Don Otreply Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 21 minutes ago, Brand J said: I did, but disputed the “sure thing” support for a trade up. Agreed with your second point. It all depends on so many factors when engaging in a trade up, of course you don’t want to give the farm away so to speak, but if you’re damn certain about a player selection you do it, within reason, this year “supposedly” there are “a lot” of good receivers available, but we all know a fair number aren’t gonna make it in the NFL, anyway, it will be entertaining to watch things unfold, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 2 hours ago, Doc said: That Beane has shown "no aptitude for evaluating WR talent"? LOL! Good one. two guys. 7 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) 3 hours ago, DapperCam said: You are just as likely to get Sammy Watkins was going to say the same thing! We already made our own Julio jones trade up for The Great Decoy. Edited February 3 by Miyagi-Do Karate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 2 hours ago, Augie said: The NFL would probably put that on PPV, and that I would gladly pay to see! Because he hasn’t drafted one early does not mean he cannot evaluate them. Those are two different things. Belichick is the guy who can’t evaluate WR’s. He’s proven it. . yeah Belichicks legacy will be “couldn’t evaluate WRs” lol 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Considering he's never Drafted a WR before Round 4, of which Gabe Davis was the only 4th Rounder (everyone else was picked Round 5-7) - I don't know how you can make that assessment. Actually, considering that fact, landing guys like Davis, Khalil Shakir, Ray-Ray McCloud, and Isaiah Hodgins - who have become contributors here or around the league, I'd say his success rate is actually pretty good. Justin Shorter was red shirted last season so we don't know what he'll become yet. The only ones to fail were Marquez Stevenson (Late 6th) and Austin Proehl (Round 7). Going 4 of 6 on Day 3 Draft Picks, who are still on rosters with varying degrees of success is about as good as you can ask for. It's exceedingly rare to find a stud on Day 3. the point was he never prioritized a position of need (WR)…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 54 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: No ability to evaluate WR talent, but finding WR talent that you like on Day 3? Davis isn’t a WR1. Davis was a decent 2 (despite the sentiment here). Shakir is a complimentary guy. 2 decent picks in 7 years I guess. the need is in the top spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: yeah Belichicks legacy will be “couldn’t evaluate WRs” lol the point was he never prioritized a position of need (WR)…. The words were he couldn’t evaluate them, I believe. You said Beane couldn’t evaluate WR talent. I and others have pointed out that to date he’s been a later round WR guy. Yes, he had other priorities, but that says nothing about his ability to evaluate. He may have been 100% right on ranking the top WR’s, but we just don’t know since he never swung the bat there. Belichick did swing the bat, and he is a guy I don’t want picking my WR’s. I don’t give a rip about him or his legacy, I’m just pointing out a fact. . Edited February 3 by Augie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Just now, Augie said: The words were he couldn’t evaluate them, I believe. You said Beane couldn’t evaluate WR talent. I and others have pointed out that to date he’s been a later round WR guy. Yes, he had other priorities, but that says nothing about his ability to evaluate. He may have been 100% right on ranking the top WR’s, but we just don’t know since he never swung the bat there. Belichick did swing the bat, and he is a guy I don’t want picking my WR’s. I don’t give a rip about him or his legacy, I’m just pointing out a fact. when you don’t swing the bat on a position of need, that’s a failure of evaluation of the first order—pretty simple. It also means he couldn’t recognize it was a problem Look at the receivers passed on over the years. Now, 7 years into his stewardship we have a declining Diggs, Davis likely gone, and Shakir. It’s a disaster the obvious difference between Beane and BB is that his struggle drafting WRs had no impact on the teams 20 year dynasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 I hope WR is a top priority and if MHJ for some reason drops a few spots, Beane inquires what the cost of moving up would be. Barring that, I hope he has tiers of targets, and as the last is left on the board, he inquires what the cost of moving up would be. Regardless of the holes on DL and elsewhere right now, you know he’ll have bodies in place come draft day. I don’t think they can ignore the WR room for another first round, if for no other reason than it’s a premium position that the 5th year option makes a world of difference for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: when you don’t swing the bat on a position of need, that’s a failure of evaluation of the first order—pretty simple. It also means he couldn’t recognize it was a problem Look at the receivers passed on over the years. Now, 7 years into his stewardship we have a declining Diggs, Davis likely gone, and Shakir. It’s a disaster the obvious difference between Beane and BB is that his struggle drafting WRs had no impact on the teams 20 year dynasty Now I’m just chuckling. Thanks. I’m leaving to see Kathleen Madigan in a few minutes, and you are like a Pre-warm up act. You can tear up ANYONE if you want to point out the players a GM passed over. Montana went in the third round, Brady in the 6th. That is the weakest approach I see on this board. . Edited February 3 by Augie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 3 minutes ago, Augie said: Now I’m just chuckling. Thanks. I’m leaving to see Kathleen Madigan in a few minutes, and you are like a Pre-warm up act. You can tear up ANYONE if you want to point out the players a GM passed over. Montana went in the third round, Brady in the 6th. That is the weakest approach I see on this board. . Enjoy the. Show she’s pretty darn funny, 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 35 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Davis isn’t a WR1. Davis was a decent 2 (despite the sentiment here). Shakir is a complimentary guy. 2 decent picks in 7 years I guess. the need is in the top spot. Do you expect to find a WR1 on Day 3? 45 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: two guys. 7 years It doesn’t mean he lacks the aptitude for evaluating them. Your statement looks stupid considering those “two guys in 7 years” have been pretty good relative to their draft position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 When WR like Amon Ra, Tyreek and Cooper Kupp and Nacua can be drafted in rounds 3-5, why in the world would we trade up for any WR? Only real position worth trading up for in the current NFL is probably QB. Maybe an absolute elite beast of a pass rusher. That’s about it imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 My guess is Bean moves up if his target is there. I fully support it if it's not the Edmunds of WRs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 5 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said: I voted No Way! I am still shell shocked from the trade up for Sammy Watkins. Pass… Easily a horrible trade and possibly the worst in Buffalo’s history. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 17 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: Easily a horrible trade and possibly the worst in Buffalo’s history. In a weird way, I wouldn’t change a thing. Picking EJ Manuel, doubling down on that draft pick by trading up for Watkins, using the 2015 first instead of the 2014 second so we could pick Cyrus Kouandjio (yikes), all of it spun the tapestry for us to eventually get Josh Allen. Butterfly effect and all that. Yes, maybe we break the drought a little bit sooner if we don’t make that trade, but by the same token, maybe we don’t have Allen as our QB. Maybe we are paying Derek Carr $30M a season. Maybe we have Dak Prescott choking in the first round every year. Maybe we are still looking for a QB. We are one of the handful of franchises with a surefire elite QB. A QB that makes us top 3-4 in Super Bowl odds in Vegas every year. The Sammy Watkins trade was worth THAT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) Beane will never do it, but I’d be willing to move a lot of picks to move up in Round 1 & Round 2 to get legit playmakers at WR that make immediate impact. This offense needs real weapons at present my favorites for us are Brian Thomas Jr and Troy Franklin. After that, both Xavier’s Find a way to get 2 of those 4 and that’s a home run Edited February 4 by Warriorspikes51 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Paulson Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) No eFFin Way- let the draft come to us and Beane has s learned how to draft finally (or the McDermott influence is waning). We have too much retooling to do to waste 4? picks on 1 player this year and next. Edited February 4 by Robert Paulson 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 3 hours ago, Don Otreply said: Enjoy the. Show she’s pretty darn funny, 👍 It was my fourth time buying tickets to see her, and the third time actually doing it. I got these tix for my wife and myself months in advance, maybe as a Christmas present? The other time my college hoops team made a run and the wife took a friend. I recommend Kathleen Madigan, and her opener tonight was fantastic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Beane trading for Diggs in that deep WR draft is a folly that doesn’t get enough hate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Here’s the thing. If you want a Julio Jones you need to either get MH, Odunze, Nabers(who I think is slightly overhyped). Those guys are probably all gone by the top 10. That means we’re giving up 1 and 2 this year and 1 next year for probably Nabers. I don’t think there is a guarantee Nabers ends up being significantly better with Allen than say a Brian Thomas, Adonai Mitchell etc. This team is one of the oldest in the NFL and needs to infuse young talent on its roster. Those 10 picks are huge for the future of this team and I think it’s very possible for the first time in forever that 8 or 9 guys make this roster as rookies 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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