All_Pro_Bills Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 The Chiefs are marginally better than the Bills. As the Chiefs are with some other teams too. But that margin is enough to make the difference between losing in the Divisional Round and winning in the Super Bowl. We've discussed and identified most of the shortcomings whether coaching, drafting, free agent signings, execution, you name it. I think the biggest factor is this team crumbles in the big moments because for all the talk about the culture and the process it doesn't have the mental toughness or the game plan preparation to deliver in the big moments. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: I wish people would realize this undisputed fact. The regular season is not as important to the Chiefs. They win enough to get in the playoffs then "flip the switch" like the Lakers used to do. The Bills are just the opposite. The regular season is their plateau. Once the playoffs and bright lights go on, they play tight just like their coach. Notice how KC's defense and most of their team are always healthy in January. This is not a coincidence. They aren't destroying us. If McDermott doesn't have one of the biggest head coaching blunders in team history in 13 seconds....guess what? People would say we were the better team. If Allen hits Shalir in the end zone and we stop the Chiefs on their next drive....guess what? We're better than the Chiefs. Or would they still have been better if they lost both times? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: If Allen hits Shakir and we win we're better? But because he didn't, we aren't? Do I have this right? Even if we get that TD, Mahomes has 1:30 to go down the field and score a TD to win the game. You REALLY think our D was gonna stop Mahomes that game? Why? We didnt' stop them all night... What IFs are a great game to play. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 21 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: How much better are the 49ers than the Packers? Where would you rank the Packers? The packers and niners are in a different conference. One team may be a future powerhouse. The other one already is. But who cares really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 3 minutes ago, cgg716 said: Frankly? No. The gap between teams isn't that big. Love is an emerging star. Inexperience and coaching were factors that day. Just like yesterday. And in the AFCCG and the Bills game But the 49ers beat them. The 49ers should have lost to both the Packers and Lions. They didn't play well but the 49ers are better than both teams. My point is, if the 49ers had lost one of those games, it just means those teams were better on that day, not that they were the better team in general Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Football is so random and comes down to a couple plays. Bills and Chiefs are evenly matched based on their matchups the past few years. Bills beat the Chiefs in KC this year, but if Toney doesn’t line up Offside they probably lose. If Dawkins holds up a fraction of a second longer and Allen hits Shakir in the endzone, there is a decent chance the Bills win. We’ve had some bad luck on close games and coaching blunders in those tight moments. Coaching is the #1 most important thing in these close games. What if Brady had schemed up a quick pass on 2nd down instead of running routes in the endzone? And then ran the ball on 3rd down, assuming it was 4-down territory? Bills likely kill the clock, get the first down and either win or give Bass a chip shot and we are likely going to OT. All coaching at that point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 11 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: They never seem to have any injuries either. People miss time during the season, and they were missing Thuney there at the end. But Buffalo was missing CB1 - Tre CB2 - Benford LB1 - Milano LB2 - Bernard LB4 - Spector WR2 - Davis DT3 - Phillips S3 - Rapp (used a decent amount in that dime package on 3rd and long - where we probably needed him more than ever with LBs out) Hell, even the punter was hurt! CB3 played with a knee LB3 played with a shoulder injury KC had pretty much the entire defense there at the end. Thuney played against buffalo, but he would be the big loss in the super bowl. And it was a challenge for them as pass pro was a bit of an issue in the first half. 21 we lose our best defensive player Tre. 22 we lose our 140M dollar Von. 23 we lose Milano who probably is our best defensive player now. Not to mention a multitude of additional defensive guys going down toward the end of the season. I personally think we have one of the worst strength and conditioning staffs in the NFL. KC plays on grass, we play on turf. It all factors in. Alot of times people say injuries are luck. I've never bought into that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 4 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: If McDermott doesn't have one of the biggest head coaching blunders in team history in 13 seconds....guess what? People would say we were the better team. If Allen hits Shalir in the end zone and we stop the Chiefs on their next drive....guess what? We're better than the Chiefs Both these are examples of HCing incompetence! The inability to impart what to do and absolutely what NOT to do in given, critical, end of game, situations! As in… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 minutes ago, hjnick said: Even if we get that TD, Mahomes has 1:30 to go down the field and score a TD to win the game. You REALLY think our D was gonna stop Mahomes that game? Why? We didnt' stop them all night... What IFs are a great game to play. OK. for the record. I said myself that even if Allen hit that pass, we probably still don't win that game because we didn't stop them defensively all game. Those were my own words. I'm not naive enough to think we would have stopped them. My point I've been trying to make is IF IIIIIIIIIIIFFFFFF we hit that pass and got the luckiest break in the world on defense after that to win that game, we are all of a sudden better because we beat them, right? But because we didn't, that's everyone's reason to say they're better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heels20X6 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 This reminds me of being a Winnipeg Jets fan in the 80s. They were clearly one of the best teams in the NHL, lead by a generational talent in Dale Hawerchuk (y'all know Ducky)...it's just that they continually got bounced in the first and second round of the playoffs by this stupid team from Edmonton who happened to have some dweeb on it named Gretzky. The 80s Oilers are considered one of the greatest teams/dynasties of all time. Those 80s Jets? Just a footnote. I really, really hope that Josh Allen's Bills don't end up as a footnote 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Take Josh and Patrick outta this. Offense will never be an issue in KC cause Reid’s system which Patrick has mastered is so player friendly he could plug and play anyone in there to make plays he’s been doing it for 30 years. Josh has to deal with the unique challenge of having a defense first front office and coach staff that throws retread level receivers not named Diggs at him. Im not going to argue talent on defense the Chiefs where healthy the Bills where not. The difference between these two teams is one team expects to win…the other team hopes to win. It’s more a culture issue then anything. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 49 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Well to be honest they are better than 31 teams. True but I don't care about those teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 50 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said: And the funny thing is we actually end up getting to host KC in the playoffs this year and it still didn't matter Ah, I wouldn't spend too much time fretting that the Bills are inferior. I don't they are. I won't be winning any arguments because results are the bottom line, but just watch. As long as the Bills don't become a "I'm a loser!" head case like the Super Bowl Bills against Washington and Dallas, they'll win their share of championships. When KC and Buffalo play, it's a coinflip who will win; that's been the case for years. The flip just happened to come up Buffalo in the regular season matches and KC in the playoffs. Just about all of those games could have gone either way. No, all else being equal (no small condition, I realize), we'll see a regression to the mean, and on two Lombardi trophies in Buffalo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said: Both these are examples of HCing incompetence! The inability to impart what to do and absolutely what NOT to do in given, critical, end of game, situations! As in… Is Andy Reid clearly better than McDermott? Yes absolutely. Are the Chiefs as a team clearly better than the Bills? A difference of 2 or 3 plays in 2 playoff games and we are the better team. If it's as simple as "they won, they're better". Than if 13 second doesn't happen, they're still better? If we somehow got a defensive stop if Shakir catches that TD, then we're better? Like I have said, the 49ers are better than both the Packers and Lions but should have lost both games. If the Lions or Packers win either game, it doesn't make them the better team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: 21 we lose our best defensive player Tre. 22 we lose our 140M dollar Von. 23 we lose Milano who probably is our best defensive player now. Not to mention a multitude of additional defensive guys going down toward the end of the season. I personally think we have one of the worst strength and conditioning staffs in the NFL. KC plays on grass, we play on turf. It all factors in. Alot of times people say injuries are luck. I've never bought into that. I know Greenlaw was nursing some tightness in his Achilles, but he literally tore it running onto the field (which honestly potentially cost them the game). There is definitely some degree of luck involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 4 minutes ago, DapperCam said: If Dawkins holds up a fraction of a second longer and Allen hits Shakir in the endzone, there is a decent chance the Bills win. This is SO wrong! The Chiefs, with endless (1:45) time & 2 TOs, being given 4 downs every new set? 🤪The 49ers discovered what a bad strategy that was last night. I don’t care about Dawkins, let alone the so so idiot kicker- light years of competence from Butker. The strategy is to NEVER attempt that Pass- then. The only way to do it is to get one more First Down and bleed virtually EVERY second from Mahomes! So that you’re allowing only Allen to run or shots to the End Zone from inside the 15 or better… with less than 20 seconds to go. (See the Chiefs from last night on how to do it correctly!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 4 minutes ago, Heels20X6 said: This reminds me of being a Winnipeg Jets fan in the 80s. They were clearly one of the best teams in the NHL, lead by a generational talent in Dale Hawerchuk (y'all know Ducky)...it's just that they continually got bounced in the first and second round of the playoffs by this stupid team from Edmonton who happened to have some dweeb on it named Gretzky. The 80s Oilers are considered one of the greatest teams/dynasties of all time. Those 80s Jets? Just a footnote. I really, really hope that Josh Allen's Bills don't end up as a footnote Exactly. It's the same analogy as the 90s Chicago Bulls and New York Knicks. Until we can prove otherwise this iteration of the Buffalo Bills is the B team to the Championship teams 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 28 minutes ago, Sweats said: Anyone watch the trenches last night?....ya i know, everyone wants to watch the "pretty" plays, the QB, the RB's, the WR's, but did anyone actually watch the trenches? I did and i'll tell ya some things i noticed.... 1) When the Niners were dictating and dominating the trench on O in the first half, they pressured Mahomo keeping him off-balance and forcing him to abandon some of KC's playcalling. They forced some sacks and kept Mahomo off his rhythm. KC could not generate anything on O in the 1st half. CM was steam rolling the KC D line, slicing up yardage. 2) The 2nd half was completely different. KC owned the trenches, which gave Mahomo the confidence to make plays. It also didn't help that the Niners abandoned the run, however, the KC D was stout in the 2nd half and limited CM to very little yardage. My point being, we all know the game is won and lost in the trenches. We all know that if you can pressure Mahomo, you can throw him off his game. When was the last time we completely dominated the trenches in any game?.....Dallas, and that's about it. We moved the ball at will cause it all started in the trenches. My other point being, our FO keeps telling the fans that they are building a team to compete with KC....and yes we can compete in the regular season, but in the playoffs, they own us. They outright own us. Did we get any pressure on Mahomo last game we played them?....nope, and he had all day to feel comfortable in the pocket and pick us apart. If we can't own the trenches, we can't own the Lombardi.....simple as that. Agree. The only time they lost was when both OT were injured and missed the SuperBowl. Beane improved the OL. Now he has to rebuild the DL while getting younger, more reliable and faster at WR. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Just now, Buffalo03 said: Is Andy Reid clearly better than McDermott? Yes absolutely. Are the Chiefs as a team clearly better than the Bills? A difference of 2 or 3 plays in 2 playoff games and we are the better team. If it's as simple as "they won, they're better". Than if 13 second doesn't happen, they're still better? If we somehow got a defensive stop if Shakir catches that TD, then we're better? Like I have said, the 49ers are better than both the Packers and Lions but should have lost both games. If the Lions or Packers win either game, it doesn't make them the better team. Clearly we are fairly evenly matched with KC, the games literally all come down to the wire. Doesn't mean how we match up with SF, or a healthy burrow-led cincy squad, or whomever. Football is matchups, its game calling, its the players making a play at a given moment, etc. I don't fear KC, and I think we will knock them off in the next year or two, but it doesn't matter if you can't win the ones after that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 59 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Not beating them in the playoffs doesn't mean we're not better. I would argue we were better team in 2021 in 13 seconds and I would also argue we were the better team this year. We should have won both games against them. Shooting yourselves in the foot doesn't mean they're better 0-3 against KC when it mattered says Bills are not better regardless of how your heart wants it to be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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