Just Jack Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 The Vikings also did the new stadium center when selling their new stadium seats, here is one person's article about it... Signing The Minnesota Vikings PSL Agreements (thevikingage.com) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Just Jack said: The Vikings also did the new stadium center when selling their new stadium seats, here is one person's article about it... Signing The Minnesota Vikings PSL Agreements (thevikingage.com) I stand corrected. The Vikings too. I didn’t find any info on this when I looked. The Vikings however publicly announced prices for PSL’s without having to go to the timeshare presentation. They didn’t hide it. The presentation was just to buy the PSL you already knew the price of. Edited April 7 by Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 1 hour ago, Einstein said: Yes you were an early adopter of that analogy. You saw what many others couldn’t, and some still can’t, likely because you work directly in architecture and understand what is normal and what is not. You were able to understand very quickly that what the Bills are doing is not normal. I think you pose an excellent question of whether price or presentation is the problem. While a fool and their money are soon parted, I do believe it is a mixture of price and presentation and roll-out. The team created no hype, released very little in the way of renderings, require a timeshare style presentation, and THEN expect people to pay thousands of dollars on top of it. It was a poor plan. The “plan” is in its infancy and it remains to be seen if it’s good or bad. If the Bills achieve their desired PSL sales goal, then it can only be viewed as successful. The fact that some are rankled by the process so far has little bearing on whether or not it will be successful. As far as not being normal, is that simply because it’s never been done before? If so, there are other adjectives that apply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Opinions of people who haven’t been to the presentation are fine, but @Mr Info gave a first hand account that is very different than the opinions of outsiders. So, take it for what it’s worth. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 11 minutes ago, K-9 said: If the Bills achieve their desired PSL sales goal, then it can only be viewed as successful.. Successful for the billionaire owner, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 5 minutes ago, Einstein said: Successful for the billionaire owner, yes. These multifaceted discussions are challenging in a chat room format. I’ve never said this is good or bad for the ‘billionaire’ and I’m definitely not anti-billionaire. My point has always been that is a terribly deceptive form of sales. There are lots of ways to sell products and services. This particular one is famous for being less than open about the true costs. I’m not a big fan of the tactic….and I don’t think it’s necessary to sell tickets for a historically beloved football team to a historically loyal fan base. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 7 minutes ago, Einstein said: Successful for the billionaire owner, yes. Sometimes capitalism can be a b.i.t.c.h. I guess. I’ve been lamenting the pricing out of the middle class for years now, but that genie is out of the bottle and there’s no putting it back unless the consumer market forces economic changes. And we just aren’t dissatisfied enough to do that currently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 11 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: These multifaceted discussions are challenging in a chat room format. I’ve never said this is good or bad for the ‘billionaire’ and I’m definitely not anti-billionaire. My point has always been that is a terribly deceptive form of sales. There are lots of ways to sell products and services. This particular one is famous for being less than open about the true costs. I’m not a big fan of the tactic….and I don’t think it’s necessary to sell tickets for a historically beloved football team to a historically loyal fan base. I think they had to go this route. If they released all the different prices they would have a harder time selling the higher priced ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 5 hours ago, Einstein said: Just FYI - You have not paid PSL’s for your current seats. The Bills do not have PSL’s at the current stadium. Not in the clubs or anywhere else. You’ve said this a lot so I called the Bills ticket office last week to ask, and they confirmed that no-one has ever paid a PSL at the current stadium. Well. As a STH I can tell you that you are in fact incorrect. I have written documentation to prove it. Maybe you should just stick to arguing things you actually know about. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jukester Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 From the Facebook discussion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 2 hours ago, Just Jack said: I have the feeling that several people that post regularly in this thread do not have seasons of any type, and just like to argue. They like to act like they know everything for a fact as well 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Just snag a ticket on the secondary market. you'll never be "priced out"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 34 minutes ago, Jukester said: From the Facebook discussion So for ‘ just’ $30,000 more you get free food and drinks? No thanks. I’ll pack a lunch from home. 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 39 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Just snag a ticket on the secondary market. you'll never be "priced out"... Better yet, grab a PSL when the Bills cut the price in half - or when someone sells it on the resale market for penny's on the dollar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 8 minutes ago, Einstein said: Better yet, grab a PSL when the Bills cut the price in half - or when someone sells it on the resale market for penny's on the dollar. For someone who is not at all emotional about this, you are quite persistent. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Just now, Augie said: For someone who is not at all emotional about this, you are quite persistent. I don't see the correlation you're drawing. If I am confident in my analysis, and therefore persistent in my belief, that = emotional ... to you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 3 hours ago, Einstein said: Yes you were an early adopter of that analogy. You saw what many others couldn’t, and some still can’t, likely because you work directly in architecture and understand what is normal and what is not. You were able to understand very quickly that what the Bills are doing is not normal. I think you pose an excellent question of whether price or presentation is the problem. While a fool and their money are soon parted, I do believe it is a mixture of price and presentation and roll-out. The team created no hype, released very little in the way of renderings, require a timeshare style presentation, and THEN expect people to pay thousands of dollars on top of it. It was a poor plan. I think it remains to be seen if it’s a poor plan. The stadium will not open for over two years. If I were going to bet, I would bet on the multi billionaire and the team he has assembled who have no doubt studied this to death and have done it before, not the opinion of a fan no matter how dispassionately considered. When that stadium opens all available PSLs will have been sold and I am sure Terry will be very pleased with the financial result. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 3 minutes ago, FLFan said: I think it remains to be seen if it’s a poor plan. The stadium will not open for over two years. If I were going to bet, I would bet on the multi billionaire and the team he has assembled who have no doubt studied this to death and have done it before, not the opinion of a fan no matter how dispassionately considered. When that stadium opens all available PSLs will have been sold and I am sure Terry will be very pleased with the financial result. Do you mean like the multi-billionaire in NY (Jets - Woody Johnson) and his team who had to cut their PSL prices in half for nearly 20,000 seats to sell them? Or the billionaire owner in Atlanta that also had to cut their PSL prices? And Oakland? "Shoot for the stars and you will land on the moon". If you think billionaire teams dont mess up... google "New Coke". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 34 minutes ago, Einstein said: Better yet, grab a PSL when the Bills cut the price in half - or when someone sells it on the resale market for penny's on the dollar. i don't think either of those things will happen anytime soon the bills would rather not sell a PSL seat to a STH for many years before they cut the price of a PSL in half and crash their own market. can you imagine the outrage finding out someone next to you paid less. they will just make unsold PSL seats available and part of the inventory that are sold as an individual game tix and hope to sell them as a full season, the following year. don't forget that even before individual game tickets go on sale to the public, they are offered to STH first. one way or another.....every bills game will be a sellout for the foreseeable future. as far as a PSL resale market goes.....the chances of anyone deciding after just 5 years to sell their PSL's will be a very small number. anyone who might be in that position wont get them in the first place. those who do sell will likely do way better than just "pennies" on the dollar. most will be transferred to a family member. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 13 minutes ago, Einstein said: Do you mean like the multi-billionaire in NY (Jets - Woody Johnson) and his team who had to cut their PSL prices in half for nearly 20,000 seats to sell them? Or the billionaire owner in Atlanta that also had to cut their PSL prices? And Oakland? "Shoot for the stars and you will land on the moon". If you think billionaire teams dont mess up... google "New Coke". Simple economic dynamics. What percentage of total PSLs sold did that 20,000 represent? Did the lowering of those 20,000 PSL prices cause the Jets to lose revenue or simply not generate as much as they wanted? The team wasn’t hurt in the least from what I can gather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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