Beck Water Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Bad Things said: Imma Imma? https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=imma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) 5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Ive got some trivia for you: POINTS PER GAME: How many points PPG did the Bills offense avg in the final 6 games under Dorsey? How many points PPG did the Bills offense avg in the first 6 games under Brady? ANSWER: 20 for Dorsey, 28 for Brady. You know how hard it is to improve offensive scoring by 8 points? COMMON OPPONENT: JETS How many PPG did offense avg vs Jets in Dorsey's tenure? Who many Points did offense score in Brady's only game vs Jets? ANSWR: 17.5 PPG in 3 games for Dorsey going 1-2 with both losses to Zack Wilson. 32 Points for Brady with the starting offense sitting the majority of the 4th quarter in a blow out win. You mention about the defense not holding in a couple of games, however, you overlook how decimated the defense was with injuries and the offense was perfectly healthy in those games. YET the ONLY reason our D had to hold on a final drive was because our offense STUNK and couldn't score against some of the worst teams in the league. Dorsey was lucky to not be 0-6 in those final 6 games as we should have lost both the Giants game and Bucs games on the last plays, but those teams screwed it up. Meanwhile, Brady led offense helped this team go 6-1 over the hardest stretch of games of our season while Dorsey was 2 plays away from being 0-6 against the SOFTEST portion of our schedule. Brady still has a lot to prove, but there is NO QUESTION that Dorsey EARNED his firing and the team has been BETTER off with Brady at OC. How many points did the offense score against the Dolphin defense yesterday that was missing many of their most important players? Answer 14 How many points did we score against the Dolphin defense when Dorsey was the OC earlier in the season? Answer 48 What was our average points scored in the 10 games under Dorsey? Answer 25.6 What was the average points scored in the 6 games after Dorsey? Answer 25.14 Hmmm 5 hours ago, FireChans said: 6-1. Points scored in that stretch: 32 34 20 31 24 27 21 2 seed. AFCE champs. Bills rolling. Thanks Brady. See ya Kenny. See above. P.S. The offense scored 14 points yesterday. Did you watch the game? You guys are embarrassing yourselves with your agenda against Dorsey. I thought about posting to both you guys last night that under Dorsey we scored 48 against the Dolphins and only 14 yesterday against a Dolphin defense that was missing several critical players. I decided to be graceful and let you guys and all of us enjoy the win. You guys reveal more about yourselves in persisting with your agenda against the guy that was the OC of the second best offense in the NFL last year and did not deserve to be thrown under the bus by McD. I know how much you guys love to argue and get the last word in. You guys can say whatever you want in response. I am not going to continue to argue with you. Life is too short. In the meantime, I am going to enjoy the win and look forward to next week. God bless. Edited January 9 by Peter o 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 45 minutes ago, Peter said: How many points did the offense score against the Dolphin defense yesterday that was missing many of their most important players? Answer 14 How many points did we score against the Dolphin defense when Dorsey was the OC earlier in the season? Answer 48 What was our average points scored in the 10 games under Dorsey? Answer 25.6 What was the average points scored in the 6 games after Dorsey? Answer 25.14 Hmmm See above. P.S. The offense scored 14 points yesterday. Did you watch the game? You guys are embarrassing yourselves with your agenda against Dorsey. I thought about posting to both you guys last night that under Dorsey we scored 48 against the Dolphins and only 14 yesterday against a Dolphin defense that was missing several critical players. I decided to be graceful and let you guys and all of us enjoy the win. You guys reveal more about yourselves in persisting with your agenda against the guy that was the OC of the second best offense in the NFL last year and did not deserve to be thrown under the bus by McD. I know how much you guys love to argue and get the last word in. You guys can say whatever you want in response. I am not going to continue to argue with you. Life is too short. In the meantime, I am going to enjoy the win and look forward to next week. God bless. I don't agree with the personal attacks on brethren mafia. But I do agree that Brady hasn't been an obvious improvement as OC. It's been good to see more players involved in the offense. But our overall production remains about the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen65 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Thread didn't age well for the majority of posters. Throwing Dorsey out on his ass was the season saver, even though they waited way to long to do it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I thought firing Dorsey was the right move, but let's be honest the real improvement in the team since then has been the defense. They went from being literally the worst defense in the league by some metrics to being a top 8 defense. They went from stopping nobody on end of game drives to stopping everybody. That is the difference these past five weeks, full stop. The passing offense if anything has been noticeably worse and the run offense has fallen off badly after one amazing game. I'm still not fully convinced Brady is the long term answer, but the real solution is that we need to start investing in top tier offensive players. No more free agent dumpster diving. Surround Josh with elite weapons and let the defensive head coach manage with more limited resources. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 9 minutes ago, pigpen65 said: Thread didn't age well for the majority of posters. Throwing Dorsey out on his ass was the season saver, even though they waited way to long to do it. No it wasn’t. Had zero impact. Offense was better with Dorsey. What did save the season was the moves made by Brandon Beane and McDermott getting the defense back on track. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen65 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: No it wasn’t. Had zero impact. Offense was better with Dorsey. What did save the season was the moves made by Brandon Beane and McDermott getting the defense back on track. Lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 minute ago, pigpen65 said: Lol. At least make something up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 32 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I thought firing Dorsey was the right move, but let's be honest the real improvement in the team since then has been the defense. They went from being literally the worst defense in the league by some metrics to being a top 8 defense. They went from stopping nobody on end of game drives to stopping everybody. That is the difference these past five weeks, full stop. The passing offense if anything has been noticeably worse and the run offense has fallen off badly after one amazing game. I'm still not fully convinced Brady is the long term answer, but the real solution is that we need to start investing in top tier offensive players. No more free agent dumpster diving. Surround Josh with elite weapons and let the defensive head coach manage with more limited resources. Well stated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 In general, it may seem a lateral move. But Brady's stuck with Dorsey's system this season. The biggest change I've noticed is that Brady actually makes adjustments, while Dorsey would keep shotgun-drawing into a brick wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zag20 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: I thought firing Dorsey was the right move, but let's be honest the real improvement in the team since then has been the defense. They went from being literally the worst defense in the league by some metrics to being a top 8 defense. They went from stopping nobody on end of game drives to stopping everybody. That is the difference these past five weeks, full stop. The passing offense if anything has been noticeably worse and the run offense has fallen off badly after one amazing game. I'm still not fully convinced Brady is the long term answer, but the real solution is that we need to start investing in top tier offensive players. No more free agent dumpster diving. Surround Josh with elite weapons and let the defensive head coach manage with more limited resources. I have no stats to back this up, but I would say there have been more sustained, clock eating drives since Brady took over and there has been a little more emphasis on the run game. Defense gets a little more time on the sideline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 hours ago, Peter said: How many points did the offense score against the Dolphin defense yesterday that was missing many of their most important players? Answer 14 How many points did we score against the Dolphin defense when Dorsey was the OC earlier in the season? Answer 48 What was our average points scored in the 10 games under Dorsey? Answer 25.6 What was the average points scored in the 6 games after Dorsey? Answer 25.14 Hmmm See above. P.S. The offense scored 14 points yesterday. Did you watch the game? You guys are embarrassing yourselves with your agenda against Dorsey. I thought about posting to both you guys last night that under Dorsey we scored 48 against the Dolphins and only 14 yesterday against a Dolphin defense that was missing several critical players. I decided to be graceful and let you guys and all of us enjoy the win. You guys reveal more about yourselves in persisting with your agenda against the guy that was the OC of the second best offense in the NFL last year and did not deserve to be thrown under the bus by McD. I know how much you guys love to argue and get the last word in. You guys can say whatever you want in response. I am not going to continue to argue with you. Life is too short. In the meantime, I am going to enjoy the win and look forward to next week. God bless. I can’t believe you’re still defending Dorsey. You are either Dorsey or related to Dorsey. There is no other explanation. Seriously. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) 43 minutes ago, The Red King said: In general, it may seem a lateral move. But Brady's stuck with Dorsey's system this season. The biggest change I've noticed is that Brady actually makes adjustments, while Dorsey would keep shotgun-drawing into a brick wall. Playing complimentary football. 27 minutes ago, Zag20 said: I have no stats to back this up, but I would say there have been more sustained, clock eating drives since Brady took over and there has been a little more emphasis on the run game. Defense gets a little more time on the sideline. Joe Brady is game planning and play calling a more ball control, sustainable Offense. NFL evolves, Defenses were already giving the Daboll O problems before his departure. One dimensional, virtually no threat of a run game that's not Josh Allen. This team is much more balanced on O and harder to beat under Joe Brady IMO. 500 team before the Dorsey Departure. Winning 5 out of 6 going down the stretch through the hardest part of the schedule under Brady. Well rested high motor Bills D with half its starters gone. Edited January 9 by Figster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritishBill Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I think it’s possible for both firing Dorsey to be the right move, while also hiring Brady not to be the right one, long term. We’ve obviously been on a good run results wise and the offence has been more balanced in terms of run/pass. But we’ve not blown anyone out really, our stud #1 receiver hasn’t had a 100 yard game in the stretch, and our #2 receiver has had what, 3 or 4 of those games with zero receptions. kincaid overall has also been worse under Brady. on the flip side, Cook has obviously had a huge uptick and Shakir seems to be making his move. his numbers in his previous OC posts suggest that what we’re seeing is his norm. His offences historically have not put up huge points, and it seems even with the weapons he has here, that’s the same again. I’m not sure what the future holds, but I’d like the Bills to at least explore alternatives rather than default hand it to Brady. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) 16 minutes ago, BritishBill said: I think it’s possible for both firing Dorsey to be the right move, while also hiring Brady not to be the right one, long term. We’ve obviously been on a good run results wise and the offence has been more balanced in terms of run/pass. But we’ve not blown anyone out really, our stud #1 receiver hasn’t had a 100 yard game in the stretch, and our #2 receiver has had what, 3 or 4 of those games with zero receptions. kincaid overall has also been worse under Brady. on the flip side, Cook has obviously had a huge uptick and Shakir seems to be making his move. his numbers in his previous OC posts suggest that what we’re seeing is his norm. His offences historically have not put up huge points, and it seems even with the weapons he has here, that’s the same again. I’m not sure what the future holds, but I’d like the Bills to at least explore alternatives rather than default hand it to Brady. Fitzmagic, If thats you, You got my attention Seriously, the way Joe Brady has Allen actually checking the ball down because he knows how well it works. Its something both Daboll and Dorsey had problems with IMO. Myself personally, I'm interested in seeing what Brady can do with an Offseason to tweak the O. I think the mans got some innovative skills of his own. Along with a QB that can execute any play. Throw anywhere on the field. Edited January 9 by Figster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 hours ago, HappyDays said: I thought firing Dorsey was the right move, but let's be honest the real improvement in the team since then has been the defense. They went from being literally the worst defense in the league by some metrics to being a top 8 defense. They went from stopping nobody on end of game drives to stopping everybody. That is the difference these past five weeks, full stop. The passing offense if anything has been noticeably worse and the run offense has fallen off badly after one amazing game. I'm still not fully convinced Brady is the long term answer, but the real solution is that we need to start investing in top tier offensive players. No more free agent dumpster diving. Surround Josh with elite weapons and let the defensive head coach manage with more limited resources. I think the final 5 or 6 games the offense had collapsed under Dorsey. His "keep it simple and out execute them" approach had left us predictable and easily stoppable. While I accept the offense hasn't been perfect under Brady, and some of the issues that plagued Dorsey at the end remain (execution errors) Brady has done a better job at at creating plays with formation, motion and leverage. So taken from where they ended with Dorsey the offense is better and it has helped the D too by giving them more of a break. You go to some of those mid-season games and we were 3 and outting at an alarming rate. However, you are right the defense is the key. The middle of the season post the 3 big injuries the Bills were really struggling to work stuff out. McDermott looked out of ideas short of send the house every play and our execution was sloppy. They have turned it around. Even pre-bye in Philly I thought the defense was very good. They ultimately got beat by some really talented individuals making some high level plays late on. But schematically and playcalling the Bills won that battle even in defeat. Since the bye the defensive plans have been really good. Even on Sunday when they struggled early to get a beat on the pitch motion they adjusted 2nd half and shut the game down. In terms of future investment they definitely need to keep adding to the offense and I have long argued that the area where they need to make savings is the defensive line. They can't sustain an 8 or 9 man rotation where everyone is either a vet on a nice contract or a day 1 or 2 pick. Justin Zimmer is the only time I can remember them really living with a guy who gave them cheap production (suppose Shaq might qualify but he is very much the 9th guy of 9) and they need to be able to find another of those types.... draft a couple of DL prospects with all those 6th and 7th round picks we have... and divert that extra money to offense. That said they will need to bring in at least one premium DL and one premium safety somewhere this offseason. Whether that is through FA or an early pick. But they must also address wide receiver in that way. My strong view remains that should be their priority in round 1 (as I have thought it should have been the last two years) their issue in a really strong class is going to be how late are they drafting and who gets to them. What I really think they need is a guy who can be a #2 in 2024 but eventually has #1 upside. I slightly worry that the guys who fit that profile might be gone and you might be left with picking a proper #2 receiver type, which still is a need and particularly if we are picking later 20s might still represent some value. My ideal approach to this offseason is that they find a starting safety in free agency (I have my eye on Kamren Curl he would be absolutely perfect for this scheme and like Poyer and Hyde can play both center field and in the box) and that allows them to go WR and DL with their first two picks and then gives them the flexibility to target an offensive tackle in the 3rd / 4th because while Dawkins has had a very good year, and Brown his best year as a pro my long term concerns about Dion's viability as a tackle into his 30s with weight issues and the fact that Brown is a pending FA after 2024 means that is a position they would be well served to have some stock in the cupboard. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I'm honestly curious what kind of full offensive scheme Brady would implement given an off-season to do so. Remember that in the end he's still stuck running Dorsey's scheme this season. What we're seeing now might not be anything like next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 13 minutes ago, The Red King said: I'm honestly curious what kind of full offensive scheme Brady would implement given an off-season to do so. Remember that in the end he's still stuck running Dorsey's scheme this season. What we're seeing now might not be anything like next season. Yep, very true. Interestingly Brady's history is as a spread guy really. If anyone had more background in under centre / traditional pro-style concepts it was Dorsey. Yet Brady has used a bit more under centre than Dorsey did. I feel like he has also used more empty backfield than Dorsey though and when Josh was humming with Dabes back in 2020 I always felt like he really revelled in that empty backfield, 5 wide type set. The Bills were forced to go away from that in 2021 and 2022 because their oline was sooo bad. Now they are back to a 2020 like, pretty steady, offensive line I would think there is more scope for the empty stuff to come back in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 8 hours ago, The Red King said: In general, it may seem a lateral move. But Brady's stuck with Dorsey's system this season. The biggest change I've noticed is that Brady actually makes adjustments, while Dorsey would keep shotgun-drawing into a brick wall. Also, I think a huge difference is in demeanor and the way the respective coaches' have handled the players. I always attributed Josh's being "dialed back" under Dorsey to mandates from McD about not putting the ball in harm's way, etc. Same with Cook's benching for the first half of the Denver game because of the fumble on the first offensive play of the game. However, in the Jets game (Brady's first game as OC) we hear Josh exclaim, "I'm back!" -- and in all the games since it really does seem like Josh has been playing like his old self (both the good and the bad, as we saw in the Miami game). Also a couple of weeks back, the broadcasters alluded to a comment from Cook regarding Brady: Cook said was relieved not to have been "disciplined" after dropping that potential TD pass against Philly. Same thing Sunday night, even after dropping the TD pass against Miami, Brady showed faith in going back to Cook. By implication, it would seem that benching Cook in the Denver game was Dorsey's doing, not McD's. It just seems like under Dorsey, the players were possibly over-coached to the point of worrying too much about making mistakes -- whereas under Brady they have been much more loose and comfortable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 15 hours ago, NoSaint said: saints were a much worse team top to bottom and side to side. Talent on the field and in the coaching ranks were major issues. I don’t think it was just Carmichael- though I think Carmichael was awful. its not a great comparison. I agree with you in principle, but they did face objectively worse competition. Maybe it would have helped them fluke into a Wild Card Round beatdown 2 hours ago, The Red King said: I'm honestly curious what kind of full offensive scheme Brady would implement given an off-season to do so. Remember that in the end he's still stuck running Dorsey's scheme this season. What we're seeing now might not be anything like next season. Very much. The system Brady was part of with Burrow ran heavy 3 WR IIRC. The biggest change hasn't been with the structure, or even with the types of plays called so much as a better feel for the situation in calling them. It's really a question whether next season is adding wrinkles to what was in place or starting over from scratch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.