Von Miller faces arrest in domestic violence case in Dallas

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Wasn't Miller given this the first time he was investigated for similar episode in 2021?

 

How many bites of that apple does he deserve?

 

Er....

 

seriously, WEO?

[TheyCallMeAndy]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

Araiza was cut by the team.

 

NFL players are "employed at will", the team can cut them at any time (and bear contractual consequences)

 

Araiza was not disciplined or suspended by the team or the NFL.

 

 

 

 

He also lied to the club which didn’t help his cause. 

[PlayoffsPlease]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Maybe you misunderstood. My point is that if he’s gone through due process, it seems like that would void any impact on the team’s cap. Whereas his individual contract would depend on what the terms of that contract require. 

I am pretty sure the individual contracts follow a form. The salary cap works the same for all of them. If the contract needs to be paid, the salary cap needs to be respected. You rolls the dice on a guaranteed contract, and you you pays the bank if you crap out. 

3 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Araiza was cut by the team.

 

NFL players are "employed at will", the team can cut them at any time (and bear contractual consequences)

 

Araiza was not disciplined or suspended by the team or the NFL.

 

 

 

 

Do you think he is being fairly considered to fill punter roles at this point? Or do you think there is some collusion against him? If not why has he not gotten a second chance?

[John from Riverside]

I just wonder what fans’s opinions would be if he was actually performing

[Saxum]

Subject should be updated - he was arrested with claim by victim "No one assaulted anyone,"

 

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/buffalo-bills-nfl-von-miller-faces-arrest-in-dallas-texas-domestic-violence-case/287-2904617b-5d0d-4252-a321-28d8f61807f0

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"We’re fine," she wrote. "Things were blown way out of context. This is actually outrageous!"

 

She called the incident "a huge misunderstanding" and described it as "a verbal disagreement." 

 

"No one assaulted anyone," she texted. "This is insane. And sad."

 

She may choose  to recant what she said to dispatcher. 

 

I knew someone who I worked with who had argument with wife and she made call to 911.  

He had a security clearance and had it suspended which resulted him being suspended rather than fired from threat of lawsuit by laywer.

Wife recanted what she said on 911 saying she was distraught. 

Charges were pursued with comments that wife was under pressure to recant.

Firm hired by laywer's company found a tape showing incident and it was submitted in court.

Charges were dismissed and there was discussion of him filing suit against police department for false charges and failure to make sufficient effort not finding tape.

Prosecutor asked judge to declare him innocent (not just dismissing charges) and jury gave verdict of innocent.

He got his job back (but a different) with pressure from law firm but agency granted security did not reactivate clearance.

Company reapplied for clearance for man and after another investigation of background he finally got it back.

Without that tape he would be likely have been charged guilty.

 

Verbal evidence, even 911 tape evidence, can be wrong. 

Statements can be misinterpreted and written down as fact which is an issue I have had in past. 

 

[Beck Water]

40 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

Do you think he is being fairly considered to fill punter roles at this point? Or do you think there is some collusion against him? If not why has he not gotten a second chance?

 

With all respect, I really don't want to pull the thread into Araiza discussion Part 326 so I'm not going to respond about him again.

[Saxum]

On 12/2/2023 at 10:04 AM, Dubie54 said:

I would think that his contract has a clause in it which allows the Bills to walk away and limit their cap exposure significantly. If not, that’s on the Bills FO. You don’t sign a guy with a checkered history to a deal that big without protection.

 

If Jim Overdorf is involved there will not be a clause.

[Herc11]

4 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

Ohh great, an Araiza apologist gracing themselves in this long, long thread 🙄

 

Unfortunately the virtue signaling community rears its ugly head also.....

Apologist or just speaking facts? 

 

Dude was labeled by people like you, despite the overwhelming lack of evidence and evidence supporting him.

 

Keep your pitchfork mob mentality up, looks good on you.

4 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Araiza was cut by the team.

 

NFL players are "employed at will", the team can cut them at any time (and bear contractual consequences)

 

Araiza was not disciplined or suspended by the team or the NFL.

 

 

 

 

Araiza was cut because of the pitchfork mob mentality that doesn't have the capacity to wait for things to be settled. You know, that American concept we pride ourselves on, innocent until proven guilty. 

 

The Bills prematurely took action on him to save face from these people.

 

Him being cut WAS a penalty. The loss of income and career absolutely derailed along with his reputation is quite an injustice.

Edited December 6, 2023 by Herc11

[Dr.Sack]

6 minutes ago, Herc11 said:

Apologist or just speaking facts? 

 

Dude was labeled by people like you, despite the overwhelming lack of evidence and evidence supporting him.

 

Keep your pitchfork mob mentality up, looks good on you.

Araiza was cut because of the pitchfork mob mentality that doesn't have the capacity to wait for things to be settled. You know, that American concept we pride ourselves on, innocent until proven guilty. 

 

The Bills prematurely took action on him to save face from these people

I can give you $100m reasons this will play out differently. I suspect Von plays unless the NFL intervenes. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

43 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

Subject should be updated - he was arrested with claim by victim "No one assaulted anyone,"

 

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/buffalo-bills-nfl-von-miller-faces-arrest-in-dallas-texas-domestic-violence-case/287-2904617b-5d0d-4252-a321-28d8f61807f0

 

She may choose  to recant what she said to dispatcher. 

 

I knew someone who I worked with who had argument with wife and she made call to 911.  

He had a security clearance and had it suspended which resulted him being suspended rather than fired from threat of lawsuit by laywer.

Wife recanted what she said on 911 saying she was distraught. 

Charges were pursued with comments that wife was under pressure to recant.

Firm hired by laywer's company found a tape showing incident and it was submitted in court.

Charges were dismissed and there was discussion of him filing suit against police department for false charges and failure to make sufficient effort not finding tape.

Prosecutor asked judge to declare him innocent (not just dismissing charges) and jury gave verdict of innocent.

He got his job back (but a different) with pressure from law firm but agency granted security did not reactivate clearance.

Company reapplied for clearance for man and after another investigation of background he finally got it back.

Without that tape he would be likely have been charged guilty.

 

Verbal evidence, even 911 tape evidence, can be wrong. 

Statements can be misinterpreted and written down as fact which is an issue I have had in past. 

 

I just want to point out it’s never been confirmed WHO sent those texts. 
 

There are official, legal documents with the who/what/where/why/when of the original incident.

7 minutes ago, Herc11 said:

Apologist or just speaking facts? 

 

Dude was labeled by people like you, despite the overwhelming lack of evidence and evidence supporting him.

 

Keep your pitchfork mob mentality up, looks good on you.

Araiza was cut because of the pitchfork mob mentality that doesn't have the capacity to wait for things to be settled. You know, that American concept we pride ourselves on, innocent until proven guilty. 

 

The Bills prematurely took action on him to save face from these people

Yes MA was released due to the massive distraction it was causing, some of it his own doing. He lied to the team regarding that night. Your opinion that it was fueled by anything else is just that. 

[yall]

13 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Don't think so

 

 

I actually don't believe they can.  People keep saying all sorts of things the Bills can do, but I'd be delighted to have a precedent or a reference to some portion of the CBA that allows this.  The team can grant a player who requests it time off for "personal reasons" to deal with a family member's health or death.  The thing is, the player has to request it.

 

 

This has been dealt with and explained multiple times upthread.  If you've read that and you're still unsure, you can try Quora:

https://www.quora.com/Can-you-get-bail-for-a-crime-that-you-havent-been-formally-charged-with-yet

 

Or as I suggested to Muppy upthread, you could google something like "can I be arrested and not charged with a crime?

 

This seems to be a fairly clear explanation

https://www.conyersnix.com/faq/difference-between-an-arrest-charge-and-conviction/

 

 

 

 

Trying to TL;DR:

Arrest: Police detain you on suspicion of committing a criminal act.  May or may not be proceeded by prosecutor filing charges; may not involve prosecutor at all

Charges: Filed by prosecutor.  Arrest may or may not follow; could just issue summons to appear in court to answer to charges

 

In Von's case, he was arrested by police upon presenting probable cause to judge.  Prosecutor has not filed charges (yet).

 

If you are arrested, you have the right to "pray for bail" (which is not a religious move, but an application to the judge) whether or not you've been charged.  This is an important protection Americans have against the habit in some countries of arresting and incarcerating people for indefinite periods of time without charges.

Teams can absolutely and sometimes do suspend players. Violation of team rules, violation of social media policy etc. there's precedent and it's been done before.

 

It needn't only come from the league. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

13 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Araiza was cut by the team.

 

NFL players are "employed at will", the team can cut them at any time (and bear contractual consequences)

 

Araiza was not disciplined or suspended by the team or the NFL.

 

 

 

 

And Terry needs to cut Von and make a statement.

[Mr. WEO]

12 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Er....

 

seriously, WEO?

 

seriously.  I'm not the only one asking.  

 

 

[jaab1028]

I don't think the crowd at Arrowhead will be receptive to Von Miller taking the field Sunday.Take him off the roster and be done with him.Let him pursue his dream of being a GM in the NFL,lol

[SoCal Deek]

12 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

I am pretty sure the individual contracts follow a form. The salary cap works the same for all of them. If the contract needs to be paid, the salary cap needs to be respected. You rolls the dice on a guaranteed contract, and you you pays the bank if you crap out. 

Do you think he is being fairly considered to fill punter roles at this point? Or do you think there is some collusion against him? If not why has he not gotten a second chance?

I obviously disagree. Other players, either current or future, shouldn’t have their wages reduced because a guy who used to be on your team did something that was completely unrelated to football. That is not what the salary cap is there for. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

14 minutes ago, jaab1028 said:

I don't think the crowd at Arrowhead will be receptive to Von Miller taking the field Sunday.Take him off the roster and be done with him.Let him pursue his dream of being a GM in the NFL,lol

Yes, because the players that play at and the fans that cheer at Arrowhead are the beacon of good moral fiber.

[WotAGuy]

19 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I obviously disagree. Other players, either current or future, shouldn’t have their wages reduced because a guy who used to be on your team did something that was completely unrelated to football. That is not what the salary cap is there for. 

How would it reduce wages of other people?  
 

These are the risks of guaranteed contracts and I imagine the owners will fight against your position because it just means they will be paying more in the long run. 

[Bobby Hooks]

Do you think this hurts his chances of being the next GM of the Buffalo Bills? 

[boyst]

2 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said:

Do you think this hurts his chances of being the next GM of the Buffalo Bills? 

it won't phase his HOF election 1 bit, as far as being a GM we have to see how he handles himself in the public eye the next 5-10 years.

[SoCal Deek]

25 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

How would it reduce wages of other people?  
 

These are the risks of guaranteed contracts and I imagine the owners will fight against your position because it just means they will be paying more in the long run. 

Simple. If you have a guy taking money out of the cap, that means other players can’t earn that money. That’s what a CAP is.