starrymessenger Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 9 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Of course, any of the top receivers to the Chiefs is no bueno. But the same can be said of offensive tackles. They need two new offensive tackles and this is the year to get one. The Chiefs have been fairly stingy with the Hunt fortune in recent offseasons so maybe they have to draft more for need and defer receiver to day 2. People worry about the Chiefs moving up, possibly big time, but I don't know. The Chiefs don't typically select a WR in the first round. They do it in the second. Maybe round 2 is where they move up. A. Mitchell has always been my target but although they have other pressing needs I see Mitchell as somebody Jerry will absolutely love and WR is a secondary need for the Boys. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 23 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: In the days leading up to the combine Ian Rappaport said that the biggest variation at WR between the draftniks and the pro scouts was Xavier Worthy. Pro scouts have always had him going in round 1(even if not a true first round grade, of which some think there are only 15-18). And the truth is that Worthy was generally considered a mid 1st round pick in waiting last spring and summer. He has been consistent so the "he's John Ross 2.0" crowd of folks clearly don't follow college football. Worthy just didn't have a breakout jump in performance. And that was largely on their QB Quinn Ewers IMO. He throws a lot of neighborhood balls. If Worthy and Mitchell had played with a Penix or Nix they would be a much easier evaluation, IMO. You might have missed it but I did a bit of DM bombing in the past week - touched base with 8 respected folks who I have got to be on DMing terms with over the past 5 years or so including two NFL scouts (one past and one present). Asked them basically where they were beyond the consensus top 3 and this was pre-combine and the split for the "4th guy" was Thomas x3 (including one who had him at WR3 ahead of Odunze) Coleman x2 Mitchell x1 Worthy x1 Franklin x1 And Worthy was the former scout. So I totally buy that the NFL has always been higher than the draft comnunity. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Do we know who did the Bills meet with at the combine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 hours ago, starrymessenger said: People worry about the Chiefs moving up, possibly big time, but I don't know. The Chiefs don't typically select a WR in the first round. They do it in the second. Maybe round 2 is where they move up. A. Mitchell has always been my target but although they have other pressing needs I see Mitchell as somebody Jerry will absolutely love and WR is a secondary need for the Boys. The Chiefs fatalistic obsession is out of hand. "The Chiefs are going to trade up for Worthy" "We can't let the Chiefs draft Ladd McConkey" "Gabe Davis is going to sign with the Chiefs and be consistently good for them" "The Chiefs are definitely going to sign Mike Evans" They live rent free in so many posters minds these days. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 3 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: The Chiefs fatalistic obsession is out of hand. "The Chiefs are going to trade up for Worthy" "We can't let the Chiefs draft Ladd McConkey" "Gabe Davis is going to sign with the Chiefs and be consistently good for them" "The Chiefs are definitely going to sign Mike Evans" They live rent free in so many posters minds these days. Can't have drama without a villain. They need to upgrade WR, and they will. I'd rather they didn't take one of the toys I want. And they are the team that has won the rings and kept us from advancing multiple times, so there's that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 19 hours ago, MasterStrategist said: Anyone questioning Worthy should check out some highlights. Yes highlights, but the guy has elite level speed and acceleration/ability to create YAC. My honest opinion? This is one of the weakest highlight videos I've ever seen for a supposedly 1st round talent. First of all nearly half the video is punt returns. Not a good sign when you have to fill time in a highlight video with plays that will be irrelevant when he hits the NFL (unless you are drafting a punt returner in the 1st round). More importantly every single pass catching highlight is the same. He catches the ball in open space and then zips by the defense at lightning speed. Where are the routes? Where is the shiftiness with the ball in his hands? Where are the catches outside of his frame? Can he find holes in zone? A couple times in these highlights he catches a vertical pass that is a tiny bit out in front of him and he falls to the ground while securing the catch, like a simple soft catch knocked him over. This looks like a mid-round pick to me. For him to be successful the play has to be set up specifically for him to receive the ball in space because he isn't going to set plays up on his own. The pass will have to be perfect and he'll have to hope the defense takes a bunch of bad angles. I don't see any shiftiness on his tape at all. He actually gets caught from behind more than a couple of times because he doesn't understand how to force bad angles. He's the definition of a straight line player. If any team takes Worthy in the 1st round it will end as badly as John Ross IMO. 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Just now, HappyDays said: My honest opinion? This is one of the weakest highlight videos I've ever seen for a supposedly 1st round talent. First of all nearly half the video is punt returns. Not a good sign when you have to fill time in a highlight video with plays that will be irrelevant when he hits the NFL (unless you are drafting a punt returner in the 1st round). More importantly every single pass catching highlight is the same. He catches the ball in open space and then zips by the defense at lightning speed. Where are the routes? Where is the shiftiness with the ball in his hands? Where are the catches outside of his frame? Can he find holes in zone? A couple times in these highlights he catches a vertical pass that is a tiny bit out in front of him and he falls to the ground while securing the catch, like a simple soft catch knocked him over. This looks like a mid-round pick to me. For him to be successful the play has to be set up specifically for him to receive the ball in space because he isn't going to set plays up on his own. The pass will have to be perfect and he'll have to hope the defense takes a bunch of bad angles. I don't see any shiftiness on his tape at all. He actually gets caught from behind more than a couple of times because he doesn't understand how to force bad angles. He's the definition of a straight line player. If any team takes Worthy in the 1st round it will end as badly as John Ross IMO. I am with you, someone is going to screw up and take this kid in the 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 8 minutes ago, HappyDays said: My honest opinion? This is one of the weakest highlight videos I've ever seen for a supposedly 1st round talent. First of all nearly half the video is punt returns. Not a good sign when you have to fill time in a highlight video with plays that will be irrelevant when he hits the NFL (unless you are drafting a punt returner in the 1st round). More importantly every single pass catching highlight is the same. He catches the ball in open space and then zips by the defense at lightning speed. Where are the routes? Where is the shiftiness with the ball in his hands? Where are the catches outside of his frame? Can he find holes in zone? A couple times in these highlights he catches a vertical pass that is a tiny bit out in front of him and he falls to the ground while securing the catch, like a simple soft catch knocked him over. This looks like a mid-round pick to me. For him to be successful the play has to be set up specifically for him to receive the ball in space because he isn't going to set plays up on his own. The pass will have to be perfect and he'll have to hope the defense takes a bunch of bad angles. I don't see any shiftiness on his tape at all. He actually gets caught from behind more than a couple of times because he doesn't understand how to force bad angles. He's the definition of a straight line player. If any team takes Worthy in the 1st round it will end as badly as John Ross IMO. Sounds like an Al Davis pick. When they hit, they hit big - but the misses were notable too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 32 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: The Chiefs fatalistic obsession is out of hand. "The Chiefs are going to trade up for Worthy" "We can't let the Chiefs draft Ladd McConkey" "Gabe Davis is going to sign with the Chiefs and be consistently good for them" "The Chiefs are definitely going to sign Mike Evans" They live rent free in so many posters minds these days. It's like the Patriots were a few years back in people's minds. The funny thing is, the Chiefs traded their top WR, one of the best on the field in the NFL...then went on to win the next 2 Super Bowls. Then they had what looks to be a find with Rice. Who's to say they're even in a huge hurry to stock the position at the top of the draft/huge FA move? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sestak4ever Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 5 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: There’s no point in that the only way you beat the chiefs anymore is to win an arms race get your qb as many weapons as they can cause McDermott has proven even with a totally healthy defense he really can’t stop the Burrows and Mahomes of the world might as well outscore them. I’m not saying to draft a pass rusher, just that if Mahomes is pressured that is the only time he is off on his throws or throws picks. I think we should definitely draft a wr in the first round and more on day two or three. Check out what the Raiders did to him when they beat KC at the end of the season. I’m speaking more about defensive strategy against him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 32 minutes ago, HappyDays said: My honest opinion? This is one of the weakest highlight videos I've ever seen for a supposedly 1st round talent. First of all nearly half the video is punt returns. Not a good sign when you have to fill time in a highlight video with plays that will be irrelevant when he hits the NFL (unless you are drafting a punt returner in the 1st round). More importantly every single pass catching highlight is the same. He catches the ball in open space and then zips by the defense at lightning speed. Where are the routes? Where is the shiftiness with the ball in his hands? Where are the catches outside of his frame? Can he find holes in zone? A couple times in these highlights he catches a vertical pass that is a tiny bit out in front of him and he falls to the ground while securing the catch, like a simple soft catch knocked him over. This looks like a mid-round pick to me. For him to be successful the play has to be set up specifically for him to receive the ball in space because he isn't going to set plays up on his own. The pass will have to be perfect and he'll have to hope the defense takes a bunch of bad angles. I don't see any shiftiness on his tape at all. He actually gets caught from behind more than a couple of times because he doesn't understand how to force bad angles. He's the definition of a straight line player. If any team takes Worthy in the 1st round it will end as badly as John Ross IMO. Devil's advocate: stuff like finding holes in the zone generally aren't exciting enough to be in highlight videos. I am admittedly low on Worthy though. He shows flashes of being able to change direction really well on some of his routes, but I don't think he showed much of it after the catch/didn't show it in his routes consistently either. He's more of a guy that will catch the ball and simply outrun defenders vs. a Kadarius Toney or Zay Flowers type where they're making people miss with change of direction skills. I don't think it's an accident that he skipped the Combine drills; he knew he'd be able to just stop after the 40 and walk out a winner without having to draw attention to his hands, routes, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 56 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: The Chiefs fatalistic obsession is out of hand. "The Chiefs are going to trade up for Worthy" "We can't let the Chiefs draft Ladd McConkey" "Gabe Davis is going to sign with the Chiefs and be consistently good for them" "The Chiefs are definitely going to sign Mike Evans" They live rent free in so many posters minds these days. I remember "if Kadarius Toney is drafted by the Chiefs it is game over" not just from Bills fans. I heard it in the mainstream media too. Low and behold he ends up there after a trade and royally sucks balls. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Just now, GunnerBill said: I remember "if Kadarius Toney is drafted by the Chiefs it is game over" not just from Bills fans. I heard it in the mainstream media too. Low and behold he ends up there after a trade and royally sucks balls. I'll worry about how a player may or may not work with the Chiefs after the Chiefs get him. But the non-stop "oh no what if the Chiefs get him" or "the Chiefs are going to get him and we're screwed if they do" with literally EVERY FA or Draft eligible WR available is a little much for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 3 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I'll worry about how a player may or may not work with the Chiefs after the Chiefs get him. But the non-stop "oh no what if the Chiefs get him" or "the Chiefs are going to get him and we're screwed if they do" with literally EVERY FA or Draft eligible WR available is a little much for me. I agree. Though I do think they will nibble at Gabe Davis. It isn't just fan talk IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) 4 hours ago, starrymessenger said: People worry about the Chiefs moving up, possibly big time, but I don't know. The Chiefs don't typically select a WR in the first round. They do it in the second. Maybe round 2 is where they move up. A. Mitchell has always been my target but although they have other pressing needs I see Mitchell as somebody Jerry will absolutely love and WR is a secondary need for the Boys. The Cowboys have Michael Gallup and Brandon Cooks, what else do they need at WR? With Tyron Smith on the outs I've gotta think OT is high on their board. Edited March 3 by The Jokeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 46 minutes ago, HappyDays said: My honest opinion? This is one of the weakest highlight videos I've ever seen for a supposedly 1st round talent. First of all nearly half the video is punt returns. Not a good sign when you have to fill time in a highlight video with plays that will be irrelevant when he hits the NFL (unless you are drafting a punt returner in the 1st round). More importantly every single pass catching highlight is the same. He catches the ball in open space and then zips by the defense at lightning speed. Where are the routes? Where is the shiftiness with the ball in his hands? Where are the catches outside of his frame? Can he find holes in zone? A couple times in these highlights he catches a vertical pass that is a tiny bit out in front of him and he falls to the ground while securing the catch, like a simple soft catch knocked him over. This looks like a mid-round pick to me. For him to be successful the play has to be set up specifically for him to receive the ball in space because he isn't going to set plays up on his own. The pass will have to be perfect and he'll have to hope the defense takes a bunch of bad angles. I don't see any shiftiness on his tape at all. He actually gets caught from behind more than a couple of times because he doesn't understand how to force bad angles. He's the definition of a straight line player. If any team takes Worthy in the 1st round it will end as badly as John Ross IMO. Call me crazy, but I would have no problem taking a chance on the the next potential Tyreek Hill in the first round…I would even trade up for him…At this point, the Bills have nothing to lose imo… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 6 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I'll worry about how a player may or may not work with the Chiefs after the Chiefs get him. But the non-stop "oh no what if the Chiefs get him" or "the Chiefs are going to get him and we're screwed if they do" with literally EVERY FA or Draft eligible WR available is a little much for me. Toss in the busting of Skyy Moore and Mecole Hardman they aren't great at identifying WRs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Just now, JaCrispy said: Call me crazy, but I would have no problem taking a chance on the the next potential Tyreek Hill in the first round…I would even trade up for him…At this point, the Bills have nothing to lose imo… They have plenty to lose. They need to make the right choice. I would not take Worthy. A big X like Thomas, Mitchell, or Legette makes a lot more sense. I understand the appeal, however. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: Call me crazy, but I would have no problem taking a chance on the the next potential Tyreek Hill in the first round…I would even trade up for him…At this point, the Bills have nothing to lose imo… Trading up for a WR who bust in a strong draft year is so reminiscent of Sammy Watkins. No thanks. We'd have a lot to lose as we have serious depth issues at RB, DL, OL and S. We're not a single player away 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 hours ago, No_Matter_What said: Do we know who did the Bills meet with at the combine? https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2024/03/nfl-combine-2024-buffalo-bills-prospect-meeting-tracker.html WIDE RECEIVER Troy Franklin, Oregon (source) Keon Coleman, FSU (source) Tez Walker, UNC (source) Xavier Worthy, Texas (source) Brian Thomas Jr., LSU (source) Jalen McMillan, Washington (source) Adonai Mitchell, Texas (source) Xavier Legette, South Carolina (source) Roman Wilson, Michigan (source) Johnny Wilson, Florida State (source) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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