Scott7975 Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 6 hours ago, Ga boy said: In terms of QB style, is JA17 able to do like Aaron R by dropping back in pocket then forward as the rush gets pushed by him? I know he would have to be committed to staying in the pocket. It seems that stepping up would give him a second to see the routes. Do we have the OL to make this work? It might be easier for the lineman to direct the flow of traffic, rather than trying to overpower the DL. We have seen Josh have good pocket movement before. I think he wasn't prepared for the speed of the game and especially the speed of the Jets and that years of having a terrible oline has made him not trust it. I thought overall the line did a decent job against the Jets though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 Everyone saw the poor passing games from last year as defenses began taking away the deep routes. They found a way to combat against what was once Allen's bread and butter plays. This game is just an example of a great defense getting even better against Allen. Allen is going to figure it out. The WRs will figure it out. Dorsey will figure it out. I see people talking about the high/low route concepts, something that the Bills have been running every year since Allen became a Bill. And believe me, the Jets have been paying attention too. The Bills aren't the only ones watching film, studying tendencies. Me personally, playing the blame game isn't productive. Doing just what Allen stated in his press conference is. Learn from the game and correct the mistakes. The game of football evolves because it is as much of a chess game as a physical skill game. When the opponent changes strategy you adjust your own to compensate. This is the 1st game of the season. The Jets played a hell of a defense. Allen, the WRs and Dorsey now have film to get the job done and I have confidence they will do just that. It is not time to panic. Give me a couple more performances like this last game and I will start to worry. The overall theme of this tread seems a little over the top with the criticism. But hey, I'm just sitting in my armchair making observations. What do I know. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 7 hours ago, Ga boy said: Do we have the OL to make this work? It might be easier for the lineman to direct the flow of traffic, rather than trying to overpower the DL. That was how the scheme was supported to work last year. There was a video and article on it in which linemen were to funnel the defense giving Josh more time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsUberAlles Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) On 9/15/2023 at 5:28 PM, VaMilBill said: Our WR corps is mediocre outside of Diggs. I would very much be in favor of trading up to get Marvin Harrison jr next draft Seriously? Dude is likely a top 5 pick. Exactly how many first round picks do you think the Bills are giving up to get up that high? Edited September 17, 2023 by BillsUberAlles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 3 hours ago, Rockinon said: Everyone saw the poor passing games from last year as defenses began taking away the deep routes. They found a way to combat against what was once Allen's bread and butter plays. This game is just an example of a great defense getting even better against Allen. Allen is going to figure it out. The WRs will figure it out. Dorsey will figure it out. I see people talking about the high/low route concepts, something that the Bills have been running every year since Allen became a Bill. And believe me, the Jets have been paying attention too. The Bills aren't the only ones watching film, studying tendencies. Me personally, playing the blame game isn't productive. Doing just what Allen stated in his press conference is. Learn from the game and correct the mistakes. The game of football evolves because it is as much of a chess game as a physical skill game. When the opponent changes strategy you adjust your own to compensate. This is the 1st game of the season. The Jets played a hell of a defense. Allen, the WRs and Dorsey now have film to get the job done and I have confidence they will do just that. It is not time to panic. Give me a couple more performances like this last game and I will start to worry. The overall theme of this tread seems a little over the top with the criticism. But hey, I'm just sitting in my armchair making observations. What do I know. Get out of here with your level-headed takes. We are mad as hell and we’re not gonna take it anymore /s 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 On 9/15/2023 at 5:22 PM, 78thealltimegreat said: I don’t think Dorsey knows what to do Josh played a very good first half… had a rough second half…recovered enough to get them in field goal range to tie it. In OT Knox dropped a pass, called a draw on 2nd and 15, and then Josh threw on incompletion to Diggs. Then a Sam Martin line drive special. I agree with Kurt’s analysis these receivers don’t really make contested catches or fight for balls. Now Dorsey has admitted he didn’t want Josh running and limited his runs. Limiting Allen's runs are fine until it comes time to let that boy go....I feel it's being drilled into him to be a pocket passer and that simply is not Josh Allen....these coaches are trying to make josh into what they want instead of Letting Allen be allen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 On 9/15/2023 at 5:22 PM, 78thealltimegreat said: I don’t think Dorsey knows what to do Josh played a very good first half… had a rough second half…recovered enough to get them in field goal range to tie it. In OT Knox dropped a pass, called a draw on 2nd and 15, and then Josh threw on incompletion to Diggs. Then a Sam Martin line drive special. I agree with Kurt’s analysis these receivers don’t really make contested catches or fight for balls. Now Dorsey has admitted he didn’t want Josh running and limited his runs. Lol Knox pass was a drop? Shirley. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 29 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Lol Knox pass was a drop? Shirley. It went through his hands. The pass wasn't perfect but those types of passes are caught all the time. It wouldn't have been some amazing circus catch. Yeah, it was a drop. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: It went through his hands. The pass wasn't perfect but those types of passes are caught all the time. It wouldn't have been some amazing circus catch. Yeah, it was a drop. If it was a golf shot it would have been called a worm burner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 41 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Lol Knox pass was a drop? Shirley. Uh yes it was 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 It was a shallow and lazy route by Davis. He needed to drive the safety deeper and never did. And frankly who knows what Dorsey's route tree is? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 It’s interesting that Josh off schedule scrambles are beneficial to poor Coach and poor WR routes. Covers up other failure points. I think daboll used this designed qb rollouts to exploit defense. Ds started to lock down the edges but that just opens the center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 23 hours ago, newcam2012 said: I get that but you have to be somewhat concerned about all of his turnovers. It's more than a one off. Also, Allen is 0-5 in OT games as a Bill QB. I'm not sure exactly what that means. Elite franchise QBs have to be clutch and win OT games. This far, it appears Allen hasn't got it done. Is he really that clutch when the game is on the line? I always thought he was. Like most things in life it is never black and white. Allen has had sketchy pass pro from his line long enough that the clock in his head is off and the happy feet and pocket management is off. Allen needs to get the ball out faster, more under center play action on schedule throws, not dismissing open options beneath the sticks, and taking off when it makes sense to do so, but get out of bounds or slide... Most fans still believe we need Allen behind center playing the way we know he can. We don't want to see him lowering his shoulder and taking vicious shots for a meaningless 2 yards. His receivers and coaches could do a better job cleaning up the sloppy route execution. Not just poorly run routes, but we had two veteran receivers who ended up running one play where their routes ended up right on top of each other. That was a WTF coaching moment for sure as no way the play was drawn up that way. So better execution and attention to detail in practices. When playing those coverage shells it is all about the details. If you are going to take shots near or past the sticks, the timing and routes need to be crisp because you are hitting windows that open and close quickly. Go Bills! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said: If it was a golf shot it would have been called a worm burner. This is football and I call it a drop 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Bills Fan Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 And having a defensive guru as HC, those details: on how to beat a zone - should be drilled into those receivers on this team! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 25 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: This is football and I call it a drop This man makes 45 million dollars most NFL TEs would say yeh you should have had that one. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: This man makes 45 million dollars most NFL TEs would say yeh you should have had that one. How much does the guy that threw that make? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said: How much does the guy that threw that make? How much do you make for your nfl analysis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said: How much does the guy that threw that make? How much does Mahomes get paid? There was noone even around Kelce and it was so far thrown behind him he had to abruptly slide and reach behind the direction he was running. Still caught the ball. These throws and catches happen all the time. Knox dropped the ball period. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 On 9/15/2023 at 4:47 PM, Dr Krentist said: Maybe he's biased because he was a QB but he, not necessarily blames the WRs, but thinks they could have done more to help JA. Goes to show its the little things in every position that can alter or make a play. Can Kurt be our OC . I felt like the whole game we didn't try to push down the field, except for when Josh threw a few wing and a prayers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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