PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion

[GottaRun]

1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said:

@Rochesterfan @GottaRun, you guys think the PSL is going to be a lot lower than that for the cheap seats? 

Lower than $15 - $20K? Yes
Lower than $6K Yes

Write down the sites that are telling you the prices will be that high or higher... then abandon getting info from those sites when their "sources" and "info" turn out to be garbage.  

[Jrb1979]

2 minutes ago, GottaRun said:

Lower than $15 - $20K? Yes
Lower than $6K Yes

Write down the sites that are telling you the prices will be that high or higher... then abandon getting info from those sites when their "sources" and "info" turn out to be garbage.  

You actually think it's going to be $1k  to $2k for those seats?

[GottaRun]

8 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

You actually think it's going to be $1k  to $2k for those seats?

As a PSL - Yes I think there will be cheap seats within that range.  

I think people respond to rage on social media, so rage based posts and articles get more clicks and attention.  Bills posts about the common fan, the Mafia, getting priced out by insane PSLs is just a way to get attention.  

Ultimately this is all the Bills fault for not releasing the info, we're all left with playing a guessing game.
 

Edited March 29 by GottaRun

[Kirby Jackson]

10 minutes ago, GottaRun said:

As a PSL - Yes I think there will be cheap seats within that range.  

I think people respond to rage on social media, so rage based posts and articles get more clicks and attention.  Bills posts about the common fan, the Mafia, getting priced out by insane PSLs is just a way to get attention.  

Ultimately this is all the Bills fault for not releasing the info, we're all left with playing a guessing game.
 

I agree with this. I think the reason for holding off on releasing the rest is because they may fluctuate some depending on what’s selling now. As an example, maybe they are debating between 10,000 seats at $1500 vs. $2000? Maybe they are debating 10,000 seats between $5000 and $7500? The overwhelming majority of PSLs will cost the PSL holder less than $100 a month, after financing fees, for the 10 years. Some may be as little as $15 a month. 

[papazoid]

Bills' potential PSL prices for new stadium range from $500 to $16,500

 

" Pegula Sports & Entertainment Exec VP Ron Raccuia said that the Bills "will most likely have the lowest personal seat license prices of any team with a new stadium" built since '09 and are "making an effort to keep prices market-friendly" (BUFFALO NEWS, 5/12).

 

 

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Issues/2022/05/12/Franchises/Bills.aspx

Edited March 29 by papazoid

[Jrb1979]

5 minutes ago, papazoid said:

Bills' potential PSL prices for new stadium range from $500 to $16,500

 

 

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Issues/2022/05/12/Franchises/Bills.aspx

That article is over a year old now. The high end is much higher than the speculated $16,500.  I see the low end being much higher than $500. I see it closer to $2500 of higher. 

 

[papazoid]

1 minute ago, Jrb1979 said:

That article is over a year old now. The high end is much higher than the speculated $16,500.  I see the low end being much higher than $500. I see it closer to $2500 of higher. 

 

 

imo.....in order to save face....it's highly likely "some" PSL's will be $1,000

[BillsPride12]

I mean a $1000-$2000 PSL isn't expensive by any means and I could easily afford it without a sweat but for me there's a principle involved at stake too as someone who has pretty good seats in the 100 level currently.  I just can't justify paying more money to go sit in the nosebleeds for a more watered down gameday experience.  I may be in a unique position(or not so unique from a lot of commentary I'm seeing here and other places) where I am just getting sick of the NFL in general and looking forward to taking a step back.  It all comes down to personal choices how bad do you want to be there and at what cost.  For me the desire just isn't there anymore.  

[Jrb1979]

34 minutes ago, papazoid said:

 

imo.....in order to save face....it's highly likely "some" PSL's will be $1,000

Guaranteed those will be in the upper corners far away from the field. 

[WotAGuy]

36 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

Guaranteed those will be in the upper corners far away from the field. 

But they will be under cover!  It sounds like the seats not under cover will be the lower bowl, about halfway from top of that section down to field level. If it plays out the way the Bills have suggested, the cheapest seats will have cover. 
 

 

Edited March 29 by WotAGuy

[Tenhigh]

On 3/27/2024 at 10:14 PM, RiotAct said:

does it, though?

To me it does.  I always viewed PSLs as the right to buy tickets. Seems like the Bills may want to buy them back to sell at a higher rate for stadium upgrades down to line.

[Einstein]

5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Aren't you raking in profits from your investment in Disney?   Disney also charges whatever the market will bear for their products........their profit margins are not based on what's fair.

 

Did you buy when I told you to? If you did, you’re up over 40%!
 

5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

I'm not trying to pick on you here.   I enjoy your posts typically but you have a very "new money" idea of how capitalism works.

 

There are going to be 40K+ people in that new stadium every week that contributed between $0 in taxes and the NYS share.......which is literally an ineffectual pittance in construction cost terms.    

 

The PSL matter is really just a stand alone price gouge.   Like paying an extra $200 per person or whatever it is to get in the "fast" lines on your Disney stay. 

 

Im not arguing for or against PSL’s. Im not telling anyone not to buy them.

 

Im not sure how to say this more clearly…
 

Im simply arguing that PSL’s are not the “norm” in business. 

[PBF81]

2 hours ago, papazoid said:

Bills' potential PSL prices for new stadium range from $500 to $16,500

 

" Pegula Sports & Entertainment Exec VP Ron Raccuia said that the Bills "will most likely have the lowest personal seat license prices of any team with a new stadium" built since '09 and are "making an effort to keep prices market-friendly" (BUFFALO NEWS, 5/12).

 

 

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Issues/2022/05/12/Franchises/Bills.aspx

 

That's dated two years ago.

 

According to reports they're already well over that.

 

The Survey is all we have to go on for now but if I recall correctly the lower PSLs were $900/$1,000.

 

Mostly upper EZs and corners.  Remember, the new stadium will be about the same height all the way around unlike the corner one. So when they say Upper EZs they mean same height as our current UDs.

 

I also don't recall any of those having heat although some may have cover.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Did you buy when I told you to? If you did, you’re up over 40%!
 

 

Im not arguing for or against PSL’s. Im not telling anyone not to buy them.

 

Im not sure how to say this more clearly…
 

Im simply arguing that PSL’s are not the “norm” in business. 

 

Doesn't matter what you say, critics will disregard any context and argue based upon what they want your position to be.  

 

🤔😁

 

 

[Einstein]

8 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

You’re trying WAY too hard to differentiate “fees” from “PSLs.”

 

They are different. 
 

You are attempting to equate two different charges as the same. 

 

As I’ve said before, to make a comparison to a PSL in the Bills situation, you must use a comparable product that:

 

1) Is taxpayer funded for the benefit of the originating organization.  

2) AND an extra fee is charged that goes into the coffers of the originating organization.

3) AND the originating organization pockets the ticket money.

 

Ticket fees meet only ONE of those three items.

 

8 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I have a master’s in sports business and spent almost a decade working in pro sports on the business side. I’ve worked directly on arena lease agreements and funding deals. I understand the topic WAY better than most. 

 

Let’s not get into a genitalia measuring contest. It’s not gentlemenly and no-one wants to read that type of discussion. Besides, one of us is Google’able. Only one of us has articles written about them on Yahoo Finance and Business Insider. The other is you (wink).

 

8 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Any EXTRA fees associated with purchasing a ticket is akin to a PSL. That “right to buy a ticket fee” may just go to TM or Stubhub as opposed to the owner offsetting the cost.

 

As I’ve said before, to make a comparison to a PSL in the Bills situation, you must use a product that:

 

1) The venue was paid for by taxpayers for the benefit of the originating organization.  

2) AND an extra fee was charged that goes into the coffers of the originating organization.

3) AND the originating organization pockets the ticket money.

 

Ticket fees meet only ONE of those three items.

 

8 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

You’re trying too hard to be angry or knowledgeable.

 

I’m not angry at all.

 

8 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

With all of this outrage

 

There is no outrage. I’m not upset at all. I’m simply explaining that PSL’s are not common in business (outside of sports).

 

You continuously try to divert this conversation into an arena it was never intended to be in.

Edited March 29 by Einstein

[LabattBlue]

Not a fan of the County Executive, but good that he spoke up against this secretive process…

 

 

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/poloncarz-angry-at-bills-lack-of-transparency-with-season-ticket-holders-over-psls/article_7f472d36-ede8-11ee-9ee3-e3329259e090.html

[Einstein]

5 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Doesn't matter what you say, critics will disregard any context and argue based upon what they want your position to be.  

 

🤔😁

 

 

Yes. So much information being skimmed and disregarded in order to move the conversation into a territory it was never originated to be in. This thread is a microcosm of the world.

 

Person A: Tomatoes are a fruit.

 

Person B: Ugh, but Apples are a red fruit and they don’t taste like tomatoes.

 

Person A: Okay? But we aren’t talking about Apples, we are talking about Tomatoes.

 

Person B: So you don’t like Tomatoes

 

Person A: I never said that. I just said they’re a fruit.

 

Person B: I’m a botanist, I have a degree in seeds, why are you so angry?

 

Person A: I’m not angry. I’m just telling you that Tomatoes are a fruit.

 

Person B:  What is your issue with tomatoes!?!?

 

Person A: Huh!? (this is where I am now)

[BarleyNY]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Said differently,”the money could be spent adding value to my home. I need to resurface the driveway and pool area.” Those same dollars will pay for my 2 PSLs. I’m not taking away from any necessities or strong “wants.” I’m electing to purchase these PSLs and waiting on the driveway. These are the types of decisions that many of us will make. People aren’t deciding between food and PSLs but they may be deciding between a vacation and PSLs. They are going to take up a portion of discretionary income that none of us have ever committed. 
 

 

Having season tickets for an NFL team - or even simply attending an NFL game - is a luxury. If people want to spend their money on that, that’s great. If they don't and would rather spend it on a vacation or a pool or save or invest it, then that is great too. To each their own. 

Edited March 29 by BarleyNY

[PBF81]

5 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Yes. So much information being skimmed and disregarded in order to move the conversation into a territory it was never originated to be in. This thread is a microcosm of the world.

 

Person A: Tomatoes are a fruit.

 

Person B: Ugh, but Apples are a red fruit and they don’t taste like tomatoes.

 

Person A: Okay? But we aren’t talking about Apples, we are talking about Tomatoes.

 

Person B: So you don’t like Tomatoes

 

Person A: I never said that. I just said they’re a fruit.

 

Person B: I’m a botanist, I have a degree in seeds, why are you so angry?

 

Person A: I’m not angry. I’m just telling you that Tomatoes are a fruit.

 

Person B:  What is your issue with tomatoes!?!?

 

Person A: Huh!? (this is where I am now)

 

LMAO

 

You nailed that!

 

 

[papazoid]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Yes. So much information being skimmed and disregarded in order to move the conversation into a territory it was never originated to be in. This thread is a microcosm of the world.

 

Person A: Tomatoes are a fruit.

 

Person B: Ugh, but Apples are a red fruit and they don’t taste like tomatoes.

 

Person A: Okay? But we aren’t talking about Apples, we are talking about Tomatoes.

 

Person B: So you don’t like Tomatoes

 

Person A: I never said that. I just said they’re a fruit.

 

Person B: I’m a botanist, I have a degree in seeds, why are you so angry?

 

Person A: I’m not angry. I’m just telling you that Tomatoes are a fruit.

 

Person B:  What is your issue with tomatoes!?!?

 

Person A: Huh!? (this is where I am now)

 

so, back to the personal store license (PSL) required, in order to buy these tomatoes

[Aimee75]

I am seeing a number of people saying that this could be an out for The Bills, that if the seats don't sell, there is probably a clause that could get them out of Buffalo. Thoughts on this?

 

It's exhausting constantly worrying about this.