FireChans Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, mannc said: Ok, fair enough. But did the Bills have a policy regarding such gifts? Given the amount of money the players have, if the organization was concerned about the real or perceived conflict of interest created by gifts like this, then you would expect there to be a "no gift" policy, or a limit on such gifts. Policies like that are common in corporate America... do they need to have a policy? Honestly, have we ever heard of other teams banding together to give their position coaches lavish gifts? I haven’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Hopefully you catch the bastards!! We're thinking about a white highland mix that has the midget gene... Too much work, too much trouble, too expensive. If you're north of the mason Dixon: black baldies, Angus are fine. If you're south: simmental, Hereford, or Charolais Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 1 minute ago, FireChans said: do they need to have a policy? Honestly, have we ever heard of other teams banding together to give their position coaches lavish gifts? I haven’t. No, they don't need to have such a policy, but they should if they want to prevent that sort of thing from happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 5 hours ago, beer can shower said: Of course, Andy Dalton's pass ended the Bills drought. Had that pass not been caught the Bills would not have been in the playoffs. It's not nonsense, it's a fact. The Bills winning the amount of games against the teams they did ended the drought. Why is that one random play the only thing that matters in the entire season? Why not any of the other game winning TDs from our offense or turnovers from our defense? Why not any of the other teams that beat the Ravens that season? They all count the same in the standings. If any of OUR game winning scores or stops didn't happen we don't make the playoffs. If any other team that beat the Ravens lost instead of won, we don't make the playoffs. If one of the teams the Ravens beat instead beat the Ravens, Dalton's heroics aren't even relevant because we're already in the playoffs anyways. Stop with the defeatist nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 18 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: This isn’t exactly corporate America either. That gift was the equivalent of a normal supervisor getting a Christmas gift. Not to mention all of his employees make waaaaaaay more than he does. The corporate/office analogy is not a good one. Sorry @HardyBoy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 1 minute ago, mannc said: No, they don't need to have such a policy, but they should if they want to prevent that sort of thing from happening. I guess what I’m saying is its probably a pretty unique scenario. It would be hard to anticipate. Because we’ve never seen it before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 There's an old story that goes something like this... A king brought a bunch of blind men together and had his servants guide them to an elephant. The king asked them to describe what they found. One touched a leg and groped it for a moment. "It's like a tree trunk." Another blind man grabbed hold of the trunk. "No, you idiot. It's like a thick snake." A third blind man felt the ear. "What are you two liars talking about? It seems to be some kind of fan." The fourth blind man fondled the tail. "You are all morons. It's a rope." The fifth blind man touched the tusk and said it was hard and smooth like a spear. Soon the blind men were wildly fighting over their disagreement. Dunne may have some piece of the truth. But it's not the whole truth and there are other perspectives. And we're all blind men blindly throwing punches at each other. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: Michael Jackson is the answer you give if you don't have an answer. Frank Sinatra is the answer you give if you want to be trendy and cool in your 20's. I'm skeptical that Sean McDermott has ever listened to music in his life. We know he's never laughed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 13 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: Frank Sinatra is the answer you give if you want to be trendy and cool in your 20's. Actually a couple/few years ago he supposedly switched his pregame headphone music to Sinatra to help calm himself before games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Not to mention all of his employees make waaaaaaay more than he does. The corporate/office analogy is not a good one. Sorry @HardyBoy Um, rich people bribe super low level beaurocrats all the time, I'm confused how it matters how much money someone is making...they are giving a decision maker who is a gatekeeper to their future earnings not just a gift of value, but of significant value. It can be a perceived quid pro quo and even if it's not the case, if it's perceived that is a conflict of interest and is an issue, potentially an issue with significant monetary consequences Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, HardyBoy said: Exactly, I would be really upset as a CEO if that happened. It doesn't make what the source said untrue, but it makes it very obvious the source does not understand the big picture or what might be going through McDs head when he's acting the way he's acting...the source said it was because McD was jealous, when it likely has nothing at all to do with that. It raises a lot of questions on if the sources have the proper big picture view to understand the motivations behind McDs behavior and maybe them not understanding the true reason for it...it's concerning in terms of trusting the article Thank you for pointing this out. I acknowledge I haven't read the entire article and I'm not gonna subscribe to do so. But from what's been quoted and brought out, there's a weird gamish: 1) stuff that factually happened (9/11 as teamwork example, McDermott upset about Hall having a WR get together at Hall's house during covid and WR having such friendly feelings towards Hall that they gifted him a truck) 2) the interpretation the sources placed on things that happened (McDermott dunked on Hall for getting a truck because according to the source, McDermott is personally incapable of having close relationships with players and jealous of coaches who can) I don't think Dunne is making stuff up, and I think the stuff that he says happened, probably happened in some form. I think the interpretations placed on it, may or may not have veracity or be heavily skewed by the choice of sources. Edited December 9, 2023 by Beck Water 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 I need a cliff notes version of this thread 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 15 minutes ago, boyst said: Too much work, too much trouble, too expensive. If you're north of the mason Dixon: black baldies, Angus are fine. If you're south: simmental, Hereford, or Charolais You'd probably like some Corb Lund. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Does anyone think he still would survive this if this story had come out before the stadium deal was signed? Absolutely not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, Simon said: Actually a couple/few years ago he supposedly switched his pregame headphone music to Sinatra to help calm himself before games. Ya, I remember hearing that a couple years ago. I also listened to Frank in my 20's. I wasn't really speaking about Josh originally. If we wanted an example of a guy that can easily relate to others he's it. It's who he is. He probably does it so well he has a difficult time being the type of alpha leader many want. I feel as if McD is the opposite. He's doesn't relate to people the best and he's probably a bit of a prick. Beliichick is basically the same type of person in my view. So that alone doesn't mean everything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, HardyBoy said: Um, rich people bribe super low level beaurocrats all the time, I'm confused how it matters how much money someone is making...they are giving a decision maker who is a gatekeeper to their future earnings not just a gift of value, but of significant value. It can be a perceived quid pro quo and even if it's not the case, if it's perceived that is a conflict of interest and is an issue, potentially an issue with significant monetary consequences Oh give me a break. The entire WR unit contributed to the gift. Save your lawyer speak for things that actually matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 The drama of this season has felt like PEAK Bills drought era level...I didn't have the Bills winning the Super Bowl this year but Yikes I didn't see things unraveling like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Oh give me a break. The entire WR unit contributed to the gift. Save your lawyer speak for things that actually matter. Huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, major said: I need a cliff notes version of this thread 😂 Terrorist's wouldn't cut corners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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