8th late-game defensive meltdown this season

[Dan Darragh]

Pat McAfee had this on his show. This is how close we were to 10-2.

 

 

Edited November 28, 2023 by Dan Darragh

[ngbills]

Without Allen we would have had multiple early first round picks and a different head coach. 

[Sestak4ever]

Great coaches inspire their team to have confidence and a “can do” attitude. That’s how you get teams to over achieve. McDermott does none of that. Josh does it for our offense. It’s almost like our guys on defense are afraid to make mistakes. Then post game Josh has to say he needed to play better and do a better job. That’s not fair to Josh, who plays his heart out every game. When is the last time our defense created a much needed turnover at the end of a close game? Good teams do that. Interceptions, fumble recoveries, blocked kicks, etc. You need someone to be the hero on defense. It can be a different guy each time, but someone has to make a play. I think McDermott has lost the locker room and guys no longer believe in his “process”.

[warrior9]

3 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

That’s kind of a self fulfilling prophecy though lol. Nobody would say Josh is elite either if he had the exact stats he’s had the last few years and the team hovered around .500.  It’d be the same ‘he’s got good stats but he’s not a winner/they lose because he turns the ball over’ argument..  

 

Herbert’s got 114tds, 41 ints, about 17k yards passing in his 4 year career.
That’s an average season of 29 passing tds, 10ints, 4250 yards.  
 

Josh is 162tds(passing)/73 ints/21611 in 6 years.

 Averages of 27 passing tds/12 ints/3601 passing yards 

the bills defense has just been way better than the chargers in the regular season the last few years but this year we are full chargering it up by folding on defense with a chance to win every single time 

 

His team is losing more often, hence he throws more.. 

 

Herbert isn't elite until he wins. Josh has won every year minus his first and this (and this year is still TBD). They've tried multiple HC's, multiple OC's etc because Herbert is "elite" and no one can win with him? Ok.... tell me more. 

[JohnNord]

It’s definitely a problem and I truly believe McDermott when he says he doesn’t know why.  Much like the Bills season there doesn’t seem to be a reason why.

 

NYJ - Josh lost this game on turnovers

NE - This was a result of the defense not being able to tackle, committing a costly DPI and flatout sucking

DEN - McDermott was more aggressive here and went with the C0 blitz which resulted in a DPI

PHIL - I’d attribute this more to the scheme and defense than any other the other 3 losses

[Thriftygamer83]

On 11/27/2023 at 10:28 AM, Dablitzkrieg said:

Only McD can manage to "lead" a team to a .500 record with an elite QB 

The Jacksinville game was just such a brutal loss.  Then he gloated to the media in patties he had hosted.  If e concentrated more on the jobs he's hired for and spent less time getting wasted, trahed, and hung over then he might actually be an elite Coach.  All the trembles, shakes, and givers he's had in pressers I'm not unfamiliar with those been sober for sixteen years.  Think it's time to push Joe Brady into becoming head coach.  Otherwise might be looking at a future DUI manslaughter case.  Wash hands of a public relations problem before it blows up. 

[Billsfan1972]

9 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

It’s definitely a problem and I truly believe McDermott when he says he doesn’t know why.  Much like the Bills season there doesn’t seem to be a reason why.

 

NYJ - Josh lost this game on turnovers

NE - This was a result of the defense not being able to tackle, committing a costly DPI and flatout sucking

DEN - McDermott was more aggressive here and went with the C0 blitz which resulted in a DPI

PHIL - I’d attribute this more to the scheme and defense than any other the other 3 losses

Denver 12 men on the field after 2 timeouts.  100% on McD (+PI on a lousy call).

 

Mac Jones beat the Bills 100% on McD.

 

Phil - 2X's D failed. 100% McD.

 

Jax 500 yards offense.  McD's defense didn't get a stop.

 

Cincy - Again 1 stop was needed

 

Edited November 28, 2023 by Billsfan1972

[Thriftygamer83]

1 hour ago, Sestak4ever said:

Great coaches inspire their team to have confidence and a “can do” attitude. That’s how you get teams to over achieve. McDermott does none of that. Josh does it for our offense. It’s almost like our guys on defense are afraid to make mistakes. Then post game Josh has to say he needed to play better and do a better job. That’s not fair to Josh, who plays his heart out every game. When is the last time our defense created a much needed turnover at the end of a close game? Good teams do that. Interceptions, fumble recoveries, blocked kicks, etc. You need someone to be the hero on defense. It can be a different guy each time, but someone has to make a play. I think McDermott has lost the locker room and guys no longer believe in his “process”.

Lost it you are right, media has tuned him out, management, and ownership were talking to him after the loss.  My guess d theye already moved onto Joe Brady bd might be telling McKoormatt his time is tiking down.  

2 hours ago, Dan Darragh said:

Pat McAfee had this on his show. This is how close we were to 10-2.

 

 

Clue less McFloormatt will be pounding many a sideline complaining about how people don't get his elimination process. I do that Japanese system means even those who implement it  get fired too. 

[JohnNord]

Just now, Billsfan1972 said:

Denver 12 men on the field after 2 timeouts.  100% on McD (+PI on a lousy call).

 

Mac Jones beat the Bills 100% on McD.

 

Phil - 2X's D failed. 100% McD.

Explain how the NE loss was a result of scheme or coaching?  Because I watched Rhamondre Stevenson break about every tackle to get NE in striking distance on 1 play.  After that we have a very bad PI and then Dane Jackson was beat badly in coverage.  These are player breakdowns not a coaching one.  
 

As far as Denver, you can certainly blame him for the 12 men.  But the PI wasn’t really his fault.  If Johnson plays that differently it’s not PI.  
 

Not absolving McDermott by any means, but the degree of blame you are putting on him just isn’t correct

[Billsfan1972]

4 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Explain how the NE loss was a result of scheme or coaching?  Because I watched Rhamondre Stevenson break about every tackle to get NE in striking distance on 1 play.  After that we have a very bad PI and then Dane Jackson was beat badly in coverage.  These are player breakdowns not a coaching one.  
 

As far as Denver, you can certainly blame him for the 12 men.  But the PI wasn’t really his fault.  If Johnson plays that differently it’s not PI.  
 

Not absolving McDermott by any means, but the degree of blame you are putting on him just isn’t correct

How do you allow a 30 yard screen on first down.  Bad scheme and play call, that's how.

 

Don't leave TJ on an island.  Better coaching and he isn't flat footed like that.

 

Every game the Defence has blown it.

[dave mcbride]

16 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Explain how the NE loss was a result of scheme or coaching?  Because I watched Rhamondre Stevenson break about every tackle to get NE in striking distance on 1 play.  After that we have a very bad PI and then Dane Jackson was beat badly in coverage.  These are player breakdowns not a coaching one.  
 

As far as Denver, you can certainly blame him for the 12 men.  But the PI wasn’t really his fault.  If Johnson plays that differently it’s not PI.  
 

Not absolving McDermott by any means, but the degree of blame you are putting on him just isn’t correct

Um ... Mac Jones prefers to throw very short passes behind the LOS because his arm sucks and NE is good at running screens. That's literally all they are good at. Expect those plays and scheme against them. 

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Um ... Mac Jones prefers to throw very short passes behind the LOS because his arm sucks and NE is good at running screens. That's literally all they are good at. Expect those plays and scheme against them. 

Mac Jones, who is so bad he's been benched multiple times this season, put up a 9.1ypa on 83% passing vs us

 

it's completely indefensible

[dave mcbride]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Mac Jones, who is so bad he's been benched multiple times this season, put up a 9.1ypa on 83% passing vs us

 

it's completely indefensible

He is the worst starting qb in the league and he put up all-pro numbers in that game. 

[JohnNord]

6 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Um ... Mac Jones prefers to throw very short passes behind the LOS because his arm sucks and NE is good at running screens. That's literally all they are good at. Expect those plays and scheme against them. 

 

Shouldn’t the players on the field know this too the ?  
 

Go back and watch the screen pass.  The defense was in the right position.  The coaching staff can’t make the tackles on the field.  This failure was more on players than coaches.   

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Mac Jones, who is so bad he's been benched multiple times this season, put up a 9.1ypa on 83% passing vs us

 

it's completely indefensible

There are 10 other players in the field.  And about 5 of those Patriots also beat the ***** out of the Bills DL.  Watch the tandem of Jordan Phillips and Tim Settle try to anchor.  It was not pretty.  
 

When your players are missing tackles and getting their ass blown up 1-on-1 there’s little you can do to compensate as a coach.  

[BananaB]

32 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Denver 12 men on the field after 2 timeouts.  100% on McD (+PI on a lousy call).

 

Mac Jones beat the Bills 100% on McD.

 

Phil - 2X's D failed. 100% McD.

 

Jax 500 yards offense.  McD's defense didn't get a stop.

 

Cincy - Again 1 stop was needed

 

The only stop they made in a close game was Giants, and they kind of got rescued by refs there. 

[Billsfan1972]

1 hour ago, BananaB said:

The only stop they made in a close game was Giants, and they kind of got rescued by refs there. 

And that was aftwr allowing them to march down the field 🤪Wow they stopped Tyrod!!!!

Edited November 28, 2023 by Billsfan1972

[dave mcbride]

2 hours ago, JohnNord said:

 

Shouldn’t the players on the field know this too the ?  
 

Go back and watch the screen pass.  The defense was in the right position.  The coaching staff can’t make the tackles on the field.  This failure was more on players than coaches.   

There are 10 other players in the field.  And about 5 of those Patriots also beat the ***** out of the Bills DL.  Watch the tandem of Jordan Phillips and Tim Settle try to anchor.  It was not pretty.  
 

When your players are missing tackles and getting their ass blown up 1-on-1 there’s little you can do to compensate as a coach.  

Oh man. The Bills have a top ten defense in every category overall but when they get to the final 10 minutes of games, they hover between 30th and 32nd (this is documented). That is all coaching. Stop drinking the kool-aid.

2 hours ago, BananaB said:

The only stop they made in a close game was Giants, and they kind of got rescued by refs there. 

Kind of?? That was blatant PI. It was a freaking joke that it wasn’t called. We can complain about Hochuli, and we should, but the NFL gifted us a game vs the Giants.

[JohnNord]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

Oh man. The Bills have a top ten defense in every category overall but when they get to the final 10 minutes of games, they hover between 30th and 32nd (this is documented). That is all coaching. Stop drinking the kool-aid.

I’m not talking stats or rankings.  Go back and watch the final drive against New England.  You’ll see players missing tackles and committing dumb penalties.  It’s not the scheme of the play calls that failed as much as it, the defense just playing poorly.  

[Pete]

On 11/27/2023 at 10:25 AM, HomeskillitMoorman said:

It’s McD’s specialty 

He’s the coach and D coordinator lol

[Nitro]

Teams know to keep it to one score and get the ball last.  McD’s end of game philosophy is old.  Can not give him up yards and put your team into a position to lose.  He has to stop being cautious overall. His zero blitz is done in desperation.