Buffalo716 Posted September 24 Posted September 24 (edited) On 9/22/2025 at 10:22 PM, LABILLBACKER said: I'd give a 3rd round pick for Aubrey. Bass or Prater are likely not here next year. While some kickers get drafted in the second or third round occasionally And even Sebastian janikowski went first round 30 years ago.. history says not a smart move if a GM wanted a kicker they would just draft one.. and it would probably be in the 6th 7th round No GM is actually going to trade a second or third round pick for a place kicker The expected value gained is not as high as the value given up 9 kickers over 90% 19 over 85% It's not like QB where there are 3-4 top guys... and everybody is searching for one In a league where there is 15 or 20 guys who can make field goals consistently no GM is trading a second or third round pick for a kicker Drafting a kicker in the third round might get you fired if it doesn't pan out On 9/22/2025 at 11:04 PM, BigDingus said: It sounds stupid, but given what we've spent 2nd round picks on in the past, it'd be a better use of the pick than most. 2019 - Cody Ford 2020 - AJ Epenesa 2021 - Boogie Basham 2024 - Cole Bishop 2025 - TJ Sanders I'd take Aubrey over any of those guys, though TJ still has a chance to be good. He's also not wrong how good it would be to add a kicker like Aubrey. I'm sure we can all remember missed FGs that hurt us in the past. We also wouldn't have to go for it on 4th so often if we knew Aubrey was back there to kick from anywhere. Would I prefer they could find a CB or WR? Definitely. But it's unlikely we'd find anyone near the top of their position like we would Aubrey, plus their contracts would be more expensive. I definitely wouldn't draft a kicker in the second round.. absolutely wouldn't trade a second or third round pick for a kicker 19 kickers over 85% field goal percentage last year... Sure was Sebastian janikowski draft in the first round 30-plus years ago? Yeah , dumb decision still That Florida State kicker drafted in the second or third round a couple years? Terrible decision Brandon Aubrey went undrafted.. most kickers go on drafted or go in the 7th or 6th round And there's 20 of them who are capable of kicking 85% in the NFL.. No GM is trading a second or third round pick for a kicker Brandon Aubrey realistically at the highest would be traded for like a fifth.. no GM would ever call up another NFL franchise and offer a second round pick for a kicker They would just draft their own.. because you can get a world class best kicking prospect in the sixth round Edited September 24 by Buffalo716 Quote
BigDingus Posted September 24 Posted September 24 (edited) Talks about the Bills throughout, but starting at 16:07, I think he makes a great point - Not about Allen's prime or whatever, but about the state of KC & Baltimore (and Bengals) + our schedule. The Chiefs won't stay this weak for long. The Ravens D won't be this bad for long. The Bengals will get Burrow back. This should be an all-in type year. Not worrying about next season or how to good our rookies might be in 3 years, but that there's a legit chance we could win NOW. And I see a lot of people on these boards talk as if we can be greedy... like dynasties are normal & that we could be the next one. How about winning just ONE ring first? If Allen gets is a single SB, he's automatically the best Bills player ever, 1st ballot HOFer, and hero of the franchise. He could retire the next day & still be all those things. So stop focusing so much on what might happen in 2026 or 2027 with rookie development, draft picks, contracts, etc. If the Bills can acquire pieces to help our terrible run defense (literally 32nd in the league), bolster our secondary, improve our kicking, etc. then they should go for it. Edited September 24 by BigDingus 1 Quote
Gregg Posted September 24 Posted September 24 Just now, BigDingus said: Talks about the Bills throughout, but starting at 16:07, I think he makes a great point - Not about Allen's prime or whatever, but about the state of KC & Baltimore (and Bengals) + our schedule. This should be an all-in type year. Not worrying about next season or how to good our rookies might be in 3 years, but that there's a legit chance we could win NOW. And I see a lot of people on these boards talk as if we can be greedy... like dynasties are normal & that we could be the next one. How about winning just ONE ring first? If Allen gets is a single SB, he's automatically the best Bills player ever, 1st ballot HOFer, and hero of the franchise. He could retire the next day & still be all those things. So stop focusing so much on what might happen in 2026 or 2027 with rookie development, draft picks, contracts, etc. If the Bills can acquire pieces to help our terrible run defense (literally 32nd in the league), bolster our secondary, improve our kicking, etc. then they should go for it. It will be interesting to see what moves if any that Beane makes before the trade deadline. This should be an all-in year. With the schedule the Bills should be heavy favorites to get the #1 seed. To not have to play on WC weekend plus have all playoff games at Highmark is huge for the Bills. They have IMHO the best homefield advantage in football. Quote
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted September 24 Posted September 24 15 hours ago, HappyDays said: I usually just scroll on past this stuff but this is the worst take I've seen in a while, from one of the guys that started Football Outsiders: In case you can't see the whole tweet: so...let's get this straight: having an OC call a balanced offense and not force feeding the ball to an aging diva can make QB play...better? 🤯 Quote
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted September 24 Posted September 24 15 minutes ago, BigDingus said: Talks about the Bills throughout, but starting at 16:07, I think he makes a great point - Not about Allen's prime or whatever, but about the state of KC & Baltimore (and Bengals) + our schedule. The Chiefs won't stay this weak for long. The Ravens D won't be this bad for long. The Bengals will get Burrow back. This should be an all-in type year. Not worrying about next season or how to good our rookies might be in 3 years, but that there's a legit chance we could win NOW. And I see a lot of people on these boards talk as if we can be greedy... like dynasties are normal & that we could be the next one. How about winning just ONE ring first? If Allen gets is a single SB, he's automatically the best Bills player ever, 1st ballot HOFer, and hero of the franchise. He could retire the next day & still be all those things. So stop focusing so much on what might happen in 2026 or 2027 with rookie development, draft picks, contracts, etc. If the Bills can acquire pieces to help our terrible run defense (literally 32nd in the league), bolster our secondary, improve our kicking, etc. then they should go for it. I mean, let's kick the tires near the trade deadline and see what we have and how much cap there is to work with buuuuuuut If you aren't going to push your chips in now, when are you going to? The AFC East looks terrible outside of the Bills. KC and Baltimore are limping out of the gate. Houston has fallen off a cliff. I appreciate what the Chargers and Colts are doing but can they keep it up? The Bills have what appears to be an extremely favorable schedule. If not now, when? 1 1 Quote
Gregg Posted September 24 Posted September 24 3 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I mean, let's kick the tires near the trade deadline and see what we have and how much cap there is to work with buuuuuuut If you aren't going to push your chips in now, when are you going to? The AFC East looks terrible outside of the Bills. KC and Baltimore are limping out of the gate. Houston has fallen off a cliff. I appreciate what the Chargers and Colts are doing but can they keep it up? The Bills have what appears to be an extremely favorable schedule. If not now, when? Agree 100%. This is the year to go all in. Quote
BrooklynBills Posted September 25 Posted September 25 On 9/24/2025 at 6:49 AM, dcinmuncie said: Nothing but pure speculation on my part but this has always been my theory. whenever something damaging is released about a first round prospect right before the draft, my number one suspect is always the team that drafts them. Trying to spook other interested parties If it was a team that did it, I think the likeliest suspect is the Miami Dolphins. 1. The Laremy Tunsil situation had just happened in 2016 which allowed Tunsil to fall to the Dolphins. Both Chris Grier and Adam Gase were running the Dolphins in 2016 and 2018. It was never officially confirmed who leaked the Tunsil stuff although most suspect a family member of Tunsil but it is easily possible that the Dolphins orchestrated it to have him fall to them. If anything, they would have learned the potential effects of such a scenario of leaking disparaging material right before the draft. 2. We know the Dolphins were looking to draft a QB in that draft. Alot of people had them linked with Mayfield. Mayfield was linked with many teams outside the top 5 looking for a QB (including the Bills BTW) before he would up going #1. It has also been reported that Gase really liked Allen in that draft. Quote
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