BlazinBill Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Patrick Fitzryan said: This is nonsense. This team had tons of support when they didn't make the playoffs for almost two decades. Being a loyal fan doesn't mean you have to be a homer doofus who never criticizes anything. Ok my opinion is nonsense - doesn't change it though not sure if your attempting to throw an insult my way by calling me a homer doofus,- pointing out that not all fans are actually fans doesn't equate to not having fans that do support We have a huge following and always have - there are without a doubt those who support us when not winning, most likely majority but please don't come at me stating that we do not have a bigger following when winning- Edited January 19 by BlazinBill Added response Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazinBill Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 30 minutes ago, transient said: "Jumping off the wagon" suggests that a "bandwagon fan" is no longer rooting for or supporting a team. I'm not suggesting that all people behaved sanely... I'm not suggesting that I behaved sanely... and I'm not suggesting that there weren't a few people who actually did "jump off the wagon", but I don't think that was the general reaction. I'm typically fairly level-headed, but after that Denver loss and then the Eagles loss, I was... and may still be, depending on the results moving forward... on board with coaching changes. Others had stronger points of view... expressed with varying degrees of negativity and sanity. You may call my and other's points of view irrational, wrong, etc... and you may make points that some consider valid... but at the end of the day it is in no way indicative of me or others jumping off the wagon. Now, if it was one of the classic "I'm soooo done with this team" posts and the person meant it, then, yes, there would appear to be a new open seat on the wagon. Ok- I'm just going to restart here- my observation is based of generalization - not toward you specifically or anyone specifically on here for that matter- just how I see things- my statement was just how I feel- we see things differently is all that is happening - I'm ot saying your opinion is wrong or invalid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazinBill Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 15 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: pretty sure our stadium was packed during the drought years. Dawkins was wrong for posting that stuff, IMO. Doesn't make him a bad guy, but a mistake nonetheless. Sooo- stating how you feel in the moment about how things make you feel is wrong and a mistake - got it- don't even disagree with you. I personally never post during the game for that very reason as it's an emotional response and completely normal for any human being. That logic implies everyone who overreacts with emotions on this board on game day is also wrong- last time Allen threw 2 picks in the first half a few weeks back the board melted and crashed the site I also have never stated the stands were not filled during drought years- I've been going to games since 87 - but if your going to tell me that we don't have fans here that showed up after that I would simply disagree - that's it - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 2 hours ago, longtimebillsfan said: Not that difficult to predict. We have seen that reaction after every loss this season. Would you fire him if he pulled another 13 seconds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 9 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Technically, Whaley was the GM. But if you look at the 2017 Draft - the way in which it was handled, the type of players selected, and how quickly Whaley was let go after the Draft - it's pretty clear it was at most, just Whaley's board with McDermott selecting the guys he wanted. Whaley bully loaded teams. He just didn’t get a qb. This Allen on the 2014 would be the top SB contenders. and Dawkins has grown on me. I know first hand he’s a great and fun dude. But I worried he loves the life and it doesn’t seem like he takes his conditioning as serious as you hope. But he has balled out this year and is a great leader for this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: Would you fire him if he pulled another 13 seconds? I think a lot of people here wouldn't. There's a lot of fans who think just making the playoffs, even if they are consistent Divisional Round exits where the coach makes blunders year after year is a success. There isn't really a right or wrong answer. If simply that makes people happy, that's what they're going to advocate for. I personally think the standard should be higher. Edited January 19 by HomeskillitMoorman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: But there is a pretty solid argument for that. Some of you act like there's no nuance there. If we lose, McD will be 5-6 in the postseason overall and 0-3 vs the Chiefs including a home game against the weakest version of them we may see for a long time and one of those being a direct chokejob from him personally, assuming that doesn't happen again in Meeting 3. And 3 straight years of Divisional Round exits since hitting the apex back in 2020-21. It's not crazy...it's pretty logical. That would be a very disappointing body of work with an elite QB. The only coach I can really think of that had great regular season success and some but not a lot of playoff success that was fired is Marty schottenheimer and his playoff record was a heck of a lot worse than 5-6 lol historically this would be a near unheard of firing. People will say dungy but really that’s evidence we should keep McDermott honestly…gruden won a superbowl with dungys players that dungy likely wouldve won himself and when he finally wrestled control away from dungys guys he promptly ran the franchise straight into the ground 😂. They thought they had parcells lined up who changed his mind and they got stuck with gruden. Then, the raiders were having no regular or postseason success and dungy won a superbowl with a different team thats the danger for me, if you could line up a new coach before firing your current coach then yea its a much easier discussion. But the way it works the odds are high the guy you want chooses a different team and you’re out a pretty good head coach that has perennially given you a shot to win it all. the whole ‘we haven’t won a Super Bowl yet what do we have to lose’ argument makes no sense to me…there’s a lot to lose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 27 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Once again, they're a .500 team that has beaten one and only one playoff team all season, Miami, which again, probably says more about Miami than it does about KC. We appear to be notably better than Miami. And once again, we're talking about our offense, not our back-7, the latter part of which has been injured to one extent or another for two seasons now. Poyer and Hyde are both fine, so I'm not sure I'd say decimated. And yes, we might be down our 3 starting CBs, but that's doubtful as they're all listed as Questionable. Either way, that has nothing to do with whether we produce a balanced offensive game-plan or not. Sorry, but relying on a defense, at pretty much full strength, that allowed 24 points to a team led by a 7th-round rookie QB draftee in his third, and only second consecutive start, at home, in the snow and cold, and 27 points, 30 1st-Downs, and 412 yards the following week to a team featuring an backup OL, doesn't appear to be a wise thing to do, particularly when that same defense has worse season metrics than that prior defense. Offense will determine this game for us. If all we can do is muster 14 offensive and need STs or D TDs to win this, then good luck to us. Having said that, hopefully Brady has come up with something a little more creative than merely allowing Josh to ad hoc everything and we'll produce a balanced attack with 150 plus in the rushing category against the league's 17th ranked yardage rushing D and 24th ranked yards-per-carry rushing D. Many of these discussions go on as if KC has no weaknesses. They have plenty, to be exploited by those knowing how to do so, this season. To start, their rush D sucks. Their WRs suck with the exception of the developing rookie Rice, Kelce's play has clearly diminished as should have been expected at his age of 34. The home crowd is going to be raucous and IMO the harshest yet for an opponent. It's difficult to envision many Chiefs fans in attendance either. It's tough to envision them scoring much despite a few injured players that also might all play. Against playoff teams during the entire season, the Chiefs have put up 14 & 26 offensive against Miami, 20 against Detroit, 17 against Philly, and 19 against Green Bay, and 17 against us. That's an average of 19 PPG against playoff caliber competition, and of those defenses, we have the best, and it's hardly as if the others are barking up our rear in the rankings. 26, 20, 19, 17, 17, and 14. Philly has the 30th ranked scoring D, Detroit the 23rd, Miami the 22nd, Green Bay the 10th, and us the 4th. IOW, if we allow more than 20 points at home, with Mahomes having a difficult time hearing himself much less his team hearing him, and if we ourselves cannot put up at least that 20, then expect a fully justifiable cascade of criticism. Having said that, I expect our O to put up that 30+ in this game and KC to get sent home unceremoniously packing. GO BILLS!!! Well obviously the more of those guys that play the better our chances. If Douglas, Taron and Bernard all play I feel pretty good about the Bills. The more of those 3 that miss the more even I think this game becomes. And the reason for that is the specific match ups in the football game. Where do I think they favour the Bills: 1. I think we should be able to run the ball some on the Chiefs and stay in good down and distance. I think the plan vs the Steelers of a balanced attack is probably the plan here. 2. I think our outside corners, especially if Douglas is up, should be able to limit the Kansas City receivers and make enough of the catches contested to challenge their questionable separation skills and hands. 3. I think Kincaid and Knox can really threaten their safeties down the seam. Again what we did last week seems to be a template for this game there too. Where do I think they favour the Chiefs: 1. Certainly since mid-season when Leonard Floyd cooled off the Bills pass rush has gone as Ed Oliver has gone. He has been critical. And the Chiefs interior OL - GCG - is about the best in the league. Our edge guys have the advantage on their tackles but they gotta show me they cab make it count. 2. Their corners against our receivers. Sneed has had some success against Diggs before albeit at home where he might have got away with a holding call or two. But McDuffie inside will have a role against Shakir and potentially even on Kincaid and that is advantage them. If they can take Diggs and Kincaid away and try and make the Bills win with Sherfield, Knox and Shakir that becomes scary. 3. Depending on how healthy our second level is - so MLB, WLB, Nickel - I worry about Kelce, Pacheco and CEH there. They are really the guys they can rely on - especially the first two. If you guaranteed me we have Bernard, Dodson and Taron I worry less about this. It isn't about stats on what they have or haven't done against other teams or what we have or haven't done against other teams it is about the Xs and Os of how these two teams match up. That is the NFL. I think if we are healthy enough on defense (especially 2nd level) we have the advantage. But if we are banged up there then I definitely see a way the Chiefs score high 20s at least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 7 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: The only coach I can really think of that had great regular season success and some but not a lot of playoff success that was fired is Marty schottenheimer and his playoff record was a heck of a lot worse than 5-6 lol historically this would be a near unheard of firing. People will say dungy but really that’s evidence we should keep McDermott honestly…gruden won a superbowl with dungys players that dungy likely wouldve won himself and when he finally wrestled control away from dungys guys he promptly ran the franchise straight into the ground 😂. They thought they had parcells lined up who changed his mind and they got stuck with gruden. Then, the raiders were having no regular or postseason success and dungy won a superbowl with a different team thats the danger for me, if you could line up a new coach before firing your current coach then yea its a much easier discussion. But the way it works the odds are high the guy you want chooses a different team and you’re out a pretty good head coach that has perennially given you a shot to win it all. the whole ‘we haven’t won a Super Bowl yet what do we have to lose’ argument makes no sense to me…there’s a lot to lose I don't see how he's perennially given us a shot to win it all though. We got blown out in the AFCCG 3 years ago, he himself choked away 2021 with 13 seconds, we got blown out last year, and if we lose this Sunday that would be 3 straight exits in the Divisional Round, which with an elite QB is a huge disappointment. This isn't a guy that's been knocking on the door of winning it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 5 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Maybe they will bring in a coach that will practice on bye weeks? That way the rest of the NFL knows were are serious about winning. Or, practices at least some on the frozen field where the team will play on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazinBill Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, transient said: "Jumping off the wagon" suggests that a "bandwagon fan" is no longer rooting for or supporting a team. I'm not suggesting that all people behaved sanely... I'm not suggesting that I behaved sanely... and I'm not suggesting that there weren't a few people who actually did "jump off the wagon", but I don't think that was the general reaction. I'm typically fairly level-headed, but after that Denver loss and then the Eagles loss, I was... and may still be, depending on the results moving forward... on board with coaching changes. Others had stronger points of view... expressed with varying degrees of negativity and sanity. You may call my and other's points of view irrational, wrong, etc... and you may make points that some consider valid... but at the end of the day it is in no way indicative of me or others jumping off the wagon. Now, if it was one of the classic "I'm soooo done with this team" posts and the person meant it, then, yes, there would appear to be a new open seat on the wagon. Rereading my earlier post I can concede and say that I was wrong to state majority of fans here- that's my mistake- it's not a majority - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 5 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: Did Shnowman just take a shot at Britney (Josh's Ex)? They asked about Josh and he said "I don't know what's different but when he leaves his house and comes to work he's happy. Whatever it is, whether it's talking to his parents or talking to his girl, whatever it is, he's different now." i was trying to figure that out as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 11 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Spend 18 minutes of your day to listen to Dion Dawkins talk When a lot of people were putting him down in the offseason... This man is a true professional.. a humble human being.. wise... A great person... And a tremendous football player He always gets better as the year goes on which is the Hallmark of a true professional player... Tons start hot and end soft Dion always plays his best late in the year And the way he speaks and his outlook on life is tremendous which I put to Sean McDermott in drafting him He truly is an amazing person and I'm thankful he is a Buffalo Bill Go Bills Without saying it, he all but said, Josh's personal life last year had a major impact on him and this year it is having the opposite effect. I think we can all read between the lines what this means. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 10 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Technically, Whaley was the GM. But if you look at the 2017 Draft - the way in which it was handled, the type of players selected, and how quickly Whaley was let go after the Draft - it's pretty clear it was at most, just Whaley's board with McDermott selecting the guys he wanted. Lol. Even if true, "The board" is where all the work is. McDermott was hired 3 months before the draft as a first time head coach. He had no idea who Dion Dawkins was until he saw Whaley's board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 26 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: i was trying to figure that out as well. I took it that way too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 12 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Spend 18 minutes of your day to listen to Dion Dawkins talk When a lot of people were putting him down in the offseason... This man is a true professional.. a humble human being.. wise... A great person... And a tremendous football player He always gets better as the year goes on which is the Hallmark of a true professional player... Tons start hot and end soft Dion always plays his best late in the year And the way he speaks and his outlook on life is tremendous which I put to Sean McDermott in drafting him He truly is an amazing person and I'm thankful he is a Buffalo Bill Go Bills Does he get better as the season goes on because he uses the season to get into shape? I am asking for a friend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 19 Author Share Posted January 19 Just now, Prospector said: Does he get better as the season goes on because he uses the season to get into shape? I am asking for a friend Literally everybody overblew his fitness level in training camp He Gets better as the season goes along because he finds a groove and gets into a routine There is a such thing as peaking too early... Everybody is trying to peek in December and January Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Literally everybody overblew his fitness level in training camp He Gets better as the season goes along because he finds a groove and gets into a routine There is a such thing as peaking too early... Everybody is trying to peek in December and January OK, that could be a possibility Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 19 Author Share Posted January 19 21 minutes ago, Prospector said: OK, that could be a possibility It's Like a boxer You can't stay in fighting shape 365 days a year... Not physically possible or healthy It's why they have camps and work into fighting shape... Trying to peak at the fight time Football players are the same way... You're trying to peak at the right time because it's a grind of a season... And plateauing is real If you're playing your best football week 1.. you will be plateaued by January Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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