lookylookyherecomescookie Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 13 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: So for the purposes of the 25 page conversation are you on team, “even if I had a billion dollars I wouldn’t spend $1 on a PSL” or team, “PSLs suck but that’s the way business is done in 2024?” If I valued the PSL at over $1.00, I would buy it. If I valued the PSL at less than $1.00, I wouldn't. You can substitute any $ amount you like into that sentence. So I guess I'm on neither team. Many factors can influence how I value something, but net worth is not one of them. Net worth certainly effects what I am able to buy, just not how I value something. I'm not trying to be difficult, just trying to describe someone else's world to you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 20 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Well to keep using your analogy you can choose not to get poked in the eye. Nobody is forcing someone to buy the PSL. If you want the team to stay in Buffalo this is the price you pay. It's the world we live in. No less than five other cities would take the Bills and their fans would willingly pay for the PSL. Cleveland and northeast Ohio is about to put up 500 million just to renovate their broken down stadium or get shilled for $1B or more to build a dome. Can't have it both ways. You want the team you have to pay. As for me I'm still going to get club level tix a few times a year and hit a couple away games a year. I still work too many weekends to justify season tix even if I'm only under 3 hours away now. 100% to this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 (edited) 4 hours ago, lookylookyherecomescookie said: If I valued the PSL at over $1.00, I would buy it. If I valued the PSL at less than $1.00, I wouldn't. You can substitute any $ amount you like into that sentence. So I guess I'm on neither team. Many factors can influence how I value something, but net worth is not one of them. Net worth certainly effects what I am able to buy, just not how I value something. I'm not trying to be difficult, just trying to describe someone else's world to you. That’s a fresh perspective. You should meet up with Einstein, I think you two would hit it off. Edited March 31 by WotAGuy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 1 hour ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Well to keep using your analogy you can choose not to get poked in the eye. Nobody is forcing someone to buy the PSL. If you want the team to stay in Buffalo this is the price you pay. It's the world we live in. No less than five other cities would take the Bills and their fans would willingly pay for the PSL. Cleveland and northeast Ohio is about to put up 500 million just to renovate their broken down stadium or get shilled for $1B or more to build a dome. Can't have it both ways. You want the team you have to pay. As for me I'm still going to get club level tix a few times a year and hit a couple away games a year. I still work too many weekends to justify season tix even if I'm only under 3 hours away now. Good point. Cleveland stadium is only about 25 years old now as well. Rich/ Ralph/ New Era/ Highmark is over 50 years old. This is actually something that Buffalo should have went through about 20 years ago but managed to stave it off. The Bills have been in the old model NFL economy for 30 years longer than anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 38 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Well to keep using your analogy you can choose not to get poked in the eye. Not really... And definitely not if you live in Western NY. 1) You are being taxed for the stadium against your will. 2) Even if you only go to a few games per year (do not buy season tix), the resale tickets will be inflated proportionally to the PSL value. 38 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: If you want the team to stay in Buffalo this is the price you pay. It's the world we live in. This is a function of the owner. Some owners will pay for the stadium themselves AND not charge a PSL. See New England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 17 minutes ago, Einstein said: This is a function of the owner. Some owners will pay for the stadium themselves AND not charge a PSL. See New England. Well, it’s not surprising he gave away the farm - he was receiving a lot of manual stimulation that warped his thinking. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 1 hour ago, lookylookyherecomescookie said: If I valued the PSL at over $1.00, I would buy it. If I valued the PSL at less than $1.00, I wouldn't. You can substitute any $ amount you like into that sentence. So I guess I'm on neither team. Many factors can influence how I value something, but net worth is not one of them. Net worth certainly effects what I am able to buy, just not how I value something. I'm not trying to be difficult, just trying to describe someone else's world to you. Sure. This conversation is basically one or the other. It isn’t about net worth (in any way). It’s about PSLs and if we accept or reject them. No one likes them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 13 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Sure. This conversation is basically one or the other. It isn’t about net worth (in any way). It’s about PSLs and if we accept or reject them. No one likes them. Ticket agencies appear to - they factor in cost of paying for PSLs into ticket price and then charge markup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 9 minutes ago, Punching Bag said: Ticket agencies appear to - they factor in cost of paying for PSLs into ticket price and then charge markup. This is exactly why fans get poked in the eye regardless of whether they purchase a PSL or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 8 minutes ago, Punching Bag said: Ticket agencies appear to - they factor in cost of paying for PSLs into ticket price and then charge markup. Fair I should have said that no one likes them. Owners like PSLs. Ticketmaster, StubHub, etc.. love ticketing fees. It feels like they continue to go up too. You buy a $70 ticket and pay $30 in ticketing fees. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 5 minutes ago, Einstein said: This is exactly why fans get poked in the eye regardless of whether they purchase a PSL or not. I only get poked if I choose to get poked. I don’t see this as changing my habits at all. I’m not emotional about it, but it will just be a bit more expensive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Isn’t it funny that the person who gloated the most about their wealth is having the biggest issue with extra fees? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Isn’t it funny that the person who gloated the most about their wealth is having the biggest issue with extra fees? Ebenezer Scrooge was a very rich man and way he did it was making sure he paid as little as possible. 2 hours ago, WotAGuy said: Well, it’s not surprising he gave away the farm - he was receiving a lot of manual stimulation that warped his thinking. He also did it after Hartford backed out and his partners did as well. He recovered the money in costs of suites which is a lot easier to sell in Boston. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 2 minutes ago, Punching Bag said: Ebenezer Scrooge was a very rich man and way he did it was making sure he paid as little as possible. I know some incredibly wealthy people personally and I can vouch for their spending habits. They didn’t get wealthy by spending money. At least not on things like Bills tickets. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 16 hours ago, DieHardFan said: Not wondering, genius. Responding to @ProcessTruster re his concern that the stadium WILL be filled with resold tickets once PSLs are in effect. Probably difficult to understand what a poster is saying when you diarrah post responses to every comment made. I'm just reflecting what I've seen with my own eyes in other stadiums where the ticket prices are sky high on top of PSLs. The whole vibe is different. Home team fans looking sideways at 10s of thousands of opposition fans, it's weird. All bc PSL owners are dumping half their tickets each season. andthis will happen in the new stadium for sure. For example, all you had to do was watch the Leafs/Sabres game yesterday. Just llke that . that is what it will be like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 10 hours ago, mrags said: I know some incredibly wealthy people personally and I can vouch for their spending habits. They didn’t get wealthy by spending money. At least not on things like Bills tickets. Actually, you get wealthy by spending way less money than you take in. This is true no matter how much you make, and the earlier in life you learn that lesson the wealthier you will end up. If buying Bills tickets doesn’t impact that most basic of equations, you’ll be just fine. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 I’ve used to have two PSL’s for another team several years ago in the area I live. PSL’s are like owning a piece of real estate. It appreciates or depreciates depending on the team, market conditions, etc.. People are constantly putting them up for sale and/or buying them. When you buy or sell PSL’s a 3rd party who represents the team brokers the deal and its very official when the PSL gets transferred, then you own it for life until you decide to sell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saratoga Fan Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 14 hours ago, Punching Bag said: Ticket agencies appear to - they factor in cost of paying for PSLs into ticket price and then charge markup. Ticket agencies charge what the market will bear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 (edited) 14 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Isn’t it funny that the person who gloated the most about their wealth is having the biggest issue with extra fees? Most who have "considerable wealth" didn't get there by blindly and stupidly allowing themselves to get raped by businesses. They had a small business owner on the news here recently who has 8 box seats seasons, has had them for years. His ticket rep told him the PSL for him would be $400K, which his business could not afford. The owner asked if there was some kind of discount available and was told no. The choice was to pay or give up some or all of the seats. The rep did offer up the contact info for a place to take out a loan (from which I suspect the Bills get a kickback). That's what the NFL has come to, pricing themselves out of reach to blue collar fans. The NFL has shown its insatiable greed for some time now, but I (probably stupidly) was expecting more from a team in a blue collar town like Buffalo. 1 hour ago, Saratoga Fan said: Ticket agencies charge what the market will bear. As do the teams themselves. Bottom line, if you don't like it don't pay. That's all the NFL cares about quite frankly, when it affects their bottom line. Edited March 31 by CodeMonkey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 (edited) 15 hours ago, Punching Bag said: Ebenezer Scrooge was a very rich man and way he did it was making sure he paid as little as possible. Yeah that was an odd post by Royale. He clearly does not know many wealthy people. The billionaire Pegula’s even implied to PSE employees making likely $60k per year that they would be fired (to save money) before the Pegula’s would let their family life (vacations, etc) be hampered. Edited March 31 by Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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