Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 3 minutes ago, NewEra said: I haven’t seen the money but I like him if he’s around 2M- good special teamer, has size. Can make plays downfield. He’s not great but he’s good competition for WR5-6 I think it's likely a small guaranteed number. If he can't beat out shorter- then you cut Hollins, and the guarantee is essentially tacked onto shorters cap hit. You lose probably less than 1M in cap space, and shorter has to stay healthy and outplay Hollins. Edited March 13 by Bleeding Bills Blue 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 8 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: Now you are being completely ridiculous. Moves like this make it even more likely we are drafting WR round 1. Ok. With this HC and his love for his notational DEs I’m not so sure. Hope I’m wrong. I’ll be the first to admit I was wrong this time. And I’ll be praising them that they FINALLY drafted an early WR for Allen. Until then I’ll have my doubts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) As a WR 5 this guy should be able to contribute. He may be wierd but hes also football smart. Quarterback friendly. Good hands. A very good blocker. Kroger will love him. He’s better than Sherfield or Kumerow. Like Morrow a good signing. I expect the Bills to draft 2 WRs. 7 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: I think it's likely a small guaranteed number. If he can't beat out shorter- then you cut him, and the guarantee is essentially tacked onto shorters cap hit. He will for sure beat out Shorter imo. Edited March 13 by starrymessenger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR8 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 hours ago, Cray51 said: You sound like a chipotle scarfing buffoon! Chic Fil A is some fine quality dining Not a fan of the tex mex, but I am a sucker for Rachel's Mediterranean Grill... It is so overpriced but it is so amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Just now, starrymessenger said: As a WR 4 or 5 this guy should be able to contribute. He may be wierd but hes also football smart. Quarterback friendly. Good hands. A very good blocker. Kroger will love him. He’s better than Sherfield or Kumerow. Like Morrow a good signing. I expect the Bills to draft 2 WRs. He will for sure beat out Shorter imo. Then you upgraded at ST gunner and WR5/6. And when factoring in Hollins number, you then subtract shorters 875K because he essentially replaces him in the calculation for the 53. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyo321 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: First, its not a base of $3 million. Second, we don’t sign more castoffs than anyone else. ESPN literally had a the graph of 2022 where we had the most draft picks playing than any other team. Literally #1. McDermott must really be a good coach if he take take a team to the playoffs if we have the most castoff filled roster. I never said it was a $3 mil base in any post, it can be up to this amount per ESPN and Yahoo sports. Still wasted money on a player that should not have been signed. They commit money in a contract signing versus drafting someone for the same purpose and if a rookie can't make the team there is no lost revenue. Instead of being stuck with someone that will be on the bench. Let me rephrase cast off players to just players no one would sign for the money that Buffalo paid them to come here and play, these money pit contracts have been a habit of this ownership and GM for 7 years. Oh wait a minute, I hear that name coming again!!! Von who????? Enough said..... Edited March 13 by Toyo321 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggerdaddynj Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 hours ago, Jrb1979 said: From what I heard on the radio the reason they didn't want to rework Josh's contract more is the hope is go get to a point where they don't have to restructure a lot of contracts for cap reasons. Thanks, Jrb, I hope it works out that way. I can still remember all of the excitement before we landed Mario Williams. It’s fun to be in the fight to land a big fish that can change the season (please no one bring up Von “DV” Miller). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Just now, Toyo321 said: I never said it was a $3 mil base in any post, it can be up to this amount per ESPN and Yahoo sports. Still wasted money on a player that should not have been signed. They commit money in a contract signing versus drafting someone for the same purpose and if rookie can't make the team there is no lost revenue. Instead of being stuck with someone that will be on the bench. Let me rephrase cast off players to just players no one would sign for the money that Buffalo paid them to come here and play, these money pit contracts have been all habit of this ownership and GM for 7 years. Oh wait a minute, I hear that name coming again!!! Von who????? Enough said..... Lets play the cap math game... Say its a 1.5M cap hit, incentives to bring it up to 3 (playing time, stats, gameday actives). Signing him pushes a rookie deal off the 53 man calculation. A rookie deal is ~800K. So now you have added 700K in cap hit to the balance sheet. It barely registers. Factor in say... 500k is guaranteed. If they cut him, they add 500K to the balance sheet, when they bring back the ~800K rookie contract at the bottom of the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 16 minutes ago, BeastMaster said: 6th best is simply your guess...it doesn't mean 5 will go before we pick, and it certainly doesn't mean the ones drated ahead will be better picks. And also...in a deep class, the sixth player drafted at his position might be a really good player. You're being a Debbie Downer when there are plenty of reasons to be positive and excited. The last time there was a wr class this deep the 6th wr taken was Brandon Aiyuk and the 7th was Tee Higgins. But the "5th" best wr was taken where the Bills would have picked, and that was Justin Jefferson. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 3 minutes ago, biggerdaddynj said: Thanks, Jrb, I hope it works out that way. I can still remember all of the excitement before we landed Mario Williams. It’s fun to be in the fight to land a big fish that can change the season (please no one bring up Von “DV” Miller). They kept the band together for 2 extra seasons. There was a double down with von 2 seasons ago. Then last season they brought back poyer, phillips, lawson, and didn't make moves with players like hyde, neal, and morse. All of those things were done essentially with future cap space. Now we're feeling that cap crunch. By ripping the bandaid off this year, and generally trying to prevent borrowing on future cap, you can identify your window to potentially swim a bit more into free agency and trades. The key is to draft well, and get contributors on those rookie deals. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Just now, Motorin' said: The last time there was a wr class this deep the 6th wr taken was Brandon Aiyuk and the 7th was Tee Higgins. But the "5th" best wr was taken where the Bills would have picked, and that was Justin Jefferson. That was such a weird draft too. Everyone expected 3 WRs off the board in the top 10 and it ended up being 0. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 If Beane is loading up on guys like Hollins, Morrow, and Cam Lewis, please bring back Ty Johnson a dude who actually helped us win games at the end of the year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 28 minutes ago, BeastMaster said: 6th best is simply your guess...it doesn't mean 5 will go before we pick, and it certainly doesn't mean the ones drated ahead will be better picks. And also...in a deep class, the sixth player drafted at his position might be a really good player. You're being a Debbie Downer when there are plenty of reasons to be positive and excited. And those reasons are? Right now we are worse off than last year and we hope an answer at WR comes in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LLCoolCy Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 3 minutes ago, Motorin' said: The last time there was a wr class this deep the 6th wr taken was Brandon Aiyuk and the 7th was Tee Higgins. But the "5th" best wr was taken where the Bills would have picked, and that was Justin Jefferson. Got me curious 2020 draft. 2020 draft WR taken: 1) pick 11 Henry Ruggs III 2) pick 15 Jerry Juedy 3) pick 17 CeDee Lamb 4) pick 21 Jalen Regor 5) pick 22 Justin Jefferson 6) pick 25 Brandon Aiyuk 7) pick 33 Tee Higgins 8 pick 34 Michael Pitman https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/draft.htm Some good some bad... though I think it took a while for all of them to play at a consistent level. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 5 hours ago, HappyDays said: This is a Trent Sherfield level signing. I really hope this isn't the end of our WR free agent shopping. This has nothing to do with our passing game, he is a great run blocker. I hope this is not the end of receiver signings as you mentioned Las Vegas Raiders WR Mack Hollins is a Swiss-Army-Knife Sports Illustrated https://www.si.com › nfl › raiders › news › las-vegas-ra... Oct 25, 2022 — Pro Football Focus has Hollins as the highest graded run-blocker among eligible wide receivers (84.2 grade). With help of Hollins' run blocking ... I just hope were not going to continue to throw all resources at our defence so Mcdermott can play ground and pound football. Never winning anything that way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 How come we didn’t sign a stud all pro reciever???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 17 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: This has nothing to do with our passing game, he is a great run blocker. I hope this is not the end of receiver signings as you mentioned Las Vegas Raiders WR Mack Hollins is a Swiss-Army-Knife Sports Illustrated https://www.si.com › nfl › raiders › news › las-vegas-ra... Oct 25, 2022 — Pro Football Focus has Hollins as the highest graded run-blocker among eligible wide receivers (84.2 grade). With help of Hollins' run blocking ... I just hope were not going to continue to throw all resources at our defence so Mcdermott can play ground and pound football. Never winning anything that way I am to the point I don't give a **** if they can run block or not. Create separation, get open, catch the damn ball consistently. THEN we can talk about the damn run blocking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 1 minute ago, SoonerBillsFan said: I am to the point I don't give a **** if they can run block or not. Create separation, get open, catch the damn ball consistently. THEN we can talk about the damn run blocking. He is not a great receiver signing, this is another scrub signing. 3 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: He is not a great receiver signing, this is another scrub signing. Fans need to think Sherfield, they will talk him up but Mcdermott pushed for this because of his run blocking. Edited March 13 by Niagara Dude 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 hours ago, SoTier said: You might want to fact check your statements before you post them in the future. All of the Bills' first round picks started as rookies: Tre White - started all 16 games as a rookie Josh Allen - started 11 games as a rookie Tremaine Edmunds - started all 15 games he played as a rookie Ed Oliver - started 7 games as a rookie Greg Rosseau - started all 17 games as a rookie Kaiir Elam - started 6 games as a rookie Dalton Kincaid - started 11 games as a rookie Moreover, these 2nd rounders started as rookies: Dion Dawkins - started 11 games as a rookie Cody Ford - started 15 games as a rookie A.J. Epenesa - started 1 game as a rookie O'Cyrus Torrence - started all 17 games as a rookie Here are the other rookies who have started for the Bills as rookies: Spencer Brown - started 10 games as a rookie (3rd rounder) Devin Singletary - started 8 games as a rookie (3rd rounder) Taron Johnson - started 2 games as a rookie (4th rounder) Matt Milano - started 5 games as a rookie (5th rounder) Christian Benford - started 5 games as a rookie (6th rounder) Don't confuse him with facts. 23 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: I am to the point I don't give a **** if they can run block or not. Create separation, get open, catch the damn ball consistently. THEN we can talk about the damn run blocking. No you give a LOT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 30 minutes ago, streetkings01 said: How come we didn’t sign a stud all pro reciever???? Is this a serious question or is this sarcasm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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