McConkey certainly has the higher floor. I think McConkey will be better in 2024 because he’s more refined at this point.
 

The answer is that you actually need BOTH of those skill sets still on this team. If forced to choose, I’ll say Legette because what he has is harder to teach. I can find a guy a little later, albeit smaller, but that also separates in Jacob Cowing. I think that it’s easier to find good footwork than it is to find that size/speed combination.

 

love the idea of Cowing.  Also like the Fla WR as a 2nd round guy if we get Legette first.  I think Cowing may go earlier than some of the mock draft sims have him going.  I could see late 2nd, early 3rd.