Dopey Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 8 minutes ago, 1onemangang7 said: lol, with the right back he can pay any waitress....his personal life is his, he'll take it out on linebackers. A qb taking on lbs is as smart as cheating on your girlfriend with a waitress and getting her pregnant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Einstein said: This is a strawman. No one is arguing that coaches should be fired for not winning a Super Bowl in any given year. But what if they go the better part of the decade, with a top 5 QB, and never even MAKE the Super Bowl? What about then? That is the def of strawman 3 hours ago, Dr. Who said: Your counterexample is also loaded and ridiculous, even if rhetorical. Expectations are measured by many factors. One of them is the quality of your team. Do you have a franchise qb, etc.? No one can plausibly expect a team without one to have much of a chance at a Super Bowl. Given the nature of the Bills, I think there ought to be an expectation that the team will do well and advance beyond the division round of the playoffs. I'm not writing off McDermott and Beane. I like them, but they will be judged by post-season success or lack thereof. Part of me just wants to see this happen and watch this team fall off into the abyss with no decent head coach just salute people like you can see what it looks like 3 hours ago, GoBills808 said: On average over 20% of those 31 HCs do get fired annually Not ones with 13 and three records Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1onemangang7 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 8 minutes ago, Dopey said: A qb taking on lbs is as smart as cheating on your girlfriend with a waitress and getting her pregnant. No argument but the guy plays how he plays. He can handle linebackers, let's just hope it's less frequent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 3 hours ago, section122 said: I'll ask for a 3rd time... what year should they have won the super bowl? Which year did they lose in the playoffs to an inferior team? They Bills should have beat KC. They gave the game away in 13 seconds. Many think they had a great chance to go to the SB and win it. No one will really know. The team looked pretty unstoppable. The Bills had a great opportunity vs the Texans. They choked the game away. They Bills had a great opportunity vs a crappy Jags team. It was a winnable game. They were totally outclassed and outcoached in the first KC playoff game. Yes KC was better but the coaches game plan was terrible. They should have lost to an aging Philip Rivers led Indy team. The team was outcoached by a country mile. A 100 yard INT TD saved the day vs a Ravens team. Last year they were fortunate to beat Miami. The Cinci game was a disaster. During the Bills playoff run can you think of many instances where the coaching staff, game plan, and game time adjustments awed you? Where they were difference makers? Where is the progression in the playoffs? You can spin it any way you want. The fact remains the Bills are 4-5 under McD in the playoffs. It's the way they have lost that's the most disturbing. I feel that the coaching staff hasn't put the Bills in the best position to win games. Look at Fraizer as an example. Look at Dorsey last year. Look at McD for 13 seconds. How can a Bills fans not be disappointed by the Bills performance playoff performance under McD? Especially, the last two years. The typical response is McD is learning and will improve. Give him time to shine. Maybe maybe not. It's unknown. I have six years of data to support my doubts. What do McD supporters have to support their thesis or premise that McD can get it done? I suppose it's hope and time because it's might be data. Based on your rational the Bills are very unlikely to go to the SB this year. Why? KC and Cinci by almost all football fans are superior teams than Buffalo. Superior coaching staff too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Einstein said: The difference is that Reid had already been to 5 Championship games and a Super Bowl by that point. BIG difference between that and McDermott. One was a lot closer to the goal than the other. That’s not the “ultimate objective”, as you stated in your post to 4merper. Reid didn’t make the afc championship game until year 6. McDermott made the afc championship game in year 4. Reid was in Philly for 14 seasons without winning one SB. Moving the goalposts to help you out? To you it was all about achieving the “ultimate objective “ and quickly. You made no bones about it. Now with just one example of many I could bring up, you change your tune to “he was close “. Yeah, he was close…FOR 21 YEARS. Wow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 HC for 6 seasons and 5 of those 6 in the playoffs with the last 3 as AFC East division winners. Arguably the best HC, GM tandem in the history of the Buffalo Bills After that Bengals playoff loss, so many Buffalo fans posting here are like little children that want their Maypo NOW...NOW, GDI NOW! Look at the very best head coach in the league right now is Kansas City Chiefs Andy Reid. For 14 years he was the Eagles HC and only went to the SB once and didn't win it in all that time. He did get the Eagles there in his sixth season. Reid has been the HC of the Chiefs for 10 years and he has yet to have a losing season. His team has been in the SB 3 of the last 4 years and won 2 of them. Amazing! This is the team that Buffalo must contend with to get to a super bowl. The Bills have beaten the Chiefs 2x now in the regular season so they have proven that they have what it takes. Just a matter of time. Good deal that Beane and McDermott were shown by the owners that they are not going anywhere! Makes me happy! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 it makes more sense to keep the band together than breaking it up 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Dr. Who said: Your counterexample is also loaded and ridiculous, even if rhetorical. Expectations are measured by many factors. One of them is the quality of your team. Do you have a franchise qb, etc.? No one can plausibly expect a team without one to have much of a chance at a Super Bowl. Given the nature of the Bills, I think there ought to be an expectation that the team will do well and advance beyond the division round of the playoffs. I'm not writing off McDermott and Beane. I like them, but they will be judged by post-season success or lack thereof. Indeed. The bar has changed but for many the bar is still low or too high. Depends on your perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Days Lois & Clark Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) After 17 years of missing the playoffs, I’m grateful to have the coach and gm tandem that has made them superbowl contenders staying here. Edited June 24, 2023 by Happy Days Lois & Clark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Josh Allen grew leaps and bounds from years 1-3… he’s been elite for 3 years not half a decade Three years of lost opportunities. Is that a fair statement? 3 hours ago, Airseven said: Agreed. His point was inane…completely lacking context and nuance. McDermott and Beane have been successful in Buffalo. I can’t imagine anyone debating that. But that doesn’t mean they’re the right fit to move forward. It’s one thing to improve from laughing stock to playoff contender. It’s quite another to improve from playoff contender to champion. This post should be framed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1onemangang7 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, newcam2012 said: Three years of lost opportunities. Is that a fair statement? Hell yes. That Phillip Rivers game he had a couple incredible completions to Davis to give them a chance. Maybe I'm biased cause I followed Davis through UCF and won't give up on him. I think it's all by-product of a weak running game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 hours ago, TampaBillsJunkie said: When you have a roster as talented as ours top to bottom, cap management is going to come into play, especially with a top 5 QB on his second contract.I think he's done a great job. I suffered through a lot of bad, bad years of Bills football and this is only the second time in my life where we've had a Super Bowl contender for multiple years. It's fun watching Bills football again. I don't think anyone disputes the recent success of the Bills. Indeed Its way more fun watching Bills games. That's a given. The real question is can the Bills progress in the playoffs, make a SB appearence, and win a SB. It's a realistic goal because they have Allen. No one knows the future. I'd ask will you feel disappointed if 10 years from now the Bills haven't appeared in a SB? Assuming Allen was relatively healthy and still the Bills QB. I know I will be disappointed regardless of their regular season record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: . Some are content with their HC. Like Pegula? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 46 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Part of me just wants to see this happen and watch this team fall off into the abyss with no decent head coach just salute people like you can see what it looks like I've been a fan of this team for over five decades. I'd like to see a Super Bowl win in my lifetime. I'm not denigrating the current regime. I'd like to see them succeed and nothing I said implied otherwise. In fact, I stipulated that I liked them in order to anticipate and ward off your kind of vehemence. If you think holding them accountable and expecting playoff wins beyond the Wild Card round is too much to ask, that's too bad. And if Sean McDermott cannot win with this bunch, the alternative is not fated to be a bad coach, even if out of misplaced Schadenfreude you would like to see that happen. Edited June 24, 2023 by Dr. Who Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: They Bills should have beat KC. They gave the game away in 13 seconds. Many think they had a great chance to go to the SB and win it. No one will really know. The team looked pretty unstoppable. The Bills had a great opportunity vs the Texans. They choked the game away. They Bills had a great opportunity vs a crappy Jags team. It was a winnable game. They were totally outclassed and outcoached in the first KC playoff game. Yes KC was better but the coaches game plan was terrible. They should have lost to an aging Philip Rivers led Indy team. The team was outcoached by a country mile. A 100 yard INT TD saved the day vs a Ravens team. Last year they were fortunate to beat Miami. The Cinci game was a disaster. During the Bills playoff run can you think of many instances where the coaching staff, game plan, and game time adjustments awed you? Where they were difference makers? Where is the progression in the playoffs? You can spin it any way you want. The fact remains the Bills are 4-5 under McD in the playoffs. It's the way they have lost that's the most disturbing. I feel that the coaching staff hasn't put the Bills in the best position to win games. Look at Fraizer as an example. Look at Dorsey last year. Look at McD for 13 seconds. How can a Bills fans not be disappointed by the Bills performance playoff performance under McD? Especially, the last two years. The typical response is McD is learning and will improve. Give him time to shine. Maybe maybe not. It's unknown. I have six years of data to support my doubts. What do McD supporters have to support their thesis or premise that McD can get it done? I suppose it's hope and time because it's might be data. Based on your rational the Bills are very unlikely to go to the SB this year. Why? KC and Cinci by almost all football fans are superior teams than Buffalo. Superior coaching staff too. KC and Cinci have better qbs. Especially during last year’s playoffs. I don’t think Mahomes or Burrow had being a baby daddy and fighting with his ex on their minds during the playoffs. But hey, he’s our great white hope, so he gets a pass and Diggs is the issue. You’re really complaining about playoff wins!?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 This place wreaks of BBMB trash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Dopey said: KC and Cinci have better qbs. Especially during last year’s playoffs. I don’t think Mahomes or Burrow had being a baby daddy and fighting with his ex on their minds during the playoffs. But hey, he’s our great white hope, so he gets a pass and Diggs is the issue. You’re really complaining about playoff wins!?! You serious w this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1onemangang7 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, NewEra said: This place wreaks of BBMB trash Discussion is getting better an here comes the new era hat guy.. gee wiz guys, tell me what bbmb means Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just now, GoBills808 said: You serious w this As a heart attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Augie said: Please! Do tell us more! Oh God no Augie, don't encourage the well connected Edited June 24, 2023 by Mike in Horseheads 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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