Not Applicable Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Let's be honest...that's what McDermott is. All the coaches we've criticized never had the talent McDermott has. Put Allen on the Mike Mularkey 2004 Bills - that team possibly wins the Super Bowl. Put Allen on any Jauron teams that went 7-9 every year with Losman/Edwards - those teams make the playoffs annually. Doug Marrone's 2014 Bills that went 9-7 with a lights-out defense and Kyle Orton - that team goes deep into the playoffs. Rex Ryan took Mark Freaking Sanchez to the AFC Championship twice. What does he do with Allen? Why does this guy continue to get credit for turning the team around when it's clearly a case of him simply getting a HOF QB by chance? How many games does his defense have to blow? How many more stupid timeouts? How many more? 23 2 1 3 8 2 4 11 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, Patrick Fitzryan said: Let's be honest...that's what McDermott is. All the coaches we've criticized never had the talent McDermott has. Put Allen on the Mike Mularkey 2004 Bills - that team possibly wins the Super Bowl. Put Allen on any Jauron teams that went 7-9 every year with Losman/Edwards - those teams make the playoffs annually. Doug Marrone's 2014 Bills that went 9-7 with a lights-out defense and Kyle Orton - that team goes deep into the playoffs. Rex Ryan took Mark Freaking Sanchez to the AFC Championship twice. What does he do with Allen? Why does this guy continue to get credit for turning the team around when it's clearly a case of him simply getting a HOF QB by chance? How many games does his defense have to blow? How many more stupid timeouts? How many more? I've been saying this for 3 years and have been suspended here twice for voicing my opinion on this bumbling moron of a coach....the biggest issue with the Bills is and always has been McDermott 13 4 1 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 His GM masterfully pulled a "Draft Day" to get Josh Allen. The QB 90% of Bills fans called "the wrong Josh."😂 7 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 It’s beyond obvious at this point. Without Josh Allen - McDermott is a culture guy whose culture unravels without winning and defensive guy, whose defenses rarely show up in big moments. 3 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Patrick Fitzryan said: Let's be honest...that's what McDermott is. All the coaches we've criticized never had the talent McDermott has. Put Allen on the Mike Mularkey 2004 Bills - that team possibly wins the Super Bowl. Put Allen on any Jauron teams that went 7-9 every year with Losman/Edwards - those teams make the playoffs annually. Doug Marrone's 2014 Bills that went 9-7 with a lights-out defense and Kyle Orton - that team goes deep into the playoffs. Rex Ryan took Mark Freaking Sanchez to the AFC Championship twice. What does he do with Allen? Why does this guy continue to get credit for turning the team around when it's clearly a case of him simply getting a HOF QB by chance? How many games does his defense have to blow? How many more stupid timeouts? How many more? 90% of what this team has accomplished is because of Josh Allen. Not because we have some great HC. McD manages to screw things up 10x more than he makes them better. 6 5 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 There's no way to know, but what would Jauron's record be with this roster? He went 7-9 practically every year with zero QB and a pretty pitiful roster. My guess? He would do a little worse than McDermott, maybe 10-11 wins each year but not much different. If that sounds crazy just imagine Josh Allen over Losman or trent equals 3 wins a season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Whaley and Marrone would already have a SB. No question. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 I would flip it. Jauron was a poor man's McDermott. I think young people are misremembering what Jauron was actually like. 4 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: There's no way to know, but what would Jauron's record be with this roster? He went 7-9 practically every year with zero QB and a pretty pitiful roster. My guess? He would do a little worse than McDermott, maybe 10-11 wins each year but not much different. If that sounds crazy just imagine Josh Allen over Losman or trent equals 3 wins a season. Yes, I think still a little worse. He may have actually ruined Allen. We don't know. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, Governor said: Whaley and Marrone would already have a SB. No question. Good lord almighty, NO they would not. We can criticize McDummy without pretending other bad coaches were good. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 13 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: His GM masterfully pulled a "Draft Day" to get Josh Allen. The QB 90% of Bills fans called "the wrong Josh."😂 Even a trash can gets a steak every now and then....are we supposed to ignore all the other bad decisions by him bc he lucked into josh allen? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Applicable Posted November 27, 2023 Author Share Posted November 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, Governor said: Whaley and Marrone would already have a SB. No question. 2014 Bills team with Marrone/Whaley/Pettine with Allen and Diggs would finish with a MUCH better record than this team will. 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: I would flip it. Jauron was a poor man's McDermott. I think young people are misremembering what Jauron was actually like. Yes, I think still a little worse. He may have actually ruined Allen. We don't know. Hard to say jauron was a poor man's McDermott when he didn't even have a homeless man's Josh allen lol 11 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: There's no way to know, but what would Jauron's record be with this roster? He went 7-9 practically every year with zero QB and a pretty pitiful roster. My guess? He would do a little worse than McDermott, maybe 10-11 wins each year but not much different. If that sounds crazy just imagine Josh Allen over Losman or trent equals 3 wins a season. McDermott isn't gonna get to 10 wins this season....hard not to make ten wins with a Qb like josh allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) On 11/26/2023 at 10:42 PM, Patrick Fitzryan said: Let's be honest...that's what McDermott is. All the coaches we've criticized never had the talent McDermott has. Put Allen on the Mike Mularkey 2004 Bills - that team possibly wins the Super Bowl. Put Allen on any Jauron teams that went 7-9 every year with Losman/Edwards - those teams make the playoffs annually. Doug Marrone's 2014 Bills that went 9-7 with a lights-out defense and Kyle Orton - that team goes deep into the playoffs. Rex Ryan took Mark Freaking Sanchez to the AFC Championship twice. What does he do with Allen? Why does this guy continue to get credit for turning the team around when it's clearly a case of him simply getting a HOF QB by chance? How many games does his defense have to blow? How many more stupid timeouts? How many more? This is so patently obvious to anyone who doesn't have blinders on. People make it look like McDermott inherited an expansion team. They were 7-9 the year before he took over. He won a couple more games than Rex with a creampuff schedule and that team was actually worse than the team before it by many metrics. They proceeded to blow up the roster and rebuild and then lucked into a dynamo at QB. McDermott would be back in Carolina coaching defensive backs if it wasn't for Allen. Edited November 28, 2023 by QB Bills 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Patrick Fitzryan said: Let's be honest...that's what McDermott is. All the coaches we've criticized never had the talent McDermott has. Put Allen on the Mike Mularkey 2004 Bills - that team possibly wins the Super Bowl. Put Allen on any Jauron teams that went 7-9 every year with Losman/Edwards - those teams make the playoffs annually. Doug Marrone's 2014 Bills that went 9-7 with a lights-out defense and Kyle Orton - that team goes deep into the playoffs. Rex Ryan took Mark Freaking Sanchez to the AFC Championship twice. What does he do with Allen? Why does this guy continue to get credit for turning the team around when it's clearly a case of him simply getting a HOF QB by chance? How many games does his defense have to blow? How many more stupid timeouts? How many more? This post could almost infringe on Beane because to your point, the thought of some of those drought era teams with Josh is a bit scary. I think we probably had more talent on several of those teams. I wish I could see Allen throw to a Lee Evan’s type once in my life. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 7 hours ago, Billever76 said: Even a trash can gets a steak every now and then....are we supposed to ignore all the other bad decisions by him bc he lucked into josh allen? Again. We have a team capable of winning a Super Bowl. Beane is why. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Again. We have a team capable of winning a Super Bowl. Beane is why. This is McDermott’s team. I’ve always maintained that. McDermott has the same power as Andy Reid. That’s been reported. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: This is McDermott’s team. I’ve always maintained that. McDermott has the same power as Andy Reid. That’s been reported. Yes it is. So now what? Did McDermott build this team? Did Beane? It's a good team but poorly coached in-game. Does this mean you can't keep Beane without McDermott? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 This thread is correct and interesting. What would this McD team look like without Beane grabbing 17? And what would drought teams look like with 17? It’s clear that McD is not the answer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 I'll never believe that Allen was the front offices first choice. It always felt like Darnold to me. Having said that, couldn't be happier with Allen and we have a superstar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Higgins hair Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) ….Maybe, just maybe when you consistently miss on early round players like Basham, Elam, Epenesa, and destroy the cap by signing aging vets like Miller, Tre and Poyer, this is what happens. ‘McDermott holds a lot of res, but Beane is no GM god. . Edited November 27, 2023 by Brian Higgins hair 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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