JerseyBills Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 12 hours ago, HappyDays said: I really hope this is the case. Then at least there is hope for Diggs to return to form next year. My fear is that he has either lost some of his edge or his physical abilities have declined suddenly, or both. Same. It has to be some injury, he was as elite as ever for the first few games, you don't nose dive that fast. Still over 100 rec , will finish over 1100 , possibly 1200 yards. Look at his snap counts, I believe he's on somewhat of a pitch count Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessImproverMan Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 1 minute ago, Dopey said: It’s not just Diggs. It starts with the QB and a lot of Bills fans are afraid to say Josh is off too. Surprise, surprise. Josh has been off lately. I think it started when he turned the ball over FOUR TIMES when he lost the Jets game. But hey, let’s keep excusing him for his play. One valid criticism of Allen is he doesn't seem to be a film junkie like the elites (Brady, Manning, etc) were. You could tell Brady and Manning both lived and breathed football. Brady basically divorced two women over football when they threatened to get in the way of it, which I do respect quite a bit (if fans are making your hundreds of millions of dollars in income possible, don't let anything come between you and the game I say). Allen spent the off-season golfing and hooking up. It has to be one reason why Belichick's defense had Allen flustered quite a bit (along with the issues of lack of receiver separation and lack of consistent pass protection). Brady and Manning were so great at getting the ball out in 2 seconds to an open guy to minimize a pass rush, often throwing to guys who were not true number one receivers. Allen seems to lack that ability to dink and dunk down the field in 2 seconds chunk throws like they did. Allen has more highlight splash plays and does a lot more with his feet to make him a very good QB but could do better studying film more and telling his woman to screw off if she gets in the way of that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) 13 hours ago, BananaB said: At this point last year we had Diggs, Davis, McKenzie and Shakir. Beane had to go get Brown and Beasley because of the struggles. Now we have Diggs, Davis and Shakir. Harty and Sherfield combined are less valuable than McKenzie alone at this point. Beane cheaped out like he always does on offense. and Kincaid.. Cheaped out? Invested a 1st and 2 2nd rders on O the last 2 years. Solidified the OL. Paid Harty who many thought would take on that John Brown role.. Drafted Shakir as well , who is looking better every game Edited January 1 by JerseyBills 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlbills13 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Things we need More Shakir More Cook in the pass game Fournette More Kincaid Obviously you can't have all that on every down but you can do some of it 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) 4 hours ago, balln said: Yea I see diggs did similar thing in chargers. He looks like a pouty B word out there. I think he’s a sociopath. I wouldn’t put it past him that he is subtly sabotaging / trying to make coaches and Josh look bad Some people here look like pouty b word. Sociopath?!?😂😂 Edited January 1 by Dopey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 11 hours ago, balln said: 30 year old wall. Was bound to happen So he was like WR2 or 3 in the league the 1st 6vweeks and just suddenly takes this massive nose dive? I don't buy it, as a betting man, I'd bet the house he is dealing with something, which in turn , drastically effects our pass game 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 13 hours ago, Drew21PA said: Well to be fair answer is easy on two of them 1 rbis patriots defense is actually REALLY GOOD 2 Dallas game we didn’t need to throw we ran all over them. josh was off out west but we never travel out west and win so I’ll take it Agree. There’s nothing wrong. We just ran into a gauntlet. Great offense is back for Miami. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 4 hours ago, balln said: Yea I see diggs did similar thing in chargers. He looks like a pouty B word out there. I think he’s a sociopath. I wouldn’t put it past him that he is subtly sabotaging / trying to make coaches and Josh look bad talk about going off the deep end on conspiracy theories. I have an open mind and love to research conspiracies but this is way to far out there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 1 minute ago, JerseyBills said: talk about going off the deep end on conspiracy theories. I have an open mind and love to research conspiracies but this is way to far out there Weird projection. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 7 minutes ago, ProcessImproverMan said: One valid criticism of Allen is he doesn't seem to be a film junkie like the elites (Brady, Manning, etc) were. You could tell Brady and Manning both lived and breathed football. Brady basically divorced two women over football when they threatened to get in the way of it, which I do respect quite a bit (if fans are making your hundreds of millions of dollars in income possible, don't let anything come between you and the game I say). Allen spent the off-season golfing and hooking up. It has to be one reason why Belichick's defense had Allen flustered quite a bit (along with the issues of lack of receiver separation and lack of consistent pass protection). Brady and Manning were so great at getting the ball out in 2 seconds to an open guy to minimize a pass rush, often throwing to guys who were not true number one receivers. Allen seems to lack that ability to dink and dunk down the field in 2 seconds chunk throws like they did. Allen has more highlight splash plays and does a lot more with his feet to make him a very good QB but could do better studying film more and telling his woman to screw off if she gets in the way of that. That first paragraph is where I stood after last season and during the offseason. I think he’s seen this and is a more mature Josh. He’s still behind and catching up on the film study part. JMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 The most frustrating thing is the red zone passing game. I get jealous watching KC because they always scheme something up where if Mahomes gets more than 2.5 seconds someone is open by 2-3 yards in the end zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Additional points I’lll add is there is ZERO creativity. Where are the misdirection plays, QB rollouts, naked bootlegs, TE shuttle passes to Knox? It’s been far too much shotgun out of the pocket with poor route design. Josh gets pressured, then the offense turns into backyard football with Josh making an unscripted play far too often. Rolling out Josh puts so much pressure on the D. Do the LB’s come up to stop Josh from running or stay back in coverage. It’s a no win situation for them and I’m stunned why we don’t leverage it more. It seemed like in the first qtr, Brady didn’t have an answer in the passing game so let’s just run Josh. For whatever reason, the OC and QB refuse to just take the easy stuff. It doesn’t need to be this difficult. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 It seems like Kincaid almost disappeared when Knox returned. Kincaid is just a better option in the passing game and cutting his targets is a problem. Diggs and Davis have disappeared except for a few flashes. Looking around the league its depressing how many dynamic receivers there are making amazing catches and finding the open spaces in the D while the Bills currently lack that element. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 16 minutes ago, stlbills13 said: Things we need More Shakir More Cook in the pass game Fournette More Kincaid Obviously you can't have all that on every down but you can do some of it Kincaid at 55% snap count is too low, agree. Murray playing 19 snaps (over Ty Johnson at 13) is too much. Even James Cook at 55%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 3 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said: Additional points I’lll add is there is ZERO creativity. Where are the misdirection plays, QB rollouts, naked bootlegs, TE shuttle passes to Knox? It’s been far too much shotgun out of the pocket with poor route design. Josh gets pressured, then the offense turns into backyard football with Josh making an unscripted play far too often. Rolling out Josh puts so much pressure on the D. Do the LB’s come up to stop Josh from running or stay back in coverage. It’s a no win situation for them and I’m stunned why we don’t leverage it more. It seemed like in the first qtr, Brady didn’t have an answer in the passing game so let’s just run Josh. For whatever reason, the OC and QB refuse to just take the easy stuff. It doesn’t need to be this difficult. That’s Josh, not the OC. Actually, not Dorsey either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 13 hours ago, HappyDays said: We've never had play designs to get Diggs open. He has done that himself with elite route running. This year he simply doesn't have it. Every passing offense needs someone you can rely on when other things aren't working. We don't have anybody to rely on consistently right now. I would argue that Shakir could be the guy. Has sticky hands, often catches the less than perfect passes and looks clutch on third and medium to long. He may not be a WR1, but he's the best according to my eye test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Just now, SydneyBillsFan said: I would argue that Shakir could be the guy. Has sticky hands, often catches the less than perfect passes and looks clutch on third and medium to long. He may not be a WR1, but he's the best according to my eye test. He’s young and ascending. All other Bills WRs have plateaued (Diggs, Davis) or are in decline (Sherfield, Harty). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 5 minutes ago, Dopey said: That’s Josh, not the OC. Actually, not Dorsey either. Though the Bills need an OC who can sit down with Josh and mentally beat that into him. They haven't had one to date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 39 minutes ago, stlbills13 said: Things we need More Shakir More Cook in the pass game Fournette More Kincaid Obviously you can't have all that on every down but you can do some of it I agree with this, frustrating to hear we need to get it to Diggs. If he's open yes, if not don't force it to him. It's a team game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 I don’t disagree with taking more of the easy stuff but both Cook and Murray dropped easy balls.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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