John from Riverside Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 minute ago, NC-billsfan! said: Never sign a questionable player on their last year. Like Shaq and endless other examples, guys in the last year of their contract are motivated. If he plays to get paid, probably gonna be awesome. Got paid, time for cruise control. I hate it, but that’s what I think. To be clear I don’t think that at all of her is going to go on cruise control from this contract I am more concerned on the trickle down effects of guys like DaQuan Jones, and poona Ford however Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 For those curious Kyle Williams didnt make a pro bowl until year 5. Oliver in his his first 4 years has 6 more sacks twice as many forced fumbles and only 2 less tackles for loss. Salaries have ballooned Oliver has been solid not elite. The contract matches and provides Buffalo flexibility. Buffalo could restructure both Dawkins and White and pay Hopkins 15 mil without using void years. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearstobills Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 10 minutes ago, DCofNC said: The team around Maholmes is superior to the one around Allen and Maholmes is Winning SBs, the Bills aren’t getting to them.. what’s that say? Are you sure about superior? Have you seen their WR room? No Mahomes No Superbowl. It's that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 9 minutes ago, PBF81 said: We're taking a beating in the national media. Doesn't seem as if a majority here support that amount for Oliver either. In either case, nothing I can do about it, he's signed, so everyone thinking it's great should be partying. Can you elaborate on the bolded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 3 hours ago, mushypeaches said: I legitimately did not see this coming. It feels like Beane blinked first knowing that he didn't have any DT's under contract for next year. Seems out of character I dont think Anyone did. Saw a bit on PFF with D line Coach saying he needs to be more cerebral. Thinking before the paly instead of flowing with the play. Which i found very interesting and a coaches black smudge on him so, super surprised. and that money Hoping Coaches know more than dumb ole me Go Bills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 10 minutes ago, DCofNC said: There’s a legit QB here now, I’d like to see a better team and coach around him so we can actually win a game that matters. I just feel sorry for you. That’s really all I can say. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 3 minutes ago, bearstobills said: I'm a Chicago guy. I grew up with Michael Jordan leading the Bulls. It took him 7 years to win a title. What you see as failure, I see as process (and not In McD speech). The Bills are 4-3 in the playoffs over the past 3 years, and got past the divisional round in 1 of those years. It sounds like you are planning to lose because it fits your narrative that we will ultimately fail. My narrative is a championship is on the way. I bet I'm right. I'm not planning anything, that's the coach's and GM's job. How can I plan to lose? And to insinuate that any single poster here wouldn't be ecstatic to win it all, I'm not even sure what to say. If we were to win a Super Bowl everyone on this board would be somewhere high-fiving and screaming their brains out regardless of what some posters think of them. We have absolutely no control over anything, even if we attend every game home and away. We'll see, but so far we've underachieved the preseason narratives, largely due to poor coaching in the playoffs. If that changes and if Oliver in this particular case becomes Quinnen Williams too, great. Bet what you want, but we won't know 'til it happens. To me, the single biggest tragedy that could happen to this team is another 6+ years of Marvin Lewis type coaching and team performance while Allen's the QB. Given our track record, if we don't win one with Allen I'd be the last one to suggest that Allen-like lightning strikes us twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NC-billsfan! Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 11 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Its 2023 we all realize the Guaranteed money is the real deal. By resigning him now Buffalo will lower his cap number this year. Paying a starting level player who is 25 less than top 10 money is a win. Its as team friendly as it gets. The cap has increased so these numbers hurt peoples brains but by the time his draft class signs his number will be 15th to 20th in annual rank. And that’s where I would rank him Average at best. I’m meh on this, I’d of preferred he played lights out looking for a pay day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 11 minutes ago, PBF81 said: We're taking a beating in the national media. The national media fluffed them up all last off season and we saw how that turned out… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 3 hours ago, Process said: The only good thing about having Oliver take up 10 million in cap space this year, was that it was a contract year and he may finally live up to his draft status. And then we let him go be a disappointment with some other team and get a third round pick back in return. So much for that. What are we doing? The perks of a McDermott coached football team. They let Edmunds go though ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 10 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said: Those are 1t nose tackles. Yeah, I’m not talking about position for say, I’m talking about tying money into the defensive line Since we give this massive contract to Oliver, what does that mean for DaQuan Jones and Poona Ford Just now, 3rdand12 said: They let Edmunds go though ?? Edmonds got straight paid way more than the bills wanted to pay. If Edmonds would’ve taken middle of the pack, middle linebacker money he might still be here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Just now, John from Riverside said: Yeah, I’m not talking about position for say, I’m talking about tying money into the defensive line Since we give this massive contract to Oliver, what does that mean for DaQuan Jones and Poona Ford I’m sure they could extend Jones again for another year… Ford hasn’t even played a down here yet.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 3 minutes ago, Mat68 said: For those curious Kyle Williams didnt make a pro bowl until year 5. Oliver in his his first 4 years has 6 more sacks twice as many forced fumbles and only 2 less tackles for loss. Salaries have ballooned Oliver has been solid not elite. The contract matches and provides Buffalo flexibility. Buffalo could restructure both Dawkins and White and pay Hopkins 15 mil without using void years. Wow. A smart/educated analysis. Rarity in these parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NC-billsfan! Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: To be clear I don’t think that at all of her is going to go on cruise control from this contract I am more concerned on the trickle down effects of guys like DaQuan Jones, and poona Ford however What do you mean my trickle effect? I do think otherwise for this particular player. I agree that some players are just motivated to win. I think others want a pay day. I got Oliver in the pay day category . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 3 minutes ago, Mat68 said: For those curious Kyle Williams didnt make a pro bowl until year 5. Oliver in his his first 4 years has 6 more sacks twice as many forced fumbles and only 2 less tackles for loss. Salaries have ballooned Oliver has been solid not elite. The contract matches and provides Buffalo flexibility. Buffalo could restructure both Dawkins and White and pay Hopkins 15 mil without using void years. Interesting, I would not have guessed that. When also you factor in that Oliver is waaaaaay better than Meatball at holding the POA, that paints him in a pretty good light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 I don’t care what the national media says about this they’re not the ones in the room Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 2 hours ago, Einstein said: I honestly dont know. I'm just saying, it's not like we haven't seen plenty of examples of front offices doing things the coach doesnt agree with. Part of me wonders whether McD is actually in charge. But in that scenario, does Beane approve of this deal? They've always seemed pretty aligned to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 5 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: Can you elaborate on the bolded? I have to apologize, I mispoke, I meant in the national forums and the like. Even on other Bills' forums the move isn't exactly being viewed optimistically. Even here from what I've read only a minority seem to think the signing was a great one. Seems like the majority opinion here is of the "meh" variety, "wait and see." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 minute ago, NC-billsfan! said: What do you mean my trickle effect? I do think otherwise for this particular player. I agree that some players are just motivated to win. I think others want a pay day. I got Oliver in the pay day category . Yeah, I don’t know that yet. Oliver was injured quite a bit this last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 minute ago, NC-billsfan! said: And that’s where I would rank him Average at best. I’m meh on this, I’d of preferred he played lights out looking for a pay day. Then he plays too well and they cant pay him. Like Edmunds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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