Tyler Dunne story on McDermott - 3 parts, 25 interviews, one damning conclusion

[GoBills808]

13 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

Um, rich people bribe super low level beaurocrats all the time, I'm confused how it matters how much money someone is making...they are giving a decision maker who is a gatekeeper to their future earnings not just a gift of value, but of significant value. 

 

It can be a perceived quid pro quo and even if it's not the case, if it's perceived that is a conflict of interest and is an issue, potentially an issue with significant monetary consequences 

Trying to say that it's reasonable to assume the truck was a bribe from the wideouts to their position coach in order to absolve McDermott is really wild

[Simon]

12 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Terrorist's wouldn't cut corners 

 

I cannot find the right emoji for this.

 

[Warcodered]

10 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Thank you for pointing this out.

 

I acknowledge I haven't read the entire article and I'm not gonna subscribe to do so. 

 

But from what's been quoted and brought out, there's a weird gamish:

1) stuff that factually happened (9/11 as teamwork example, McDermott upset about Hall having a WR get together at Hall's house during covid and WR having such friendly feelings towards Hall that they gifted him a truck)

2) the interpretation the sources placed on things that happened (McDermott dunked on Hall for getting a truck because according to the source, McDermott is personally incapable of having close relationships with players and jealous of coaches who can)

 

I don't think Dunne is making stuff up, and I think the stuff that he says happened, probably happened in some form.

 

I think the interpretations placed on it, may or may not have veracity or be heavily skewed by the choice of sources.

 

Yeah there is plenty of spinning of things in the article to frame it in a specific way. When it gets into the post 13 seconds game talking about him putting blame other places and not taking accountability. Which to be fair if a lot of that was said that's not a great look, but the way that part ends with him saying the last thing he told players was to reflect and to think about what they could do so you wouldn't be in this situation again, that one isn't bad. That's a standard the season didn't end how we wanted and we're headed into the offseason thing to say. But that's not how it's framed.

4 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I cannot find the right emoji for this.....

😬

[QCity]

18 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

they are giving a decision maker who is a gatekeeper to their future earnings not just a gift of value, but of significant value. 

 

 

Chad Hall is the gatekeeper to Stefon Diggs' future earnings?

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, Success said:

Coaches are pretty nutty in general.  And we want them to be to an extent - we want them to be obsessive, and live this stuff 24x7, which takes a certain kind of person.

 

If they win, it's all okay.  When they don't, it's not.  If won a SB the 13 seconds year, and were in line for the 1 seed right now, none of this would be much of a thing.

 

 

Exactly.  Consider Andy Reid.  According to some Philly fan friends, back in 2007 when a judge was sentencing his sons Garrett and Britt to jail and referring to Reid's home as a "Drug Emporium" and the Reids as a "family in crisis", the word about Reid was "not good enough" as a HC.  After all, between 2001 and 2004 when the Eagles lost 3 conference championships and a Superbowl, 2 of the 3 conf. losses were Thumpings and the SB loss showed Reid had poor gameday management and just couldn't Git 'Er Done.  Now they knew why: his home life was a mess and he failed as a father. 

 

It was controversial (according to my friend) that Reid was retained, especially when the Eagles went 8-8 that year and 9-6-1 the next (and lost another conf. champ).

 

Then there was the year the Reid-coached Chiefs lost in the playoffs AGAIN, and Dungy pronounced "the Kansas City Chiefs may win a championship, but it won't be with Andy Reid as their coach"

 

Winning changes everything

 

 

[HardyBoy]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Trying to say that it's reasonable to assume the truck was a bribe from the wideouts to their position coach in order to absolve McDermott is really wild

 

You're missing the point, it can be perceived as such, that is all that matters...and that's not laughable, it's totally plausible that a player might try that... maybe pay for a coach's kid's private school...I don't think for a second the truck was given as a bribe, but again it could be perceived that way and especially if that type of thing is normalized within an organization, it eventually will happen.

 

But i can look up the exact FCPA laws, but I'm pretty positive they simply require a perceived conflict of interest to start causing issues

[GoBills808]

Just now, HardyBoy said:

 

You're missing the point, it can be perceived as such, that is all that matters...and that's not laughable, it's totally plausible that a player might try that... maybe pay for a coach's kid's private school...I don't think for a second the truck was given as a bribe, but again it could be perceived that way and especially if that type of thing is normalized within an organization, it eventually will happen.

 

But i can look up the exact FCPA laws, but I'm pretty positive they simply require a perceived conflict of interest to start causing issues

Bananas dude

 

You're spinning 

[HardyBoy]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Bananas dude

 

You're spinning 

 

Except I'm very much not and if I was in McDs position I would be pissed as well.

[Buffalo Super Fan]

27 minutes ago, BillsSbSoon said:

If you think over the years we’ve been getting screwed by bad officiating before, wait till you see what probably happens now. Dunne is a punk for putting out this hit piece, but Sean said what he said and admitted it. And just embarassed the organization in a really bad way. He needs to go it doesn’t seem likes it’s recoverable. 

The Buffalo Bills Sean McDermott handling it created more of a problem and it’s a major flaw with him as a head coach. He needs to be like New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick mumble and say absolutely nothing to any of the media. That is the difference between how a Super Bowl winning coach handles the media and Sean McDermott. Second Tyler Dunne should be welcomed with a Buffalo Bills press pass the other 31 NFL teams gave him one but treat him like everyone else the enemy and the Bills organization would be fine. Part of that is the flaw in Bills and Sabres owner Terry Pegula he is very thin skinned and petty man which makes things worse in the long term. Not giving Tyler Dunne a Bills press pass he had for years before is pretty and vindicated the Bills organization looks like incompetent fools. Hire Bill Belichick the Buffalo sports media and the Bills owner and organization needs that badly he knows how to run a organization nothing would get out of the Bills organization but what Bill Belichick wants to get out wonderful coach a winner hire him. Whatever the cost in compensation to acquire him from the New England Patriots in the offseason before the Bills waste Josh Allen’s talent anymore in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[Warcodered]

7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Trying to say that it's reasonable to assume the truck was a bribe from the wideouts to their position coach in order to absolve McDermott is really wild

 

2 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

Chad Hall is the gatekeeper to Stefon Diggs' future earnings?

Everybody is missing the damn point, he's the WR Coach, it's his job to get up in their faces too not just be their buddy.

[Simon]

8 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

😬

 

It's more of a stiffly pinching the bridge of your nose to hold in a chortle sort of thing.

[HardyBoy]

Anyone else think there is a reason people don't buy coaches trucks? The source said he's never seen that before... you think that's because no coaches were ever super well liked by players? 

 

This isn't them tipping the support staff in the organization at the end of the season...a position coach has a ton of input on how a season goes for a player and subsequently their career and future contracts.

[Mikie2times]

Just now, HardyBoy said:

 

Except I'm very much not and if I was in McDs position I would be pissed as well.

An entire position group decides to buy a WR coach who probably makes less than most directors a present, because he's awesome, and instead of being proud of that coach or expressing behind closed doors a potential conflict, we can just justify him raining hell down for the day and being a complete prick to that coach as well as others.

 

Bra.....off the hill on this one.   

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

Except I'm very much not and if I was in McDs position I would be pissed as well.

And Chad Hall leaving in a lateral move was just a coincidence right

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

Everybody is missing the damn point, he's the WR Coach, it's his job to get up in their faces too not just be their buddy.

No, we see the point. If you have nothing but pricks as coaches you won't get the best out of anybody. It's a balancing act. 

[BillsPride12]

11 hours ago, BillsPride12 said:

Tyler Dunne was on the Shred and Ragan show this morning to discuss this piece and offered some more insights as well.  It was an interesting listen and I would assume will probably be available to listen to as a podcast on the 97 Rock website at some point by today.  He also talked about how although they don't hate each other there is definitely a huge disconnect between McDermott and Allen but also said Josh just doesn't have the personality to vocally call McDermott out but there are other guys in the Bills locker room that have told him he should.

 

For what it's worth after Dunne hung up, Ragan mentioned he has a contact inside the organization that he reached out to after the piece was written to get his thoughts on if the portrayal was accurate to which his contact replied "Dead Center Accurate" 

https://omny.fm/shows/the-shredd-ragan-show-daily-podcast/shredd-ragan-podcast-friday-tyler-dunne-on-the-buf

 

Here's the link for anybody interested

[FLFan]

If you were actually trying to find a more biased, self interested, uninformed source of information than Tyler Dunne you literally could not.  

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Mikie2times said:

No, we see the point. If you have nothing but pricks as coaches you won't get the best out of anybody. It's a balancing act. 

Yeah of course it is, there's nothing wrong with your players liking you, but there does need to be a degree of separation because of the difference in your roles.

[Mikie2times]

Just now, Warcodered said:

Yeah of course it is, there's nothing wrong with your players liking you, but there does need to be a degree of separation because of the difference in your roles.

I'm not going to assume that line was crossed because a group of guys coordinated to do something special. 

[LABILLBACKER]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

The Buffalo Bills Sean McDermott handling it created more of a problem and it’s a major flaw with him as a head coach. He needs to be like New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick mumble and say absolutely nothing to any of the media. That is the difference between how a Super Bowl winning coach handles the media and Sean McDermott. Second Tyler Dunne should be welcomed with a Buffalo Bills press pass the other 31 NFL teams gave him one but treat him like everyone else the enemy and the Bills organization would be fine. Part of that is the flaw in Bills and Sabres owner Terry Pegula he is very thin skinned and petty man which makes things worse in the long term. Not giving Tyler Dunne a Bills press pass he had for years before is pretty and vindicated the Bills organization looks like incompetent fools. Hire Bill Belichick the Buffalo sports media and the Bills owner and organization needs that badly he knows how to run a organization nothing would get out of the Bills organization but what Bill Belichick wants to get out wonderful coach a winner hire him. Whatever the cost in compensation to acquire him from the New England Patriots in the offseason before the Bills waste Josh Allen’s talent anymore in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

Bill is an amazing legendary defensive strategist.  But giving up a 1st round pick and paying him way more than Ben Johnson would require is utter nonsense.  Bill Belichick is a terrible talent evaluator (gm) and knows nothing more about offensive structure than McDermott.  Now if Bill in writing promised to promote Brady as OC and let Beane do his job, then I'd be on board.  Beli doesn't blow games late defensively.