Fitzpatrick's veiled criticism of Dorsey?

[MarkKelso'sHelmet]

Forgive me if this has already been discussed elsewhere. . .

 

but in the Amazon halftime show, it seems like Fitzmagic gave a muted criticism of Dorsey, both the goal line call and running the bootleg (he had banged up his shoulder and it's the wrong call). "Let's take those nakeds out of the game" is the direct quote.

 

This should be brought up to McDermott. 

 

Fitzmagic for coordinator??

Edited October 27, 2023 by MarkKelso'sHelmet

[BobbyC81]

I have been patient with the offense and the play calls but I’ve finally had it with Dorsey.  4th down near the goal line and there’s Josh in shotgun with an empty backfield.  The following pass was actually close to being a pick six.  Ugh!
 

I don’t understand why you don’t have a RB in the backfield to at least show the threat of a run.  In that small space of the end zone, how many receivers can you really have out in that situation?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

7 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said:

I have been patient with the offense and the play calls but I’ve finally had it with Dorsey.  4th down near the goal line and there’s Josh in shotgun with an empty backfield.  The following pass was actually close to being a pick six.  Ugh!
 

I don’t understand why you don’t have a RB in the backfield to at least show the threat of a run.  In that small space of the end zone, how many receivers can you really have out in that situation?

It’s nothing new as Daboll did this all the time but Dorsey needs to end it. I get spreading out the defense but you can do that under center.

 

This has been a problem for a long time with the Bills at the goal line.

[streetkings01]

I thought the offense actually looked good last night. Offense looked way more creative……we shot ourselves in the foot a lot with penalties, the INT and Josh taking that sack on 2 and 1 after trying to draw the Offside penalty. Dorsey didn’t deserve criticism for this game……any criticism should go to McDermott for punting the ball 2x inside our 45 on 4th and short!

[4merper4mer]

1 hour ago, BobbyC81 said:

I have been patient with the offense and the play calls but I’ve finally had it with Dorsey.  4th down near the goal line and there’s Josh in shotgun with an empty backfield.  The following pass was actually close to being a pick six.  Ugh!
 

I don’t understand why you don’t have a RB in the backfield to at least show the threat of a run.  In that small space of the end zone, how many receivers can you really have out in that situation?

I’m with you on the third down play 100%, but the 4th down play was not on Dorsey.  It was on Josh.  You’re really blaming the IC for the QB missing a read?

 

Josh had a good night.  I counted three bad plays.  That was one of them.

[Xwnyer]

25 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

I thought the offense actually looked good last night. Offense looked way more creative……we shot ourselves in the foot a lot with penalties, the INT and Josh taking that sack on 2 and 1 after trying to draw the Offside penalty. Dorsey didn’t deserve criticism for this game……any criticism should go to McDermott for punting the ball 2x inside our 45 on 4th and short!

The punts baffled me.  Coaching  scared

[bmur66]

That was a thin veil.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

18 minutes ago, Xwnyer said:

The punts baffled me.  Coaching  scared

 He probably thought he was coaching smart. McDermott use to be one of the top coaches going for 4th and a few yards. Now he’s turned into Mike Tomlin.

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, streetkings01 said:

I thought the offense actually looked good last night. Offense looked way more creative……we shot ourselves in the foot a lot with penalties, the INT and Josh taking that sack on 2 and 1 after trying to draw the Offside penalty. Dorsey didn’t deserve criticism for this game……any criticism should go to McDermott for punting the ball 2x inside our 45 on 4th and short!

it was the best terrible day I’ve ever watched. 
 

Dorsey was the good husband that got caught cheating. The reliable employee that pocketed a couple bucks. You want to justify that everything was solid on paper but he had about 5 of the most ridiculous calls possible and 4 were in huge moments.

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

I’m with you on the third down play 100%, but the 4th down play was not on Dorsey.  It was on Josh.  You’re really blaming the IC for the QB missing a read?

 

Josh had a good night.  I counted three bad plays.  That was one of them.

that Josh was making a read is a fail there 

Edited October 27, 2023 by NoSaint

[strive_for_five_guy]

2 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

I’m with you on the third down play 100%, but the 4th down play was not on Dorsey.  It was on Josh.  You’re really blaming the IC for the QB missing a read?

 

Josh had a good night.  I counted three bad plays.  That was one of them.

The play that bugged me was the 2nd and short at end of 3rd quarter.  They’re up two scores, should be milking clock, and they rush to get a play in and Allen takes a 10 yard loss.  Did you get any sense whether that was a coach’s call versus Allen called that on his own?

[Bigantall]

McDermott is the main reason we're in this situation listen to his post game speeches he doesn't seem comfortable l don't think those guys believe in him 

[Royale with Cheese]

7 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

The play that bugged me was the 2nd and short at end of 3rd quarter.  They’re up two scores, should be milking clock, and they rush to get a play in and Allen takes a 10 yard loss.  Did you get any sense whether that was a coach’s call versus Allen called that on his own?

That was Allen.  The reason the DT penetrated and got through the line is because our OL wasn’t expecting a play.

[FireChans]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It’s nothing new as Daboll did this all the time but Dorsey needs to end it. I get spreading out the defense but you can do that under center.

 

This has been a problem for a long time with the Bills at the goal line.

Daboll let Josh run when spread out, which was basically back-breaking for defenses. If they spied, it was single coverage and bbq chicken. If they didn’t, Josh could look and pull it down if nothing was there.

 

Leave it to Kenny to call the same plays with a fundamental misunderstanding of why it worked lmao

[stevestojan]

The play calling on that goalline series is unforgivable. That alone should be enough to fire Dorsey. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Daboll let Josh run when spread out, which was basically back-breaking for defenses. If they spied, it was single coverage and bbq chicken. If they didn’t, Josh could look and pull it down if nothing was there.

 

Leave it to Kenny to call the same plays with a fundamental misunderstanding of why it worked lmao

Ken Dorsey doesn’t keep Allen from running. It’s a fun excuse. Allen can run whenever he wants.

 

Sometimes I think fans believe Allen is a Madden player and Dorsey is controlling him. Allen’s best running is instinctual.

Edited October 27, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[dma0034]

Imo on the 4th and 1 I spread and go 4 wide and have Allen in shotgun with an option with run being the primary.

[Wraith]

17 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

That was Allen.  The reason the DT penetrated and got through the line is because our OL wasn’t expecting a play.

Morse, not Allen. Watch that play again. Morse quick snapped it because he thought he had Tampa Bay in the neutral zone (probably did). Neither Allen nor the rest of the OL were expecting and let defender through the middle unblocked.

[Calidiehard]

2 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

I’m with you on the third down play 100%, but the 4th down play was not on Dorsey.  It was on Josh.  You’re really blaming the IC for the QB missing a read?

 

Josh had a good night.  I counted three bad plays.  That was one of them.

Josh had the right read for what the Bucs showed. The linebacker went with Kincaid in motion which shows man 99.9% of the time, its a speed out against a linebacker which Kincaid would have been in for an easy TD. As he got to the middle of the field the LB gave quick signal and we were snapping the ball. They changed to zone in an instant, or had it set up to look like man and were always playing zone. Either way it's a quick hitter and and great play call by the DC. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

2 hours ago, streetkings01 said:

I thought the offense actually looked good last night. Offense looked way more creative……we shot ourselves in the foot a lot with penalties, the INT and Josh taking that sack on 2 and 1 after trying to draw the Offside penalty. Dorsey didn’t deserve criticism for this game……any criticism should go to McDermott for punting the ball 2x inside our 45 on 4th and short!

I don’t get the criticism on punting the ball when your punter and defense has been on fire all night. Martin would’ve had 3 straight punts inside the 5 if not for the gunner Fing up. 

[BillsDad51]

28 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

The play that bugged me was the 2nd and short at end of 3rd quarter.  They’re up two scores, should be milking clock, and they rush to get a play in and Allen takes a 10 yard loss.  Did you get any sense whether that was a coach’s call versus Allen called that on his own?

That play bugged me too. After the sack Josh gestured like he was expecting a flag for Offside. I wonder if Bucs player jumped and ball was snapped to catch him in neutral zone. But the Amazon prime team never addressed it after commercial. But why get cute there? Run out the clock on the quarter and Bills start 4th with chances to continue the drive and put the game out of reach.